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Post by $cott on Jun 19, 2019 8:59:55 GMT -5
Seymour is not a 4 man. Lucky for Seymour, Camper and Harris can likely rebound enough to help keep him on the floor playing as a 3 even if Sutherland doesn't take on some of that 4 man role. A Sutherland emergence would take a lot of pressure off of everyone and provide a lot of stability for this team. At least 2 of Camper/Sutherland/Harris need to give all the PF toughness for this team. Seymour will be out on the perimeter. LOL, you can keep saying that but it won't make it true. The one play that Carm has drawn up in an interview had Sloan at the 4. As much as you don't want to believe that Sloan is a 4 that is where the coaching staff is going to play him. You can get away with Sloan at the 4 with a 3 guard lineup or with Camper or Harris at the 3 since all those other guys can grab rebounds. You can not get away with a lineup where Sloan is at the 3 with two of Burns, Friday, and Sutherland out there. That lineup is too slow.
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Post by Tony on Jun 19, 2019 9:10:56 GMT -5
Correction Sloan was not a 4 man last year as a weak 18 year old freshmen, we have no idea on how Carm intends to use him this year. I’m not saying Luke won’t get any minutes, obviously if Sloan struggles to improve, then opportunities for Luke increase, but even if Sloan struggles Carm has several options, if Gary really “has” to play ( because he too good) Carm could go small – with both Manny and Gary in starting lineup ( I think we will see the small fast unit for some time on floor regardless. ) could go big with both Sammy and Elijah on floor at same time ( think you’ll see that vs up teams) Team really has a lot of options, almost impossible to predict ( although I know we love to do just that) Until we see how ready the freshmen are and what if any sophomore jump Sloan makes. Hopefully its best of both worlds’ freshmen are ready and Sloan makes the jump- obviously Sloan knows he has to improve this year. Jamion mentioned how hard Sloan is working in weight room several times between end of the season and his departure and Carm can barely get thru an interview without mentioning it. Barring no improvement from Sloan, I see (guessing max 8-12 min a game for Luke)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 9:26:09 GMT -5
Seymour is not a 4 man. Lucky for Seymour, Camper and Harris can likely rebound enough to help keep him on the floor playing as a 3 even if Sutherland doesn't take on some of that 4 man role. A Sutherland emergence would take a lot of pressure off of everyone and provide a lot of stability for this team. At least 2 of Camper/Sutherland/Harris need to give all the PF toughness for this team. Seymour will be out on the perimeter. LOL, you can keep saying that but it won't make it true. The one play that Carm has drawn up in an interview had Sloan at the 4. As much as you don't want to believe that Sloan is a 4 that is where the coaching staff is going to play him. You can get away with Sloan at the 4 with a 3 guard lineup or with Camper or Harris at the 3 since all those other guys can grab rebounds. You can not get away with a lineup where Sloan is at the 3 with two of Burns, Friday, and Sutherland out there. That lineup is too slow. Yes...and both Camper and Burns were also in that play. I don't care what number you put next to their names but when they're both in the lineup at the same time...Camper is the 4, not Seymour.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 9:27:29 GMT -5
Correction Sloan was not a 4 man last year as a weak 18 year old freshmen, we have no idea on how Carm intends to use him this year. I’m not saying Luke won’t get any minutes, obviously if Sloan struggles to improve, then opportunities for Luke increase, but even if Sloan struggles Carm has several options, if Gary really “has” to play ( because he too good) Carm could go small – with both Manny and Greg in starting lineup ( I think we will see the small fast unit for some time on floor regardless. ) could go big with both Sammy and Elijah on floor at same time ( think you’ll see that vs up teams) Team really has a lot of options, almost impossible to predict ( although I know we love to do just that) Until we see how ready the freshmen are and what if any sophomore jump Sloan makes. Hopefully its best of both worlds’ freshmen are ready and Sloan makes the jump- obviously Sloan knows he has to improve this year. Jamion mentioned how hard Sloan is working in weight room several times between end of the season and his departure and Carm can barely get thru an interview without mentioning it. Barring no improvement from Sloan, I see (guessing 8-12 min a game for Luke) Greg? You mean Pickett's walk on friend? You have him starting? Hell, you have him officially on the roster?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 9:37:20 GMT -5
Haha, someone's autocorrect keep changing Gary to Greg?
