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Post by greengold4ever on Apr 5, 2024 10:49:53 GMT -5
ok, devils advocate here.............all of this you point out is true, but at the end of the day, are all these athletes playing some kind of pro ball, and for how long?..........and if so when that type of career is over, then what happens?........are the countless # of student athletes that have transferred multiple times to different schools even have a degree?.........does the NCAA even care about that?..........just saying........ All you points are valid too. Current system has a lot of flaws that need to be addressed. Seems that amateur status in college athletics is dead. AND something I stated on here quite awhile ago when this "pay for play" NIL came about............many on here do not like when a player is called out on the carpet for poor play and/or attitude..........but listen when you get paid then you are subject to the criticism which can be out in the open including in the media.......can't coddle the paid athlete anymore, it is just the way it is........can't use the excuse these are "just kids" anymore...........
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Post by saints15 on Apr 5, 2024 10:57:31 GMT -5
ok, devils advocate here.............all of this you point out is true, but at the end of the day, are all these athletes playing some kind of pro ball, and for how long?..........and if so when that type of career is over, then what happens?........are the countless # of student athletes that have transferred multiple times to different schools even have a degree?.........does the NCAA even care about that?..........just saying........ All you points are valid too. Current system has a lot of flaws that need to be addressed. Seems that amateur status in college athletics is dead. Agree 100%…at least for the major sports in D1. Which is why I’ve said for months players should just sign contracts for committed length (1-4 years) and build the NIL dollars right into the agreements. If they have a longer term deal, and transfer, they have to sit till the term runs out. Then at least a coach has some degree of roster certainty and can recruit accordingly. The players then have to decide if they want security (more years) or flexibility (shorter term agreements) and have to stick to those commitments, just like the pros do.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 5, 2024 11:13:30 GMT -5
Each kid should get only 1 "no sit" transfer. Thats it. Trust me that "make em sit a year" rule being put back in place will slow down all the jumping.
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Javian
Apr 5, 2024 11:30:11 GMT -5
Post by greengold4ever on Apr 5, 2024 11:30:11 GMT -5
Each kid should get only 1 "no sit" transfer. Thats it. Trust me that "make em sit a year" rule being put back in place will slow down all the jumping. absolutely...............and a "limit" on the amount of NIL as well............this way you can somewhat try to level the playing field............
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Apr 5, 2024 11:34:54 GMT -5
Post by glen on Apr 5, 2024 11:34:54 GMT -5
Oh, great, a salary cap in college hoop :-)
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Apr 5, 2024 12:13:32 GMT -5
Post by musicman on Apr 5, 2024 12:13:32 GMT -5
All you points are valid too. Current system has a lot of flaws that need to be addressed. Seems that amateur status in college athletics is dead. Agree 100%…at least for the major sports in D1. Which is why I’ve said for months players should just sign contracts for committed length (1-4 years) and build the NIL dollars right into the agreements. If they have a longer term deal, and transfer, they have to sit till the term runs out. Then at least a coach has some degree of roster certainty and can recruit accordingly. The players then have to decide if they want security (more years) or flexibility (shorter term agreements) and have to stick to those commitments, just like the pros do. I think this is a tremendous idea. Accountability.
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Apr 5, 2024 12:14:56 GMT -5
Post by musicman on Apr 5, 2024 12:14:56 GMT -5
Each kid should get only 1 "no sit" transfer. Thats it. Trust me that "make em sit a year" rule being put back in place will slow down all the jumping. absolutely...............and a "limit" on the amount of NIL as well............this way you can somewhat try to level the playing field............ Another great idea.
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Javian
Apr 5, 2024 13:15:42 GMT -5
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Post by Papi on Apr 5, 2024 13:15:42 GMT -5
In order to see winning again the Saints will have to out spend others for one year players. If you want to win that's what you have to do, don't complain about it embrace it and watch the results. If Adam W. is on board it's going to be a great ride for as long as he's funding the NIL.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 5, 2024 13:22:32 GMT -5
limiting the NIL would not likely fly in the courts and the courts are what got us here in the first place. The NCAA lost control of this a long time ago and the genie is out of the bottle. The NBA wants to set up a minor league system like the Euro model and have it separate from the College game. That will attract the one and done players, maybe if they set a player employment contract system with an agreed upon pay scale approved by the players union then the college game can try to develop a contract system that mirrors the accepted pro system with a pay scale. But with the unionization of the college game already approved that pay scale would have to be negotiated as well. Isn't it great to live in a democratic, market driven and litigious America. The answer to that is yes because the alternative is much worse. But this is really messy.
