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Post by glensfalls on Dec 7, 2013 19:33:40 GMT -5
If offered Siena is gone, no doubt about it bye bye MAAC.. You can bank on it! Oneindian..... The question is not whether Siena accepts but rather whether the the A10 ever invites Siena. If memory serves me, one or more posters on this site claimed last spring that the next A10 invite would go to Siena only to go to Davidson. Contrary to the talking points of some posters, the factor which will drive the A10 as to which school to invite is not home attendance but rather media market which falls in favor of Hofstra, Detroit, JMU, and others Time will tell ....... Best holiday wishes to all.
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Post by Tony on Dec 7, 2013 20:33:08 GMT -5
Not quite true glens Falls-- while media market plays a part--its only a small part- facilities, fan base , Media attention, program budgets etc will all be considered and in that light Siena is superior to all schools you list. It doesn't take a RPI professor to figure out Siena has the best facilities in MAAC- yet they are embarking on a 20 million dollar upgrade of their practice facility- why would they do that to compete against MAAC teams when only a10 and higher programs have those type facilities. But I do agree its all talk until/ if Siena gets a invite
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Post by IndianSaint on Dec 7, 2013 20:50:10 GMT -5
If offered Siena is gone, no doubt about it bye bye MAAC.. You can bank on it! Oneindian..... The question is not whether Siena accepts but rather whether the the A10 ever invites Siena. If memory serves me, one or more posters on this site claimed last spring that the next A10 invite would go to Siena only to go to Davidson. I thought someone posted awhile back an article where the media mentioned that Siena could get an invite to A10 due to its avg attendance/ arena. That would have more weight than what any of us posts.
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Post by IndianSaint on Dec 7, 2013 21:02:46 GMT -5
Oneindian..... The question is not whether Siena accepts but rather whether the the A10 ever invites Siena. If memory serves me, one or more posters on this site claimed last spring that the next A10 invite would go to Siena only to go to Davidson. I thought someone posted awhile back an article where the media mentioned that Siena could get an invite to A10 due to its avg attendance/ arena. That would have more weight than what any of us posts. I was wrong. The article I was thinking of was the new Big East might consider Siena because if it's arena: alloveralbany.com/archive/2013/02/19/even-with-home-court-advantage-siena-to-the-catholThen there 'a this one about A10: www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/378828-a-10-closing-on-davidson-siena-nextSo it's more than what us Siena fans think will happen, it's out there by the media that the A10 & BE might be interested in Siena. We just feed off those articles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 9:50:15 GMT -5
Man...it sounds like UPSTATE has an agenda- maybe he works for MAAC?! I don't think it would surprise anyone if the couple of people from this blog worked for the commissioner! I don't work for the Commish, I am the Commish. I never said Siena shouldn't move, I said it may not be as great a move as some of you think. The A-10 is dropping, no matter what some of you say. If the MAAC could be convinced to make improvements and change revenue sharing, it could be close to equal, with much lower expenses.
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Post by Tony on Dec 8, 2013 18:50:29 GMT -5
Man...it sounds like UPSTATE has an agenda- maybe he works for MAAC?! I don't think it would surprise anyone if the couple of people from this blog worked for the commissioner! I don't work for the Commish, I am the Commish. I never said Siena shouldn't move, I said it may not be as great a move as some of you think. The A-10 is dropping, no matter what some of you say. If the MAAC could be convinced to make improvements and change revenue sharing, it could be close to equal, with much lower expenses. Hey if the MAAC would go to revenue sharing and keep the tournament in Albany-- Siena would be crazy to move, Going to revenue sharing is what kept Gonzaga in WCC.. and that conference has thrived since--at one point the WCC and the MAAC were very similar type conferences comprised of small private schools -- one ( the WCC) went capitalist had revenue sharing .. and the rising tide lifted all boats-- it made the conference attractive so BYU joined and I think Hawaii next season .. the other was a communist( MAAC) and shared NCAA revenue no matter how much each individual team invested. SO even though Siena invested twice as much as say SPC-- we got the same return....really not fair if you think about it. Having said I stay if MAAC went to revenue sharing the the low budget teams in MAAC will never go for revenue sharing ..while it would be good for the conference, he would mean they pay larger dues for conference. And we have seen in matters such as MAAC tournament the MAAC presidents are incredibly short sighted