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Post by Quackman on Jun 19, 2019 11:44:37 GMT -5
I really don't understand all the love for Camper. Dude averaged a little over 6 ppg and can't shoot - not even free throws. While I'm of course not writing him off and there's potential for him to make a big leap, it's just as likely that Harris or Sutherland can blow right by him in the depth chart. Both have more complete games. If he and Harris area competing for the same spot, I don't see how it Camper wins that contest unless he drastically evolves from what he was last season. I think everyone is seriously underestimating Sutherland. I predict he ends up in the top 8 rotation players before the season is done. He looks like he's going to come in much more ready to play as a freshman than people think. Yes, he's 6'8 and big men usually need time and develop at this level. But he's not really a big man - just a tall wing. It's Young who I predict will need a year to be a ready to contribute. I like Manny for several reasons, he is a tough team oriented player (type I enjoy watching) he is athletic, he was one of our better defenders and rebounders last year As for incoming freshmen- I like all 3. And fans are always optimistic on freshmen, but the truth is head coaches almost always favor experience over freshmen. Go back over last 30 years at Siena and look how often freshmen played on contender type teams- go back and look how much Dwayne Archbold played as freshmen, how about Prosper , Alex Franklin played 20 min a game as freshmen, Ryan Rossiter 11 mpg, Clarence Jackson 8.4 MPG. OD 12 mpg In short normally only time Siena has had Freshmen play extended min was years Siena was rebuilding . Gary Harris has best opportunity to play extended min ( 20-25 mg) Only way Young or Sutherland play extended min is if Burns( Friday) and or Seymour falter or get injured. At the MAAC level playing freshmen extended min is not a recipe for success. A lot to learn for incoming freshmen, as well as body maturing. Gary has leg up being a prep school kid and a year older- most of our impact freshmen the last 20 years have been prep school kids . As for freshmen, best to keep Al McGuire famous line in mind “The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.” Another example of posters focusing on a players perceived negatives and not recognizing what the kid can do. He is a plus defender, plus rebounder and finishes at the rim. As much as I liked Smithen, Camper was the better defender and he can defend from the 1 to 4. What's more, he was basically a freshman (Given how little he played his first year) and playing out of position. As for Harris, he is a freshman who has never played a second of D1 ball. If he beats out Camper or Seymour for playing time, great. Until he does, Camper and Seymour are the 3/4. Both are established D1 players who were big parts of the success the team had last year.
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Post by Quackman on Jun 19, 2019 11:48:57 GMT -5
Correction Sloan was not a 4 man last year as a weak 18 year old freshmen, we have no idea on how Carm intends to use him this year. I’m not saying Luke won’t get any minutes, obviously if Sloan struggles to improve, then opportunities for Luke increase, but even if Sloan struggles Carm has several options, if Gary really “has” to play ( because he too good) Carm could go small – with both Manny and Gary in starting lineup ( I think we will see the small fast unit for some time on floor regardless. ) could go big with both Sammy and Elijah on floor at same time ( think you’ll see that vs up teams) Team really has a lot of options, almost impossible to predict ( although I know we love to do just that) Until we see how ready the freshmen are and what if any sophomore jump Sloan makes. Hopefully its best of both worlds’ freshmen are ready and Sloan makes the jump- obviously Sloan knows he has to improve this year. Jamion mentioned how hard Sloan is working in weight room several times between end of the season and his departure and Carm can barely get thru an interview without mentioning it. Barring no improvement from Sloan, I see (guessing max 8-12 min a game for Luke) Not sure how much positions matter any more. Pickett (or whomever takes over when he is on the bench) is the point guard, Burns in the post player (Friday/Young when he is on the bench). Everyone else is a wing and basically interchangeable.
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Post by mjs72 on Jun 19, 2019 11:57:47 GMT -5
At this point, I really wish we got Ortale from Bethlehem to walk on for us and not Iona. HJ, word out Bethlehem way is he got a full ride from Cluess not a walk-on I stand corrected. First year as walk on with next 3 on scholly
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 19, 2019 13:40:29 GMT -5
At this point, I really wish we got Ortale from Bethlehem to walk on for us and not Iona. HJ, word out Bethlehem way is he got a full ride from Cluess not a walk-on All the Iona posters say he’s a walk on. Maybe preferred, but they aren’t counting him on this years scholarship/roster spots.
