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Post by greenandgold on Sept 3, 2013 17:50:13 GMT -5
I would love to see is this team play with a chip on it's shoulder this year. And prove all the f-ers wrong from last year. Go into every game with an attitude! View Attachment Very insightful.
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Post by diamonddog on Sept 3, 2013 18:02:38 GMT -5
His rankings are crazy...
Manhattan, Iona, and Canisius are about right
Rider is too high (7th-8th at best)
Marist is a little higher (4th)
Quinny should be up (5th)
St Peters should be up (6th)
Siena is the mix for spots 4th at best through 7th in my opinion.
I got a feeling this will be a great season because I love how the experts (including myself in an older post)pick our team low and they should be really good.
As Bart Scott said, "Can't Wait!"
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 3, 2013 18:10:36 GMT -5
Going is gonna be tough, I think a 500 year would be a great start . It's years 2 and 3 where I expect major strides. Don't be surprised if you see a 2 and 8 or 1 and 9 start. Tough schedule in the beginning w/ a really young team. They'll take a few knocks early and hopefully by mid to late season we see the frosh start to mature and get a win or two come the MAAC tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 18:21:39 GMT -5
No you would not be. I don't think 9th place should be acceptable to anyone. Mitch could get us 9th place. If patsos can't do better than that especially with Niagara and Loyola with new coaches we have a problem. I have news for you- had the program wrecker stayed Siena might not have won a single game this year. Make no mistake about it-- it will take a few years to straighten out the mess the PW left us in. I'm confident the program is headed in the right direction- team will be fun to watch - that's all I expect this year, anything after that will be a bonus I have news for you- it didn't take years to straighten out the mess Lanier left and there is no reason it should take years to straighten this out.
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Post by Tony on Sept 3, 2013 18:45:08 GMT -5
I have news for you- had the program wrecker stayed Siena might not have won a single game this year. Make no mistake about it-- it will take a few years to straighten out the mess the PW left us in. I'm confident the program is headed in the right direction- team will be fun to watch - that's all I expect this year, anything after that will be a bonus I have news for you- it didn't take years to straighten out the mess Lanier left and there is no reason it should take years to straighten this out. Fran finished 15-14 his 1st year-- against a very "easy" non conference schedule I’m starting to have doubts you are even a Siena fan—Lanier could recruit he just couldn’t coach, what was in the cupboard for Fran- how about a future first team All American and 1st team ALL ACC player in Jack McClinton, a future MAC PoY year in Al Fisher-( neither who played for Fran but both were on roster when he took over) future 1st team ALL MAAC players Haddix and Scoop Jordan, 2nd team ALL MAAC as Sophomore Kojo Mensah and two really solid role players in David Ryan and Tay Fisher.. do you really want to compare the above talent with what Jimmy inherited ? I mentioned this the day the PW was fired it would take years to repair the damage he did .. the healing starts this year- just don’t expect miracles
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Post by siena79 on Sept 3, 2013 18:49:13 GMT -5
No you would not be. I don't think 9th place should be acceptable to anyone. Mitch could get us 9th place. If patsos can't do better than that especially with Niagara and Loyola with new coaches we have a problem. I have news for you- had the program wrecker stayed Siena might not have won a single game this year. Make no mistake about it-- it will take a few years to straighten out the mess the PW left us in. I'm confident the program is headed in the right direction- team will be fun to watch - that's all I expect this year, anything after that will be a bonus I agree with Tony, we are way too optimistic about this team and if Mitch had stayed I doubt we would have won more than a few games this year. Mitch left very little, and the program was in total disarray. On top of that, two of his better players (Brookins and Burdine) were then kicked off the team and Martens left. Jimmy's recruits look promising, but let's face it, they are freshmen, and it is not unusual for a good looking high school player to not pan out to the high (and often unrealistic and inflated) expectations of the fans of the school they were recruited by. Even if they turnout to be good MAAC level players, it will take time. This is a very young and untested team, and some of the veterans that we have such high hopes for (e.g., Imoh) really haven't shown yet that they are even MAAC caliber players, let alone good players. Let's be patient and give this team time to develop and grow, Jimmy has a LOT of work to do to turn around the absolute mess that this team and program was in.
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Post by gosaints on Sept 3, 2013 18:51:56 GMT -5
I believe Siena will finish somewhere from 4th to 8th place in the league this year. This is the most depth we've had in several years and if we run and press the way Jimmy says we will I believe it will take its toll on some of the teams we play and we should be able to "steal" a few as the season goes on. A lot depends on how fast the freshman jell and how many can step in and pick up the slack when needed.
