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Post by CellarRat on Jan 12, 2014 12:31:08 GMT -5
Your liberal friends are creating or thinking of new taxes everyday. Thanks for the tax advice, I have an accountant, and trust me I pay a good portion of my income to the feds and state, and I dont take kindly to folks that probably pay very little suggesting that others pay more - very convenient. Then they call the people paying greedy!
It is more of the mindset of folks nowadays. Kids think they are entitled to iphones. Parents think they are entitled to free health care, free college and a trip to disney. Lets be honest, it isnt free. Someone has to pay for it.
You have never taken free money? That is funny. You have never written interest off your income from your mortgage, claimed dependents, depreciated an asset or real property?
I could win a debate against you if I was on the wrong side - which I am not.
At the end, all democracies, or in our case a republic, that is continually being diluted fail because of folks that think like you.
I find the conversation interesting, it is just confirmation for me that evil still exists and that good people must remain vigilant.
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 12, 2014 15:27:19 GMT -5
Your liberal friends are creating or thinking of new taxes everyday. Thanks for the tax advice, I have an accountant, and trust me I pay a good portion of my income to the feds and state, and I dont take kindly to folks that probably pay very little suggesting that others pay more - very convenient. Then they call the people paying greedy! It is more of the mindset of folks nowadays. Kids think they are entitled to iphones. Parents think they are entitled to free health care, free college and a trip to disney. Lets be honest, it isnt free. Someone has to pay for it. You have never taken free money? That is funny. You have never written interest off your income from your mortgage, claimed dependents, depreciated an asset or real property? I could win a debate against you if I was on the wrong side - which I am not. At the end, all democracies, or in our case a republic, that is continually being diluted fail because of folks that think like you. I find the conversation interesting, it is just confirmation for me that evil still exists and that good people must remain vigilant. This is one of the things that bothers me about our side. I truly believe that most liberals have good hearts and have been fooled by the idea of the utopia. So it follows that they are not evil but rather have been fed a line of bull by the brilliant evil ones who are hell bent on creating a society controlled by a few (ahem) elite power brokers... |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 12, 2014 16:31:13 GMT -5
Your liberal friends are creating or thinking of new taxes everyday. Thanks for the tax advice, I have an accountant, and trust me I pay a good portion of my income to the feds and state, and I dont take kindly to folks that probably pay very little suggesting that others pay more - very convenient. Then they call the people paying greedy! It is more of the mindset of folks nowadays. Kids think they are entitled to iphones. Parents think they are entitled to free health care, free college and a trip to disney. Lets be honest, it isnt free. Someone has to pay for it. You have never taken free money? That is funny. You have never written interest off your income from your mortgage, claimed dependents, depreciated an asset or real property? I could win a debate against you if I was on the wrong side - which I am not. At the end, all democracies, or in our case a republic, that is continually being diluted fail because of folks that think like you. I find the conversation interesting, it is just confirmation for me that evil still exists and that good people must remain vigilant. This is one of the things that bothers me about our side. I truly believe that most liberals have good hearts and have been fooled by the idea of the utopia. So it follows that they are not evil but rather have been fed a line of bull by the brilliant evil ones who are hell bent on creating a society controlled by a few (ahem) elite power brokers... I used to think that as well, but when the liberals don't want to even admit that they are liberal, they are being disingenuous. Our president is not genuine, he pushes an agenda hoping people are sleeping while his administration does it. The left have more demagogues than the right and are pushing class warfare to "change" our culture. Of all the countries that needed change- it was not ours. Diplomacy is great, but the reality is no matter how kind hearted these folks think they are, the result or ends is evil. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 17:57:16 GMT -5
You have never taken free money? That is funny. You have never written interest off your income from your mortgage, claimed dependents, depreciated an asset or real property? I could win a debate against you if I was on the wrong side - which I am not. Last time I looked the items you view as free money were legitimate deductions under the law. I pay my taxes - every penny owed, not one penny more, and hopefully, not one penny less. Free money - can't even get my arms around a characterization like that. I can't believe you are that stupid, but then...... Your comment on a debate says that you are both on my side and it is the right side! Is your name Michelle as in Bachman by any chance? |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 12, 2014 18:32:32 GMT -5