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Post by great10110 on Jun 19, 2019 13:46:03 GMT -5
At this point, I really wish we got Ortale from Bethlehem to walk on for us and not Iona. HJ, word out Bethlehem way is he got a full ride from Cluess not a walk-on He’s a preferred walk on. No full ride.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 19, 2019 13:47:00 GMT -5
I like Manny for several reasons, he is a tough team oriented player (type I enjoy watching) he is athletic, he was one of our better defenders and rebounders last year As for incoming freshmen- I like all 3. And fans are always optimistic on freshmen, but the truth is head coaches almost always favor experience over freshmen. Go back over last 30 years at Siena and look how often freshmen played on contender type teams- go back and look how much Dwayne Archbold played as freshmen, how about Prosper , Alex Franklin played 20 min a game as freshmen, Ryan Rossiter 11 mpg, Clarence Jackson 8.4 MPG. OD 12 mpg In short normally only time Siena has had Freshmen play extended min was years Siena was rebuilding . Gary Harris has best opportunity to play extended min ( 20-25 mg) Only way Young or Sutherland play extended min is if Burns( Friday) and or Seymour falter or get injured. At the MAAC level playing freshmen extended min is not a recipe for success. A lot to learn for incoming freshmen, as well as body maturing. Gary has leg up being a prep school kid and a year older- most of our impact freshmen the last 20 years have been prep school kids . As for freshmen, best to keep Al McGuire famous line in mind “The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.” Another example of posters focusing on a players perceived negatives and not recognizing what the kid can do. He is a plus defender, plus rebounder and finishes at the rim. As much as I liked Smithen, Camper was the better defender and he can defend from the 1 to 4. What's more, he was basically a freshman (Given how little he played his first year) and playing out of position. As for Harris, he is a freshman who has never played a second of D1 ball. If he beats out Camper or Seymour for playing time, great. Until he does, Camper and Seymour are the 3/4. Both are established D1 players who were big parts of the success the team had last year. People forget Manny was a guard under JC! He can really defend and rebound. Something desperately needed when the forward next to him sits 30’ from the basket and doesn’t grab a rebound in his 25 minutes of playing time. Manny can also help handling the ball vs other teams PFs. In my mind his only weakness is outside shooting! So don’t let him do it! Lol
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Post by $cott on Jun 19, 2019 13:54:30 GMT -5
Another example of posters focusing on a players perceived negatives and not recognizing what the kid can do. He is a plus defender, plus rebounder and finishes at the rim. As much as I liked Smithen, Camper was the better defender and he can defend from the 1 to 4. What's more, he was basically a freshman (Given how little he played his first year) and playing out of position. As for Harris, he is a freshman who has never played a second of D1 ball. If he beats out Camper or Seymour for playing time, great. Until he does, Camper and Seymour are the 3/4. Both are established D1 players who were big parts of the success the team had last year. People forget Manny was a guard under JC! He can really defend and rebound. Something desperately needed when the forward next to him sits 30’ from the basket and doesn’t grab a rebound in his 25 minutes of playing time. Manny can also help handling the ball vs other teams PFs. In my mind his only weakness is outside shooting! So don’t let him do it! Lol Plus with the 3 point line moving back this year there may be a lot more players in the MAAC that should never be shooting 3's. Seymour could just match his 37% from last year and be one of the top guys in 3 point percentage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 15:54:46 GMT -5
Another example of posters focusing on a players perceived negatives and not recognizing what the kid can do. He is a plus defender, plus rebounder and finishes at the rim. As much as I liked Smithen, Camper was the better defender and he can defend from the 1 to 4. What's more, he was basically a freshman (Given how little he played his first year) and playing out of position. As for Harris, he is a freshman who has never played a second of D1 ball. If he beats out Camper or Seymour for playing time, great. Until he does, Camper and Seymour are the 3/4. Both are established D1 players who were big parts of the success the team had last year. People forget Manny was a guard under JC! He can really defend and rebound. Something desperately needed when the forward next to him sits 30’ from the basket and doesn’t grab a rebound in his 25 minutes of playing time. Manny can also help handling the ball vs other teams PFs. In my mind his only weakness is outside shooting! So don’t let him do it! Lol He’s got the whole off season to work on his outside shooting. Improve there and Manny becomes Manny the Magnificent.
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Post by saintsgrad on Jun 19, 2019 16:10:21 GMT -5
If I'm Carm, I'm having Manny shoot a hundred free throws a day. He's great at getting to the line, and if he improves to at least 65% from last year's 52%, his offense could become key for us.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 19, 2019 16:14:57 GMT -5
If I'm Carm, I'm having Manny shoot a hundred free throws a day. He's great at getting to the line, and if he improves to at least 65% from last year's 52%, his offense could become key for us. And if he doesn't, then what? Yes, he's a great defender and good rebounder. But if his only offense is going to the hoop for layups and he can't shoot free throws when fouled, that's a problem. You also gotta pull him late in games when teams are intentionally fouling. Not a good look for a starter.
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