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Post by MTS on Sept 3, 2013 18:57:25 GMT -5
I have news for you- had the program wrecker stayed Siena might not have won a single game this year. Make no mistake about it-- it will take a few years to straighten out the mess the PW left us in. I'm confident the program is headed in the right direction- team will be fun to watch - that's all I expect this year, anything after that will be a bonus I agree with Tony, we are way too optimistic about this team and if Mitch had stayed I doubt we would have won more than a few games this year. Mitch left very little, and the program was in total disarray. On top of that, two of his better players (Brookins and Burdine) were then kicked off the team and Martens left. Jimmy's recruits look promising, but let's face it, they are freshmen, and it is not unusual for a good looking high school player to not pan out to the high (and often unrealistic and inflated) expectations of the fans of the school they were recruited by. Even if they turnout to be good MAAC level players, it will take time. This is a very young and untested team, and some of the veterans that we have such high hopes for (e.g., Imoh) really haven't shown yet that they are even MAAC caliber players, let alone good players. Let's be patient and give this team time to develop and grow, Jimmy has a LOT of work to do to turn around the absolute mess that this team and program was in. Better comparison to the job Jimmy has in front to him is maybe Hewitt instead of Fran. Marcus Faison was a great player but guys like Freeney, Fields, Cantamessa, Osinski and Deters excelled in Paul's uptempo system. Now the schedule (OOC) is better but there's no reason Jimmy can't turn the returning guys on this team into solid role players (or in Poole's case into a 2nd or 3rd team all MAAC guy). I'm not "expecting" a winning season and certainly not a championship this season but I don't think it's going to take "years" to rebuild the PW's mess either. This is basketball not football...the rebuilding (especially with Siena's advantages) should not take more than two seasons. I think we'll win a decent amount of games this season...13,14,15,16.. I don't know but it will be more than last and probably more than any of the last three seasons. Deane - NCAA year three Hewitt - NCAA year two McCaffery - NCAA year three No pressure on Jimmy but I think he'll have us dancing by the 2016 NCAA tournament at the latest!
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Post by Tony on Sept 3, 2013 19:08:33 GMT -5
No pressure on Jimmy but I think he'll have us dancing by the 2016 NCAA tournament at the latest! Hmmm 2016 is 3 years away- that's years One more thing—let’s be realistic. Just about every pre season rag will pick Siena anywhere from 6th thru 10th..with majority of them picking Siena 8 or 9—can Siena over achieve—absolutely, but kind of hard to “expect” given the brutal non conf schedule.. fans like you guys make coaches shy away from playing tough non conf schedules, because the quality of the opponent appear to be going over most of your heads.. we will face them with an inexperienced lineup ( other than Poole and Hymes - who half of you want to bench) and a bunch of untested freshmen-- which will pay off down the road, but will make for a "bumpy" road this year
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 19:40:39 GMT -5
Hymes does not need to start to be effective, He needs to be available. If he gets used up at the 2 Wright gets no spell and we are last year all over again. Everyone keeps talking depth yet I see depth at the 2 about it. Hymes will get 25-30 minutes. Benched means not playing to me, Hymes will play...............Alot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 20:50:36 GMT -5
I have news for you- it didn't take years to straighten out the mess Lanier left and there is no reason it should take years to straighten this out. Fran finished 15-14 his 1st year-- against a very "easy" non conference schedule I’m starting to have doubts you are even a Siena fan—Lanier could recruit he just couldn’t coach, what was in the cupboard for Fran- how about a future first team All American and 1st team ALL ACC player in Jack McClinton, a future MAC PoY year in Al Fisher-( neither who played for Fran but both were on roster when he took over) future 1st team ALL MAAC players Haddix and Scoop Jordan, 2nd team ALL MAAC as Sophomore Kojo Mensah and two really solid role players in David Ryan and Tay Fisher.. do you really want to compare the above talent with what Jimmy inherited ? I mentioned this the day the PW was fired it would take years to repair the damage he did .. the healing starts this year- just don’t expect miracles The non conference schedule being tough has nothing to do with where they finish in the MAAC. if anything, if it's as tough as you think, it should have them more ready for the MAAC. And it's funny you want to name players who never played for Fran to say he inherited more talent. Kind of a stretch, even for you.