You have never taken free money? That is funny. You have never written interest off your income from your mortgage, claimed dependents, depreciated an asset or real property? I could win a debate against you if I was on the wrong side - which I am not. Last time I looked the items you view as free money were legitimate deductions under the law. I pay my taxes - every penny owed, not one penny more, and hopefully, not one penny less. Free money - can't even get my arms around a characterization like that. I can't believe you are that stupid, but then...... Your comment on a debate says that you are both on my side and it is the right side! Is your name Michelle as in Bachman by any chance? Did not type it correctly. My point was that I could take the losing argument and still beat you in a debate. On this particular point, I believe I am on the correct and moral side. I understand nolesaint's point and he is right with regard to approaching and trying to convince people. But I am not a politician and most liberals have to have an ephinany of thier own to change thier mind. Michelle Bachman is a fine woman. I probably agree with most of her positions. I am a fiscal conservative, libertarian. Most tax increases suggested and implemented by president obama didnt hurt the rich, but hurt the upper-middle class. I just think the american dream is slipping away. I dont want life to be harder for folks, I want it to be easier. When government gets more and more involved it just seems like life gets more and more expensive. I think this is where we disagree. I dont think the guy that is a millionaire is my enemy. God bless him, I dont want to be a millionaire, I just want the government not to be involved in everything we do. The republicans play the same game, they are okay with taxing ordinary income higher than passive income. The lesser evil is the republicans since we do have some fair thinking tea party folks in that party as well as libertarians. I am not afraid to say I support smaller governemnt and lower taxes like the tea party does. If that makes me a wacko in your mind than so be it. Again very little facts in the arguments on this board from the liberals, just warm and fussy thoughts about making folks less responsible for themselves. Someone on this board was commenting on property and school taxes, I would add sales taxes and other regressive taxes that are passed mostly by liberals, democrats and alike, these kill the middle class, not the wealthy. Like I said I am not a dem or republican - I enjoyed the discussion. |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 12, 2014 20:37:43 GMT -5
Great video. I enjoyed viewing it again. Great president for sure. Here is a video for you: youtu.be/ax_9AQuDbPYAnother great man, thankfully he is still alive. |
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Post by th24 on Jan 12, 2014 20:53:01 GMT -5
No matter how you slice the numbers, the outcome is always the same: states that embrace conservative policies – low taxes, restrained regulation, free labor markets, a friendly business environment – consistently outperform states where big government carries the day.
During the decade that ended in 2010, GDP in the low-tax states grew by 20 percent more than in the high-tax jurisdictions; Population growth in the low-tax states was nearly four times greater than in the high-tax states. And the low tax rates didn’t exactly make paupers out of the states that embraced them either; those jurisdictions actually realized substantially larger increases in the growth of state and local tax revenue than did their more confiscatory brethren.
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 12, 2014 21:13:15 GMT -5
No matter how you slice the numbers, the outcome is always the same: states that embrace conservative policies – low taxes, restrained regulation, free labor markets, a friendly business environment – consistently outperform states where big government carries the day. During the decade that ended in 2010, GDP in the low-tax states grew by 20 percent more than in the high-tax jurisdictions; Population growth in the low-tax states was nearly four times greater than in the high-tax states. And the low tax rates didn’t exactly make paupers out of the states that embraced them either; those jurisdictions actually realized substantially larger increases in the growth of state and local tax revenue than did their more confiscatory brethren. Funny when I was younger I defended carter and criticized Reagan. When I got out of college and lived a little I realized the libs were way off base. That was over thirty years ago. Great post by the way. |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 12, 2014 21:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 13, 2014 5:30:13 GMT -5
I've stepped out of the discussion because it has dissolved into the usual party line babble. I wrote a pretty long-winded response and decided the discussion is worthless. All I will say is that you insult an ideology of wanting something better than what exists today. You do so with the ignorance of statements like government should be less restrictive of business.