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 18:58:16 GMT -5
I don't work for the Commish, I am the Commish. I never said Siena shouldn't move, I said it may not be as great a move as some of you think. The A-10 is dropping, no matter what some of you say. If the MAAC could be convinced to make improvements and change revenue sharing, it could be close to equal, with much lower expenses. Hey if the MAAC would go to revenue sharing and keep the tournament in Albany-- Siena would be crazy to move, Going to revenue sharing is what kept Gonzaga in WCC.. and that conference has thrived since--at one point the WCC and the MAAC were very similar type conferences comprised of small private schools -- one ( the WCC) went capitalist had revenue sharing .. and the rising tide lifted all boats-- it made the conference attractive so BYU joined and I think Hawaii next season .. the other was a communist( MAAC) and shared NCAA revenue no matter how much each individual team invested. SO even though Siena invested twice as much as say SPC-- we got the same return....really not fair if you think about it. Having said I stay if MAAC went to revenue sharing the the low budget teams in MAAC will never go for revenue sharing ..while it would be good for the conference, he would mean they pay larger dues for conference. And we have seen in matters such as MAAC tournament the MAAC presidents are incredibly short sighted All I've been saying all along is, there are circumstances where it could be better to stay. Or to look somewhere other than A-10. Whether you believe it yet or not, the A-10 is dropping. They will probably get 3 bids this year, and if they lose 2 teams to Big East and bring in Davidson, they may be a 1 bid league as soon as next year. As for the MAAC, there are 2 new teams and the newcomers are relatively wealthy members (Quinnipiac has the largest endowment in the MAAC). 2 new voting members could help make changes in the league.
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Post by glen on Dec 9, 2013 10:14:10 GMT -5
U73 - the A10 is dropping a bit but the MAAC certainly isn't rising. The MAAC's problem is it is trying to be all things to all schools. A hoop league, a LAX league, a hockey league. The A10 is a hoops league period. All other sports come after. Heck, I'd argue with Marist, Quinny and Siena they're trying to start a D1 pollster league.
The MAAC will not change substantively because the league is happy with the situation. Most of the schools don't want to or can't make the investments that Siena has. They don't want it to become more lopsided than it is. Our down cycles are due to our own bad choices, not due to great choices by the other schools. Fairfield may be the only other school who's willing to make similar moves to Siena. Manhattan should be all over the Barclay's Center but I bet they play it safe and take a pass.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 20:39:51 GMT -5
U73 - the A10 is dropping a bit but the MAAC certainly isn't rising. The MAAC's problem is it is trying to be all things to all schools. A hoop league, a LAX league, a hockey league. The A10 is a hoops league period. All other sports come after. Heck, I'd argue with Marist, Quinny and Siena they're trying to start a D1 pollster league. The MAAC will not change substantively because the league is happy with the situation. Most of the schools don't want to or can't make the investments that Siena has. They don't want it to become more lopsided than it is. Our down cycles are due to our own bad choices, not due to great choices by the other schools. Fairfield may be the only other school who's willing to make similar moves to Siena. Manhattan should be all over the Barclay's Center but I bet they play it safe and take a pass. The MAAC COULD rise, was my point. Quinnipiac has resources and have been making a steady rise since jumping to D1. Monmouth has made a steady rise from NAIA to D3 to D2 to D1. They both have been held back by their league. They jumped into the NEC to avoid being independants. They moved up to the MAAC as soon as possible. To me, they are showing a lot more initiative than anyone here is giving them credit for. And with 2 new voting members, things could start to change in the MAAC. I'm not saying it will, I'm saying it's not as clear cut as most here make it seem. The A-10 is definitely dropping, while the MAAC could rise.
