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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 30, 2013 11:06:52 GMT -5
4 freshman with Poole is the way to go. Mitchs kids can be the fill-ins while this young, but exteemely talented, group takes their lumps against a very challenging OOC schedule. I'd be happy with 12 wins.
papi said exactly what i said a month or so ago, we won't be favored in any game until the Hofstra game at home 12/23. that's pretty scary. So get ready for a 2-9 (hopefully) or so start.
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Post by th24 on Oct 30, 2013 11:16:20 GMT -5
The first 5 games should tell us something! I honestly could see Siena win vs Albany,St. Bonaventure and Cornell.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 30, 2013 12:01:54 GMT -5
Wilkin has us losing to the Danes by 17. Can I get those points and bet him a grand? What would Wilkins know about basketball. He 'a a horse wannabe that doesn't even know the ponies. I was so glad we (Siena BBall) didn't get stuck with him when Pete got promoted. Thank you Pete!!! I was so happy when Pete came in board as Siena's TU person. Too many years with Tim covering Siena without any enthusiasm.
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Post by Quackman on Oct 30, 2013 12:59:59 GMT -5
4 freshman with Poole is the way to go. Mitchs kids can be the fill-ins while this young, but exteemely talented, group takes their lumps against a very challenging OOC schedule. I'd be happy with 12 wins. papi said exactly what i said a month or so ago, we won't be favored in any game until the Hofstra game at home 12/23. that's pretty scary. So get ready for a 2-9 (hopefully) or so start. Seems to me that guys like Poole, Hymes, Silas, Oliver, Adu and Bispring were all considered MAAC level recruits when they were brought on board. With all due respect to the new guys, but aren't they all, collectively, considered to be MAAC level recruits as well? Personally, I get sick of new recruits being hyped and kids in the program getting (metaphorically) kicked to the curb after their freshman year. One of Tony's favorite cliche's involves the thought that college players make their biggest jump between the freshman and soph season. I'd expect a couple of the current 2nd year players to make leaps and be integral parts of any success the program sees going forward. (My personal guess is that will be Oliver and Bispring.) My guess is that the playing rotation will be: Wright Hymes Poole Long Bispring with Oliver, White, JO and Silas getting the majority of minutes off the bench. Adu replaces Hymes in the rotation (and Oliver replaces him in the starting lineup) until Hymes is back from the injury. Cole is the wildcard ... if he's eligible, he may be the starter and Oliver/White are fighting it out for meaningful minutes.
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Post by SaintsFan on Oct 30, 2013 13:09:08 GMT -5
4 freshman with Poole is the way to go. Mitchs kids can be the fill-ins while this young, but exteemely talented, group takes their lumps against a very challenging OOC schedule. I'd be happy with 12 wins. papi said exactly what i said a month or so ago, we won't be favored in any game until the Hofstra game at home 12/23. that's pretty scary. So get ready for a 2-9 (hopefully) or so start. Seems to me that guys like Poole, Hymes, Silas, Oliver, Adu and Bispring were all considered MAAC level recruits when they were brought on board. With all due respect to the new guys, but aren't they all, collectively, considered to be MAAC level recruits as well? Personally, I get sick of new recruits being hyped and kids in the program getting (metaphorically) kicked to the curb after their freshman year. One of Tony's favorite cliche's involves the thought that college players make their biggest jump between the freshman and soph season. I'd expect a couple of the current 2nd year players to make leaps and be integral parts of any success the program sees going forward. (My personal guess is that will be Oliver and Bispring.) My guess is that the playing rotation will be: Wright Hymes Poole Long Bispring with Oliver, White, JO and Silas getting the majority of minutes off the bench. Adu replaces Hymes in the rotation (and Oliver replaces him in the starting lineup) until Hymes is back from the injury. Cole is the wildcard ... if he's eligible, he may be the starter and Oliver/White are fighting it out for meaningful minutes. actually... i felt right along that the recruiting under Mitch disolved into "sign anyone who will say yes". Calling all of Mitch's kids MAAC level recruits is a bit of a stretch. Poole was signed under McCaffery. Mitch struck out and missed every single time when attempting to get higher ranked kids. Every kid he signed seem come to with some *. Not to mention being pushed out of the Siena recruiting hotbed almost completely unless you want to count Hopper. No offense as it isnt the kids fault .... but the talent level remaining on this roster was far from capable of competing in the MAAC.