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Post by musicman on Sept 4, 2013 0:34:10 GMT -5
Valid or not it doesn't make much sense to attack the parents of one of the players. She is entitled to her opinion and its fine to disagree with it but is there really a reason to attack her over it? Getting a talented player like Lavon you would think that fans would want to do everything to keep him and his mother happy, no matter how small of a task that it is. Please do not let one person's rude attack effect your judgments of Siena as a college and the basketball program. beautifully said.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 4, 2013 1:40:14 GMT -5
I have news for you- it didn't take years to straighten out the mess Lanier left and there is no reason it should take years to straighten this out. Fran finished 15-14 his 1st year-- against a very "easy" non conference schedule I’m starting to have doubts you are even a Siena fan—Lanier could recruit he just couldn’t coach, what was in the cupboard for Fran- how about a future first team All American and 1st team ALL ACC player in Jack McClinton, a future MAC PoY year in Al Fisher-( neither who played for Fran but both were on roster when he took over) future 1st team ALL MAAC players Haddix and Scoop Jordan, 2nd team ALL MAAC as Sophomore Kojo Mensah and two really solid role players in David Ryan and Tay Fisher.. do you really want to compare the above talent with what Jimmy inherited ? I mentioned this the day the PW was fired it would take years to repair the damage he did .. the healing starts this year- just don’t expect miracles Fran actually finished 15-13 his first year - and that was with David Ryan playing center because he didn't have a lot of options. Between what Patsos inherited and what he brought it, he has a far deeper team than Fran started with. Fran didn't have McClinton, nor Fisher as they never played for him. Haddix redshirted that first year after tearing his Achilles, so he was out too. Here's what Fran had to work with in year 1: Jordan, Tay Fisher, Ryan, and Mensah - Two stars, and two role players. He brought in Hasbrouck himself. It was mostly a 7 man rotation with Mike Beers getting some time. The rest of the roster was a joke - Osby, Diop, Braga, etc. where not division 1 players, Harris was a stiff, and just about everyone else was a walk-on. Turning to the present, Hymes and Poole are equivalent to what Jordan and Mensah were at the time in their careers. Silas, Bisping, Audu, and Oliver are more than equivalent to Fisher and Ryan. And JP has brought in a hell of a lot more new talent than Fran did his first year. You've got to be kidding me if you think Fran's first team had more talent than this current one can put on the floor. It's not even close.
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Post by Tony on Sept 4, 2013 4:21:12 GMT -5
OK—so Hymes and Poole are equivalent to Jordan and Mensah – so you expect one of them to be 1st team all MAAC and the other to be 2nd or 3 rd team—and out of Silas, Bisping, Audu, and Oliver- you expect two of them to average double figures?( similar to Fisher and Ryan ) hey if they do you are probably right .
Look Siena has some talent, but we are extremely inexperienced – we have two players that have played significant minutes at the D1 level. Our Potential starting Center hasn’t done much at D1 level, our potential starting 4—couldn’t play much on a bad team, our starting 2 is 5’7” and was one of the national leaders in turnovers. Our starting PG is a freshman, first few players off the bench are likely to be freshmen. Add it all up and Siena won’t be picked high in the MAAC or nationally - it doesn’t mean Siena can’t over achieve- but to expect it, is kind of tough. Saints face a brutal non con schedule and just about every team in MAAC has loads more experience. But hey to each his own, I expect a fun team to watch, that improves as year goes on, and puts us in position for next few years, and even that is in question unless a few scholarships opens up- the PW handcuffed Jimmy tying up so many scholarships – might not be what you guys want to hear but it’s the way it is
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Post by SaintsFan on Sept 4, 2013 5:23:47 GMT -5
To further tony's point...
The MAAC was WAY down that year. There were something like 8 or 9 teams with new coaches rebuilding in that year or the year before. Talent was down in the league the last Lanier year and Frans first year and that made Siena's performance under Lanier his last season even more frustrating. The schedule was pretty soft. They had some experience and talent at guard and of course a steal in Kenny. Ryan was cerebral enough to survive at Center. A lot of things were breaking in Siena's favor to turn the record around fast
Poole is probably not as good as a few players on that team and Hymes isnt even as good as Tay... who was down the list talent wise on that team. No one on this Siena team is as good as Hasbrouck. Silas vs Ryan... please. Fran was left more that fit his system than Patsos is left now
Lanier knew talent. Mitch knew nothing.
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