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Post by npg on Dec 8, 2019 8:14:39 GMT -5
I think the schedule they have played is one part of the problem. IMO there have been too few games over a long stretch and the team can't get in sync. Combine that with a rookie head coach who maybe in over his head right now is a big problem. He stands on sideline with his arms folded across his chest and shows little emotion. The last coach who did that was Mitch. Good assistant but couldn't be be the main guy. Now another 2 weeks off with exams coming up but coach needs to figure this out and soon. As others pointed out, mix up defenses, try different players. Try something because what he is doing now is simply not working. Or is something else going on? JP said it was maybe good to get away because of distractions including himself. What does that mean? A team that's not a team and it's every guy for himself??
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 8, 2019 8:22:41 GMT -5
So just to clarify, you are saying, the loss is because of everyone but Jimmy Ratliff? Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. It’s the entire teams fault. Everyone. Not just one or two players fault. One or two players didn’t shoot 27-65. You blame the team for not playing well and you move on from that. Long season still. Finally a voice of reason on this board. Like I said yesterday about this 4 road game stretch, there were a multitude of reasons for losses, not one player, not one shot, not one foul, not one play, not one coaching decision. It’s always a culmination of events or lack there of....team/staff laid an egg in Ca. Team needs to get home regroup and figure this out. We have many issues. Chemistry between players and staff looks sideways. This needs to be fixed we aren’t particularly deep or talented and have a small margin for error. These losses have been on the entire team & staff. It’s a team game. I know we’ve sucked for a decade & people are anxious to win but expectations here by some are always out of kilter and always lead to disappointment. This place is too high with wins and too low with losses Some of these posts above are just freakin’ comical.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 8, 2019 8:29:08 GMT -5
This team doesn’t have a leader and plays with very little passion. Cal Poly is a very bad team. Pickett plays like he’s a role player either by design, the coach, or desire, the player. Not sure what it is. There are no excuses for losing this game.
Kenpom 182 to 202.
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Post by mike60 on Dec 8, 2019 8:43:14 GMT -5
I think what JP means is all of the comments directed at him and whether he will be here 1,2,more years etc. etc. Being called Mr. NBA. This has an effect on both JP and others on the team. And this is being bandied about no matter that he is saying quite the contrary. To keep on saying that he might leave etc. is a backdoor way of calling him a liar. "Well he's just saying that because that's what people want to hear". Some of you forget that last year you accused him of handling the ball too much, dribbling around; this year you accuse him of looking like he doesn't want the ball. What exactly do you think he should do?" Before last year he played in obscurity. This year he plays under intense scrutiny, That is quite an adjustment to make. It takes time. Humans are not microwave ovens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 8:47:05 GMT -5
I think what JP means is all of the comments directed at him and whether he will be here 1,2,more years etc. etc. Being called Mr. NBA. This has an effect on both JP and others on the team. And this is being bandied about no matter that he is saying quite the contrary. To keep on saying that he might leave etc. is a backdoor way of calling him a liar. "Well he's just saying that because that's what people want to hear". Some of you forget that last year you accused him of handling the ball too much, dribbling around; this year you accuse him of looking like he doesn't want the ball. What exactly do you think he should do?" Before last year he played in obscurity. This year he plays under intense scrutiny, That is quite an adjustment to make. It takes time. Humans are not microwave ovens. Most of that Mr NBA talk wasn’t from members of this board.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 8, 2019 8:59:14 GMT -5
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. It’s the entire teams fault. Everyone. Not just one or two players fault. One or two players didn’t shoot 27-65. You blame the team for not playing well and you move on from that. Long season still. This place is too high with wins and too low with losses Wins?! 😝
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Post by indian82 on Dec 8, 2019 9:34:43 GMT -5
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. It’s the entire teams fault. Everyone. Not just one or two players fault. One or two players didn’t shoot 27-65. You blame the team for not playing well and you move on from that. Long season still. Finally a voice of reason on this board. Like I said yesterday over this 4 game stretch, there were a multitude of reasons for losses, not one player, not one shot, not one foul, not one play, not one coaching decision. It’s always a culmination of events or lack there of....team/staff laid an egg in Ca. Team needs to get home regroup and figure this out. We have many issues. Chemistry between players and staff looks sideways. This needs to be fixed we aren’t particularly deep or talented and have a small margin for error. These losses have been on the entire team & staff. It’s a team game. I know we’ve sucked for a decade & people are anxious to win but expectations here by some are always out of kilter and always lead to disappointment. This place is too high with wins and too low with losses Some of these posts above are just freakin’ comical. Good post. Short memories. Yes our core 3 had a bad game for whatever reason. Remember the highs less than a month ago when they all had 19. And I believe the bench had a good o/p the very next game and did pretty well last night. We need to keep a even keel. It was stated months ago we would both win and lose some we shouldn’t. The team is still looking for its identity with a new coach and a lot of new faces. Alternating between putting them on a pedestal or in the gutter based on the last game isn’t doing anybody any good. Couple weeks off (finals though) then 4 home games in less than 2 weeks, including a league game. This will be an important stretch. Let’s see where we are by mid-Jan.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 8, 2019 9:42:37 GMT -5
