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Post by Tony on Oct 18, 2019 15:11:26 GMT -5
Sammy has missed 8 games, 7 games, and 24 games in his three years so far. I would love to believe that Sammy is going to be out there every night playing 20/25 minutes but history tells us we shouldn't plan on that for much more than 20 games. Throw in Elijah's injury concerns and unless someone else is ready to play the 5 we are going to need more than spot minutes from Denzel and Kyle to get us through the season. I agree with Tony that it's mainly just Burns/Friday at the 5. However, I disagree with the amount of mins he has of Burns at the 4. I think 'attack and finish' is a game played primarily by guards and big wings. I'd have Burns and Friday in a 25/15 or even 20/20 split and preserve them both. If one gets injured the other will have to pick up the slack big time later on so why not take advantage of having them both when you have them. This keeps them both fresher early. I dont know what the break down of minutes for the two are-- I do know they want to play Elijah some at the 4 depending on match ups.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:11:54 GMT -5
You guys realize that Sammy has played 20 minutes in a game exactly 4 times in his career and the only times he did it back to back games he went down with a season ending injury, right? Yep. I think one of them will break down for a stretch at some point. I just don't know who it will be. Might as well take pressure off them both.
If one goes down, I'd almost rather play small with Sutherland and Camper holding down the paint for 10 mins a game while the healthy center rests.
Of course then Young and Denzel would come into play for a few mins as well...but I'm not sure they should until that point.
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Post by $cott on Oct 18, 2019 15:13:46 GMT -5
You guys realize that Sammy has played 20 minutes in a game exactly 4 times in his career and the only times he did it back to back games he went down with a season ending injury, right? Yep. I think one of them will break down for a stretch at some point. I just don't know who it will be. Might as well take pressure off them both.
If one goes down, I'd almost rather play small with Sutherland and Camper holding down the paint for 10 mins a game while the healthy center rests.
Of course then Young and Denzel would come into play for a few mins as well...but I'm not sure they should until that point.
Even your offensively inept bro Marfo would have a field day if we've got to put Sutherland or Camper on him.
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Post by Tony on Oct 18, 2019 15:13:49 GMT -5
You guys realize that Sammy has played 20 minutes in a game exactly 4 times in his career and the only times he did it back to back games he went down with a season ending injury, right? Yep. I think one of them will break down for a stretch at some point. I just don't know who it will be. Might as well take pressure off them both.
If one goes down, I'd almost rather play small with Sutherland and Camper holding down the paint for 10 mins a game while the healthy center rests.
Of course then Young and Denzel would come into play for a few mins as well...but I'm not sure they should until that point.
I dont think you coach with idea one of your players is going down. Problem with Sammy is after 2 min of a fast paced game he will be calling to come out of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:14:37 GMT -5
I agree with Tony that it's mainly just Burns/Friday at the 5. However, I disagree with the amount of mins he has of Burns at the 4. I think 'attack and finish' is a game played primarily by guards and big wings. I'd have Burns and Friday in a 25/15 or even 20/20 split and preserve them both. If one gets injured the other will have to pick up the slack big time later on so why not take advantage of having them both when you have them. This keeps them both fresher early. I dont know what the break down of minutes for the two are-- I do know they want to play Elijah some at the 4 depending on match ups. Yeah, I can see doing it in certain matchups against teams with 2 solid bigs but not for long stretches. They'll be more athletic and feisty on D going with wings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:16:07 GMT -5
Yep. I think one of them will break down for a stretch at some point. I just don't know who it will be. Might as well take pressure off them both.
If one goes down, I'd almost rather play small with Sutherland and Camper holding down the paint for 10 mins a game while the healthy center rests.
Of course then Young and Denzel would come into play for a few mins as well...but I'm not sure they should until that point.
Even your offensively inept bro Marfo would have a field day if we've got to put Sutherland or Camper on him. He likely would. He probably would with Young or Denzel on him too though. You might force more turnovers and get more points in transition by going small though.
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Post by greengold4ever on Oct 18, 2019 15:24:05 GMT -5
Even your offensively inept bro Marfo would have a field day if we've got to put Sutherland or Camper on him. He likely would. He probably would with Young or Denzel on him too though. You might force more turnovers and get more points in transition by going small though. sure Denzel is big and can run the floor, but that's about it.............he isn't a very good defender (he has fouled quite a bit in matchups) and has trouble finishing around the basket, sadly getting his shot blocked alot at his size which is crazy........................so he could play some minutes sparingly just don't expect too much production if any...........................
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Post by $cott on Oct 18, 2019 15:25:01 GMT -5
Yep. I think one of them will break down for a stretch at some point. I just don't know who it will be. Might as well take pressure off them both.
If one goes down, I'd almost rather play small with Sutherland and Camper holding down the paint for 10 mins a game while the healthy center rests.