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Apr 5, 2024 13:23:57 GMT -5
Post by greengold4ever on Apr 5, 2024 13:23:57 GMT -5
In order to see winning again the Saints will have to out spend others for one year players. If you want to win that's what you have to do, don't complain about it embrace it and watch the results. If Adam W. is on board it's going to be a great ride for as long as he's funding the NIL. look you are not wrong.............but supposedly Iona has spent a ton, way more than Siena did last year and look where they finished in the standings plus below .500.........I don't recall seeing them in the NCAA tournament this March, so just "spending" alot of money doesn't always guarantee you anything, we see that in pro sports all the time...........it certainly will help but don't be fooled that all it takes is money, not the case............
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Apr 5, 2024 13:27:45 GMT -5
Post by billmurray on Apr 5, 2024 13:27:45 GMT -5
In order to see winning again the Saints will have to out spend others for one year players. If you want to win that's what you have to do, don't complain about it embrace it and watch the results. If Adam W. is on board it's going to be a great ride for as long as he's funding the NIL. I doubt he is going to fund Siena at the level he did at Syracuse. If he does great, but I don't expect he is putting that level of funding into SaintsMarchOn. Union College just go another $40 million from a couple that had given the $51 million a few years ago. Where are those Siena alums? Just slip the odd million of that donation in to SaintsMarchOn and we're good to go.
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Apr 5, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by sienabkenny on Apr 5, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
limiting the NIL would not likely fly in the courts and the courts are what got us here in the first place. The NCAA lost control of this a long time ago and the genie is out of the bottle. The NBA wants to set up a minor league system like the Euro model and have it separate from the College game. That will attract the one and done players, maybe if they set a player employment contract system with an agreed upon pay scale approved by the players union then the college game can try to develop a contract system that mirrors the accepted pro system with a pay scale. But with the unionization of the college game already approved that pay scale would have to be negotiated as well. Isn't it great to live in a democratic, market driven and litigious America. The answer to that is yes because the alternative is much worse. But this is really messy. The NBA is stopping the G League ignite team because they don’t want to compete with the NIL collectives for 1 and done kids.
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Apr 5, 2024 13:42:26 GMT -5
Post by billmurray on Apr 5, 2024 13:42:26 GMT -5
limiting the NIL would not likely fly in the courts and the courts are what got us here in the first place. The NCAA lost control of this a long time ago and the genie is out of the bottle. The NBA wants to set up a minor league system like the Euro model and have it separate from the College game. That will attract the one and done players, maybe if they set a player employment contract system with an agreed upon pay scale approved by the players union then the college game can try to develop a contract system that mirrors the accepted pro system with a pay scale. But with the unionization of the college game already approved that pay scale would have to be negotiated as well. Isn't it great to live in a democratic, market driven and litigious America. The answer to that is yes because the alternative is much worse. But this is really messy. The NBA is stopping the G League ignite team because they don’t want to compete with the NIL collectives for 1 and done kids. The fact that the Ignite was getting hammered by the regular G league teams affiliated with NBA teams and filled with older players may be a factor. All I can tell you is that the NBA is considering the Euro league system where pro teams have U20 teams that compete against each other with the best players moving up to the parent team and the really exceptional players moving on to the NBA. Some players on the U20 teams are paid and some maintain "amateur" status. Tekin was an amateur player for a lower lever Euro team.
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Apr 5, 2024 13:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by sienabkenny on Apr 5, 2024 13:51:36 GMT -5
The NBA is stopping the G League ignite team because they don’t want to compete with the NIL collectives for 1 and done kids. All I can tell you is that the NBA is considering the Euro league system where pro teams have U20 teams that compete against each other with the best players moving up to the parent team and the really exceptional players moving on to the NBA. Some players on the U20 teams are paid and some maintain "amateur" status. Tekin was an amateur player for a lower lever Euro team. Well for the time being they’ve vacated the space completely. Hard to believe they can overhaul the entire system if they didn’t succeed with one team.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 5, 2024 13:59:46 GMT -5
All I can tell you is that the NBA is considering the Euro league system where pro teams have U20 teams that compete against each other with the best players moving up to the parent team and the really exceptional players moving on to the NBA. Some players on the U20 teams are paid and some maintain "amateur" status. Tekin was an amateur player for a lower lever Euro team. Well for the time being they’ve vacated the space completely. Hard to believe they can overhaul the entire system if they didn’t succeed with one team. - see my edit to my original comment. The Ignite team made up of younger player was non-competitive in the regular G-League, winning only 2 games so far. The system they are considering would be a separate league of younger players competing against each other and not the men in the other G-league teams. If the Ignite is eliminated the players will likely be assigned to the other teams in the G-league where they will have to compete for PT with the guys that were hammering them each night. It's like Carm playing HS walk-ons vs college ready players. The Ignite were overmatched each night.
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