oh I agree he was awful, but then he did come out, and we still stunk up the joint.................so we had plenty of game left to get it back going in the right direction, and yet we didn't...........that long set of possessions down the stretch where we missed 9 shots in a row was not on Jimmy Neutron Ratliff, sorry..... I thought it would be fun this season to get on here and follow some of my former aau guys. But nothing fun about this website when Siena loses. Always someone's fault. And its always Ratliffs fault or Fridays before. You guys need to stop with that and face reality. Those guys or the bench haven't caused one loss. And some of you get on here and lie about kids for what. Someone said Ratliff got scored on 8 times tonight. You look goofy, like people can't look at stats. Siena had a 10 point lead when Ratliff went in and a 6 point lead when he went out. He played less than 2 minutes. He got scored on once and shot airball. So what, Gary Harris shot an airball. Several of the kids have shot airballs. And Carey got scored on 4 straight times at end of game. The Hein kid gets scored on every week. So what, its basketball. If you don't like Ratliff or Friday or the kids on bench when we lose, who cares. But stop trying to blame them every week. I'm not blaming starters but they are the ones playing most of time and they are the ones that went 1 for 7 and 5 for 13 tonight and gave up 68 points. Ratliff looks like a very nervous and unconfident player. Nothing like summer when I had aau team up there and watched them. That's on Carm to get him back where he was or not. But stop blaming these kids or at least blame kids playing most of game before you get to bench. While I agree blaming this kid or that kid is tough in particular with this team as there is plenty of blame to go around... You did miss that Ratliff got beat multiple times defensively, not just once. The simple reality is Ratliff and Friday are closer to D2 than D1 and you can't blame them that someone was stupidly willing to give them a D1 scholarship. I think everyone knew the roster is going to take years to recover. I don't blame anyone but the administration
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 8, 2019 9:44:41 GMT -5
Sorry, but I’m sticking with my original statement. “Turning point was when Ratliff was inserted. Things seemed to go down hill from there.” Now I realize he was only in for 2 min or so, and only made mistakes, but after they handed us a 5 point halftime lead, I really liked the way we came out of the locker room. At the half I think we all realized this was going to be tough one to win...for whatever reason. It seemed like Carm settled in on his 8 man rotation for the night and it was the right move. I realize losing Hein, who had a very promising start last night, dropped it down to a 7 man rotation, but Carm had EIGHT TIMEOUTS (4 of his own and 4 media) to use for rest as need be for the final 20 minutes.......then Carm made the cardinal sin of using bench players in tight games. IF a kid keeps his sweats on the entire first half of a game and doesnt get any run, he’s mentally tuned out for the night. IF Carm thought he’d need JR later that night, they should have gotten him a minute or two in the first half. Hate calling on a kid that isn’t ready to play. I was happy he didn’t put him in the first half, and when he got in at thev15:58 mark, I jumped up and said, “Noooooo!” Immediately. He wasn’t ready to play and our lead started to go away. Only 4 points in his 2 min, but the slide continued from there. I really thought once we got that 10 pt lead, we had the right attitude to pull away before that substitution. OF COURSE there were other factors (no zone defense, missed FTs, Carey never showed up, Jalen tried to prove to fanbase what a team guy he was in the first 20 min, etc.....) but every game, win or lose seems to have “that moment” when things changed for worse, or sometimes the best. Carms substitution pattern with Ratliff is just as much to blame as Ratliff not being ready to play.
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Post by JK on Dec 8, 2019 10:01:39 GMT -5
Don’t worry. Be happy. It’s all about the MAAC 🙂
Consider this: First year head coach Young core of players Change in playing system two years in a row
There are going to be games when this team looks good. Some games when this team looks bad. Cohesion is not there (yet?). I saw a lot of one-on-one action against Cal Poly. This team is not experienced enough for that. I think the talent potential is there to play fast and above the rim. This team also can’t play the same way when the bench comes in. There is a lot to work on, but there are some good pieces to build on. There is a lot of “blame” to go around for this lackluster performance, but they did build a 12 point lead and an experienced team opens that to 20ish and slams the door. They are not there yet. There is a lot of fan frustration with the “decade of despair”, but no one has a magic wand to poof a quality team into existence. Siena is a MAAC team and attract MAAC type talent. Jalen is above MAAC level, Gary Harris is/will be as well. Obviously, Burns is. Camper has developed nicely. Carey will be a good MAAC player, but he is playing at the highest level of his talent from what I have seen thus far. There needs to be more. This team needs a MAAC level bench which will come with additional players and a little experience. This team most certainly can be a top 5 MAAC team this year, I think they an get top 3 with the right chemistry and player development. It’s better to have a stinker now than in February or March. We should reevaluate after getting a few games into MAAC play.