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Post by Quackman on Oct 30, 2013 13:27:20 GMT -5
Seems to me that guys like Poole, Hymes, Silas, Oliver, Adu and Bispring were all considered MAAC level recruits when they were brought on board. With all due respect to the new guys, but aren't they all, collectively, considered to be MAAC level recruits as well? Personally, I get sick of new recruits being hyped and kids in the program getting (metaphorically) kicked to the curb after their freshman year. One of Tony's favorite cliche's involves the thought that college players make their biggest jump between the freshman and soph season. I'd expect a couple of the current 2nd year players to make leaps and be integral parts of any success the program sees going forward. (My personal guess is that will be Oliver and Bispring.) My guess is that the playing rotation will be: Wright Hymes Poole Long Bispring with Oliver, White, JO and Silas getting the majority of minutes off the bench. Adu replaces Hymes in the rotation (and Oliver replaces him in the starting lineup) until Hymes is back from the injury. Cole is the wildcard ... if he's eligible, he may be the starter and Oliver/White are fighting it out for meaningful minutes. actually... i felt right along that the recruiting under Mitch disolved into "sign anyone who will say yes". Calling all of Mitch's kids MAAC level recruits is a bit of a stretch. Poole was signed under McCaffery. Mitch struck out and missed every single time when attempting to get higher ranked kids. Every kid he signed seem come to with some *. Not to mention being pushed out of the Siena recruiting hotbed almost completely unless you want to count Hopper. No offense as it isnt the kids fault .... but the talent level remaining on this roster was far from capable of competing in the MAAC. Well, there is a difference between taking chances when signing recruits (Oliver's knee and Silas/Gomis eligibility are both in the category) and signing just anyone. I like what I saw out of Oliver/Adu/Silas/Bispring and am reasonably confident that at least 2 of them will continue to develop into solid MAAC players. Oliver/Silas probably have the most upside and Bispring has the chance to be a glue guy that plays major minutes. I am also excited to see what Hymes can do when he is playing off the ball, especially when he is playing with a pass first point guard who is supposed to have a great feel for the game. Having a junior who has played significant minutes on the floor with Wright will be huge. I am all for developing a geographic footprint from which to recruit and agree that mitch got away from it (probably out of necessity rather than choice)
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Post by basketballfan on Oct 30, 2013 13:37:06 GMT -5
Nolasaint....
GOOD POINTS!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 13:41:12 GMT -5
If Cole gets his waiver and Silas gets his starting spot back, we'll have just 2 frosh in the starting lineup and a well rounded team....with 3 proven double digit scorers. Hymes would come off the bench as a 6th starter. If no Cole, Hymes plays 35 mins a game ultimately I think.
That would give Siena more proven commodities than most of the bottom half MAAC teams.
I really think people are jumping off the Hymes & Silas bandwagon prematurely looking for the next big thing. Notice Silas, all of sudden, is back in the discussion for starting.
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Post by th24 on Oct 30, 2013 13:52:04 GMT -5
The one thing about these starting lineups- they make sure the players working hard! Nothing is given to them..and it can be taken away!