The corporate world is the equivalent of a child. Without a strict set of rules they will do whatever they can get away with. Even with the rules in place they will twist poke and prod to get away with whatever they can to eek out one more penny of profit regardless of any potentially negative impact. If there is one thing I will never understand it is that sort of "less government restrictions" babble from Libertarians. If the corporate world had any sort of moral compass. .. The rules wouldn't have to be made law and then enforced
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 13, 2014 8:28:02 GMT -5
I've stepped out of the discussion because it has dissolved into the usual party line babble. I wrote a pretty long-winded response and decided the discussion is worthless. All I will say is that you insult an ideology of wanting something better than what exists today. You do so with the ignorance of statements like government should be less restrictive of business. The corporate world is the equivalent of a child. Without a strict set of rules they will do whatever they can get away with. Even with the rules in place they will twist poke and prod to get away with whatever they can to eek out one more penny of profit regardless of any potentially negative impact. If there is one thing I will never understand it is that sort of "less government restrictions" babble from Libertarians. If the corporate world had any sort of moral compass. .. The rules wouldn't have to be made law and then enforced Generally speaking I get what you are saying. It all boils down to needing balance - right? I believe very few people would disagree with that thought. Obviously the difficulty is striking it because there will always be crusaders on the right and the left swing the pendulum back and forth.... |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 13, 2014 8:59:38 GMT -5
I've stepped out of the discussion because it has dissolved into the usual party line babble. I wrote a pretty long-winded response and decided the discussion is worthless. All I will say is that you insult an ideology of wanting something better than what exists today. You do so with the ignorance of statements like government should be less restrictive of business. The corporate world is the equivalent of a child. Without a strict set of rules they will do whatever they can get away with. Even with the rules in place they will twist poke and prod to get away with whatever they can to eek out one more penny of profit regardless of any potentially negative impact. If there is one thing I will never understand it is that sort of "less government restrictions" babble from Libertarians. If the corporate world had any sort of moral compass. .. The rules wouldn't have to be made law and then enforced Generally speaking I get what you are saying. It all boils down to needing balance - right? I believe very few people would disagree with that thought. Obviously the difficulty is striking it because there will always be crusaders on the right and the left swing the pendulum back and forth.... i agree. It also takes an ability to step outside of your sphere of life. Most people find this pretty difficult. It is very hard for most people to look at almost any subject from someone else's viewpoint. The old... "walk a mile in someone else's shoes". This is why i always attempt to state up front that I dont have the answers.. wish i did... and why i think it isnt a simple fix of either cutting social spending, increasing social spending, cutting corporate taxes, increasing corporate taxes etc etc. It is also why I cant stand the tea party etc. or any other radicals right or left. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 13, 2014 9:00:27 GMT -5
Great video. I enjoyed viewing it again. Great president for sure. Here is a video for you: youtu.be/ax_9AQuDbPYAnother great man, thankfully he is still alive. trickle down doesnt work. hasnt and wont work. one of those "sounds good in theory" approaches. |
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Post by th24 on Jan 13, 2014 9:10:03 GMT -5
Saintsfan: Man you must LOVE goverment control, lack of freedom- and Obama! Q: How that U.S. economy doing now after 6 years of Obama? Especially when you compare it with Reagan's time in office!
I will add..that recently , U.S. Chamber of Commerce president and CEO gave his “state of American business” stating that the economy is failing because President Obama.
Secondly, President Reagan tamed Carter’s inflation, created 16 million jobs. Today, the present economy is weak. Until these last few months when the economy actually declined, we had been growing at 2 percent a year, the same low rate of growth France has maintained for the past 20 years. Even before the present negative numbers the economy was not growing fast enough to create enough jobs for young Americans beginning their lives.
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