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Post by Tony on Dec 16, 2013 6:43:39 GMT -5
The MAAC could rise- but it’s doubtful, I actually like Quinny, they have good facilities and they spend. Monmouth spends like a NEC team or low level MAAC program Siena is now on a different path, Fr Kevin is elevating the program , we break ground in spring on practice facility, something no other MAAC program has and quite frankly isn’t needed to recruit against MAAC teams for recruits. The basketball budget – already 1st or 2nd every year in MAAC will increase tremendously over next few years . Again this increase is independent of going to A10 While money isn’t everything , it is an indicator of a programs commitment, in the MAAC SPC- Monmouth- Canisius, Niagara Rider and Marist ( all around 1.4 mil) Iona and Manhattan are at 1.6.. that’s a pretty harmonious group budget wise, facility wise – they will make a fine conference maybe they can add Wagner or one of the st Francis’s when Siena leaves. We can always schedule MAAC teams- I'd be open for 2 for ones with any of them Give those MAAC teams a chance to play in a arena
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 7:39:38 GMT -5
The MAAC could rise- but it’s doubtful, I actually like Quinny, they have good facilities and they spend. Monmouth spends like a NEC team or low level MAAC program Siena is now on a different path, Fr Kevin is elevating the program , we break ground in spring on practice facility, something no other MAAC program has and quite frankly isn’t needed to recruit against MAAC teams for recruits. The basketball budget – already 1st or 2nd every year in MAAC will increase tremendously over next few years . Again this increase is independent of going to A10 While money isn’t everything , it is an indicator of a programs commitment, in the MAAC SPC- Monmouth- Canisius, Niagara Rider and Marist ( all around 1.4 mil) Iona and Manhattan are at 1.6.. that’s a pretty harmonious group budget wise, facility wise – they will make a fine conference maybe they can add Wagner or one of the st Francis’s when Siena leaves. We can always schedule MAAC teams- I'd be open for 2 for ones with any of them Give those MAAC teams a chance to play in a arena Agree completely. The facility upgrade may not be needed for MAAC level recruiting but it would definitely be a major plus when Jimmy is talking to higher than MAAC level recruits. I really like the 2 for 1 idea but I'm thinking Ensor will counsel his teams to look for guarantees instead, LOL. The thought of not having to watch Ensor waddle around the TUC makes any conference move attractive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 7:48:49 GMT -5
The MAAC could rise- but it’s doubtful, I actually like Quinny, they have good facilities and they spend. Monmouth spends like a NEC team or low level MAAC program Siena is now on a different path, Fr Kevin is elevating the program , we break ground in spring on practice facility, something no other MAAC program has and quite frankly isn’t needed to recruit against MAAC teams for recruits. The basketball budget – already 1st or 2nd every year in MAAC will increase tremendously over next few years . Again this increase is independent of going to A10 While money isn’t everything , it is an indicator of a programs commitment, in the MAAC SPC- Monmouth- Canisius, Niagara Rider and Marist ( all around 1.4 mil) Iona and Manhattan are at 1.6.. that’s a pretty harmonious group budget wise, facility wise – they will make a fine conference maybe they can add Wagner or one of the st Francis’s when Siena leaves. We can always schedule MAAC teams- I'd be open for 2 for ones with any of them Give those MAAC teams a chance to play in a arena I'm not disputing anything you say, Tony. In actuality, though, Siena's facilities will also be better than the majority of the teams that will be left in the A-10, so I'm not sure paying a big exit fee and all the extra costs associated with the move would be worth it. I guess maybe I wasn't clear to begin with. I wasn't saying "just stay in the MAAC", I used that as 1 viable option, to say the decision to go A-10 might not be as clear cut as some believe. There could be better options. Nobody knows what will continue to shake out with realignment. Maybe SPC will get a call from the NEC and the MAAC can stay at 10 teams or maybe add 2 more decent programs. That would change the voting patterns and make it more viable. Anything can happen with realignment. I read something yesterday suggesting the Big East may add Gonzaga. How's that for odd? LOL. Spokane, Washington in the Big "East".
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Post by gorvy on Dec 16, 2013 8:10:21 GMT -5
Boise state was all set to join the old big east and then bailed. That decision might have sealed the fate of both entities as the big east diisbanded and Boise state coach Chris Peterson left.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 9:48:35 GMT -5
fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2013.pdfThe A-10 was 9th in conference attendance last year. # of the 4 teams that left were well above league average (Temple was about 50 below). New member George Mason was well below that average and next year's new member , Davidson, was almost 2,000 below it. Without games against Temple, Xavier, Charlotte, and Butler, most teams will see a decrease (dependant in a particular year on OOC games, but overall drops). With the big names leaving and attendance drops, the TV money will drop, no doubt. The leagues will be closer than many think.
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Post by billmurray on Dec 16, 2013 9:54:04 GMT -5
The leagues will definitely be closer, but the A-10 would still be better.
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