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 30, 2013 14:18:33 GMT -5
And for those reasons I would think everyone is happy. Even the players that don't make the starting lineup or the playing group because everyone had a chance to earn it...this is our team for the next 2 years...and I believe in them
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Post by SaintsFan on Oct 30, 2013 14:32:44 GMT -5
If Cole gets his waiver and Silas gets his starting spot back, we'll have just 2 frosh in the starting lineup and a well rounded team....with 3 proven double digit scorers. Hymes would come off the bench as a 6th starter. If no Cole, Hymes plays 35 mins a game ultimately I think. That would give Siena more proven commodities than most of the bottom half MAAC teams. I really think people are jumping off the Hymes & Silas bandwagon prematurely looking for the next big thing. Notice Silas, all of sudden, is back in the discussion for starting. ill assume that is bait but ill take it... no way in hell does Hymes play 35+ minutes/ game for the remainder of his career. I'll stand by my comments... if he does... Siena is in for a LONG season
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Post by SaintsFan on Oct 30, 2013 14:35:12 GMT -5
If Cole gets his waiver and Silas gets his starting spot back, we'll have just 2 frosh in the starting lineup and a well rounded team....with 3 proven double digit scorers. Hymes would come off the bench as a 6th starter. If no Cole, Hymes plays 35 mins a game ultimately I think. That would give Siena more proven commodities than most of the bottom half MAAC teams. I really think people are jumping off the Hymes & Silas bandwagon prematurely looking for the next big thing. Notice Silas, all of sudden, is back in the discussion for starting. Patsos is carefully crafting statements it seems to keep all motivated as others have intimated. Ill agree with other posters that he has probably narrowed his choices ... privately.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 14:56:39 GMT -5
If Cole gets his waiver and Silas gets his starting spot back, we'll have just 2 frosh in the starting lineup and a well rounded team....with 3 proven double digit scorers. Hymes would come off the bench as a 6th starter. If no Cole, Hymes plays 35 mins a game ultimately I think. That would give Siena more proven commodities than most of the bottom half MAAC teams. I really think people are jumping off the Hymes & Silas bandwagon prematurely looking for the next big thing. Notice Silas, all of sudden, is back in the discussion for starting. ill assume that is bait but ill take it... no way in hell does Hymes play 35+ minutes/ game for the remainder of his career. I'll stand by my comments... if he does... Siena is in for a LONG season Only if Cole is not eligible. It's easy for Oliver and White to move up when Hymes isn't practicing. Once the games start who do you think is most likely to put up 15 pts a night Hymes, Oliver, or White at this point? We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. The kid hardly ever misses when he gets to step into a normal ranged shot. It was rare but this year probably not so much. Silas' stupid brainfarts make him look bad early. But at the end of the day, who of the potential centers is most likely to get the rebound or the block? Silas. The coach can motivate and twist things all he wants. At the end of the day, we want Silas defending the basket the most. If he's playing with 4 ballhandling scorers, we want him out there. We desperately need his game this year with OD gone. JO is young and more offensive oriented. Bisping is stable and a shooter. Wolfe has all-around potential but he's thin and working out the kinks. But Silas has to be our defensive anchor. Our interior D will be totally different when he's not out there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 15:00:29 GMT -5
Wright, Cole, Poole, Long, Silas with Hymes playing starters minutes off the bench.
That's the best 6 we can put out there this year I think. That's our best all-around lineup. Good defensive starters, mix of driving and shooting,...most proven scorers.
If other guys move up to take it from them then all the better, but that's what I'd do. That's the 'starting' team that I think can be most consistent from one game to the next.
Need Cole though. Without him we risk major offensive inconsistency and have to think about more offensive options from the center position, it stretches out Hymes if Oliver and White are inconsistent, and the defense falls apart at SG and center..
We don't know what Oliver and White will give us from one game to the next on either side of the ball. Cole had a very nice steal rate last year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 15:19:24 GMT -5
4 freshman with Poole is the way to go. Mitchs kids can be the fill-ins while this young, but exteemely talented, group takes their lumps against a very challenging OOC schedule. I'd be happy with 12 wins. papi said exactly what i said a month or so ago, we won't be favored in any game until the Hofstra game at home 12/23. that's pretty scary. So get ready for a 2-9 (hopefully) or so start. Seems to me that guys like Poole, Hymes, Silas, Oliver, Adu and Bispring were all considered MAAC level recruits when they were brought on board. With all due respect to the new guys, but aren't they all, collectively, considered to be MAAC level recruits as well? Personally, I get sick of new recruits being hyped and kids in the program getting (metaphorically) kicked to the curb after their freshman year. One of Tony's favorite cliche's involves the thought that college players make their biggest jump between the freshman and soph season. I'd expect a couple of the current 2nd year players to make leaps and be integral parts of any success the program sees going forward. (My personal guess is that will be Oliver and Bispring.) My guess is that the playing rotation will be: Wright Hymes Poole Long Bispringwith Oliver, White, JO and Silas getting the majority of minutes off the bench. Adu replaces Hymes in the rotation (and Oliver replaces him in the starting lineup) until Hymes is back from the injury. Cole is the wildcard ... if he's eligible, he may be the starter and Oliver/White are fighting it out for meaningful minutes. It's BispingBrett Bisping Sophomore Forward #31 Morton, IL If you guys are so high on these kids at least give them the respect of knowing their names.......... Sheeeeez! Simmer down racer, simmer down.
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