The one issue someone brought up was the lack of improvement from game to game. That’s concerning. My personal opinion is that this team is distracted right now with whatever is going on with the Pickett suspension and happenings behind the scenes. Let the team move forward from it and, again, reevaluate a few games into MAAC play.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 8, 2019 10:22:14 GMT -5
I’m no Ratliff fanboy but blaming Ratliff is kind of ridiculous the kid was on the floor less than 2 minutes. Yeah CP ate into the score a little but c’mon. You guys are so myopic the game is 40 minutes long. When two of your best four players go a combined 2-12 and can only stay on the floor for 27 min each we aren’t winning. We don’t have that kind of depth. Couple that with piss poor foul shooting, horrible offensive execution, bad defense and a couple questionable coaching moves (substitutions/lack of adjustments). You get a “L
I didn’t feel good about this game at the half and thought we were in big trouble just based on execution alone.
This team has an identity, chemistry and depth issue and an inexperienced head coach finding his way.
Team needs to regroup.
On a brighter note glad to see Harris breakout last night hope this gives him confidence moving forward!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 8, 2019 10:57:28 GMT -5
I’m no Ratliff fanboy but blaming Ratliff is kind of ridiculous the kid was on the floor less than 2 minutes. Yeah CP ate into the score a little but c’mon. You guys are so myopic the game 40 minutes long. When two of your best four players go a combined 2-12 and can only stay on the floor for 27 min each we aren’t winning. We don’t have that kind of depth. Couple that with piss poor foul shooting, horrible offensive execution, bad defense and a couple questionable coaching moves (substitutions/lack of adjustments). You get a “L I didn’t feel good about this game at the half and though we were in big trouble just based on execution alone. This team has an identity, chemistry and depth issue and an inexperienced head coach finding his way. Team needs to regroup. On a brighter note glad to see Harris breakout last night hope this gives him confidence moving forward! So you don’t think a games outcome can change on one play, or sequence?
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Post by bbfan on Dec 8, 2019 10:59:10 GMT -5
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Kenpom:Overall = 331 Offense = 305 Defense = 332 Strengths: 3 point shooting (38%) Defensive rebounding Weaknesses: Everything else. Kenpom predicts a 6 point Siena win on the road. Beat that spread and Siena's ranking will rise. On paper, this is a game Saints should win comfortably. The FT disparity should be large and the Saints should win the possession battle significantly in both rebounding and TO margin. Their FG% defense is absolutely horrible. They only have 7 blocks on the entire year. The 2 pt FGs with the AND 1 could happen quite often for Siena in this one...as they're 317th in 2pt defense and 347th in fouling. Could have a field day attacking the rack. The main issue to watch out for is if they get hot from three. Otherwise, the Saints should roll in this one on paper and potentially beat the predicted margin of victory. Didn't expect to lose to Cal Poly. Well the win for Cal Poly moved them up 10 spots to 321. The loss dropped the Saints 20 spots to 202. Hard to believe they couldn't get this road win. Kind of shocked still hovering around 200 and not 250ish or higher.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 8, 2019 11:05:05 GMT -5
I’m no Ratliff fanboy but blaming Ratliff is kind of ridiculous the kid was on the floor less than 2 minutes. Yeah CP ate into the score a little but c’mon. You guys are so myopic the game 40 minutes long. When two of your best four players go a combined 2-12 and can only stay on the floor for 27 min each we aren’t winning. We don’t have that kind of depth. Couple that with piss poor foul shooting, horrible offensive execution, bad defense and a couple questionable coaching moves (substitutions/lack of adjustments). You get a “L I didn’t feel good about this game at the half and though we were in big trouble just based on execution alone. This team has an identity, chemistry and depth issue and an inexperienced head coach finding his way. Team needs to regroup. On a brighter note glad to see Harris breakout last night hope this gives him confidence moving forward! So you don’t think a games outcome can change on one play, or sequence? Yes of course, I can think of scenarios where a single play or occurrence could determine a win or loss. However for the reasons I indicated above I don’t think Ratliff fits in this case. Was it a factor in losing? Yes. Was it THE factor in losing? No, not close. Overall that was an extremely poorly played and coached game that included many areas where we underachieved. It’s just my opinion, you may choose to look at it differently. I just don’t see it that way. Pretty much the past 4 games have had many issues/problems and shortcomings that have contributed to losses in my opinion.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 8, 2019 11:05:40 GMT -5
Cal Poly
Kenpom:Overall = 331 Offense = 305 Defense = 332 Strengths: 3 point shooting (38%) Defensive rebounding Weaknesses: Everything else. Kenpom predicts a 6 point Siena win on the road. Beat that spread and Siena's ranking will rise. On paper, this is a game Saints should win comfortably. The FT disparity should be large and the Saints should win the possession battle significantly in both rebounding and TO margin. Their FG% defense is absolutely horrible. They only have 7 blocks on the entire year. The 2 pt FGs with the AND 1 could happen quite often for Siena in this one...as they're 317th in 2pt defense and 347th in fouling. Could have a field day attacking the rack. The main issue to watch out for is if they get hot from three. Otherwise, the Saints should roll in this one on paper and potentially beat the predicted margin of victory. Didn't expect to lose to Cal Poly. Well the win for Cal Poly moved them up 10 spots to 321. The loss dropped the Saints 20 spots to 202. Hard to believe they couldn't get this road win. Kind of shocked still hovering around 200 and not 250ish or higher. See? So things aren't quite as bad as one might think. 😁
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