Of course then Young and Denzel would come into play for a few mins as well...but I'm not sure they should until that point.
I dont think you coach with idea one of your players is going down. Problem with Sammy is after 2 min of a fast paced game he will be calling to come out of the game. If you've only got two bigs you can rely on and both of them have a history of injury problems then you better coach with the idea that one of them could go down. If Kyle and Denzel are not ready to give you quality minutes then there's no way you can regularly have Sammy and Burns out there together even if they play well together. Will be great if we can get 400 minutes out of Sammy this season, that still leaves 800+ minutes at the 5. So even if Elijah can play 800 which is asking a lot, that means any minutes of those that are at the 4 gets added to the Denzel/Kyle/Manny/Luke at the center mess. I know we are in trouble if Pickett or Carey go down but if that happens it is a fluke, you can't coach worrying about that. But with Burns and Friday you had better coach knowing their injury history, if you ignore it then their bodies will breakdown.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:49:07 GMT -5
I dont think you coach with idea one of your players is going down. Problem with Sammy is after 2 min of a fast paced game he will be calling to come out of the game. If you've only got two bigs you can rely on and both of them have a history of injury problems then you better coach with the idea that one of them could go down. If Kyle and Denzel are not ready to give you quality minutes then there's no way you can regularly have Sammy and Burns out there together even if they play well together. Will be great if we can get 400 minutes out of Sammy this season, that still leaves 800+ minutes at the 5. So even if Elijah can play 800 which is asking a lot, that means any minutes of those that are at the 4 gets added to the Denzel/Kyle/Manny/Luke at the center mess. I know we are in trouble if Pickett or Carey go down but if that happens it is a fluke, you can't coach worrying about that. But with Burns and Friday you had better coach knowing their injury history, if you ignore it then their bodies will breakdown. You protect Burns and Sammy only up to an extent. You want them out there. You need them out there. Just don't over do it. 25/15 or 20/20 split should be how you approach it. It's reasonable. If Young isn't ready, no need to rush him. He's getting reps in practice. If injury happens, he'll be called upon soon enough. Burns and Friday are likely more accustomed to playing the pick and roll game. Throwing someone else out there changes the chemistry. Rest these guys by keeping them mostly at the 5. If something happens then, it happens. But until then, it should be Camper and Sutherland at the 4 most of the time and keep running the floor. When you have those ideal combo 4 types for the MAAC, you might as well use them at their best position.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 16:02:43 GMT -5
If Camper is averaging 7+ rebounds per 30 mins for us, there's little reason to play a big at PF. He averaged 6.2 last year...and that was at the 2nd slowest tempo in D1.
Camper was 347th and 388th in OR% and DR% nationally last year.
Agee was 469th and 67th for comparison.
Rebounding and defense is where I hope Camper takes his big leaps forward this year. I think there is still untapped upside for him there. Better jump shooting, I don't count on. That would just a be a bonus.
Camper, if not Burns, may actually end up as Siena's leading rebounder.
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Post by gorvy on Oct 19, 2019 7:38:24 GMT -5
You guys realize that Sammy has played 20 minutes in a game exactly 4 times in his career and the only times he did it back to back games he went down with a season ending injury, right? He's played 431 minutes in his entire career and no one is concerned we are penciling him in for 600+ just this season? I think this is the year he makes it through the season. He's my choice for that fifth starter.
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Post by Sienafan on Oct 19, 2019 10:48:50 GMT -5
I think the 5th starter should be and will be either be Sutherland or Harris. I think it's currently a close competition between the two that hasn't been decided yet. Either way, we will can't go wrong and there will be little drop off if one of comes in for a the other. Both look to have the tools to potentially develop into something special someday. I think Sutherland is in line for it lot of the minutes regardless of whether or not he starts. He will be needed at the 3 and 4 this season.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 19, 2019 15:00:42 GMT -5
Luke is a combination of Bisping and Rossiter. I love his upside. He’ll be really good as a sophomore, and I think he can be a good 10 min contributor this year off the bench. I’d like to see Harris start at the 3, but Ratliff replace him early in the game. Luke subs for Manny or Elijah when they need a blow. Are you referring to the comparison of Luke w/Bisping & Rossiter because of “position” or skill set/athletic ability? Because I find Luke much more athletic and a better ball handler than both of those. I don’t remember Bisping or Rossiter having the bounce that Luke has (especially as a freshman).
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Post by bigfan on Oct 19, 2019 17:41:48 GMT -5
HJ - what do you see in Luke that reminds you of Rossiter? Not trying to be critical, just genuinely curious.
I can see some similarity to Brett in that he was a legit 3 point threat with size and some handle, though I think Luke is likely to spend a much higher percentage of his time on the perimeter in comparison.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 19, 2019 20:08:22 GMT -5
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