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Post by rpize24 on Jun 13, 2019 23:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:28:59 GMT -5
Well, unless Carm pulls a rabbit out of his hat late here Siena might need Harris to do a bit of a George Beamon impersonation. Role player may not be good enough now.
Luckily he would seem to have the potential on paper to grow into a guy like that.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 18, 2019 14:36:55 GMT -5
At this point, I really wish we got Ortale from Bethlehem to walk on for us and not Iona.
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Post by Tony on Jun 18, 2019 15:58:29 GMT -5
At this point, I really wish we got Ortale from Bethlehem to walk on for us and not Iona. Why he wouldnt play for us? |
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Post by Tony on Jun 18, 2019 16:02:28 GMT -5
Well, unless Carm pulls a rabbit out of his hat late here Siena might need Harris to do a bit of a George Beamon impersonation. Role player may not be good enough now. Luckily he would seem to have the potential on paper to grow into a guy like that. So what are you saying? A 500 season? Better, worse? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 16:17:26 GMT -5
Well, unless Carm pulls a rabbit out of his hat late here Siena might need Harris to do a bit of a George Beamon impersonation. Role player may not be good enough now. Luckily he would seem to have the potential on paper to grow into a guy like that. So what are you saying? A 500 season? Better, worse? Better. The OOC is challenging..so 20 wins will probably be difficult unless Harris is an instant all-rookie caliber starter..but they should still do well in the MAAC. However, to beat Iona and Rider they need that other 2-way star to develop from somewhere...be it Harris, Ratliff, or Sutherland. And to win a title they'll probably need at least 2 of them to really contribute positively. The bench production can't continue to be horseshit and the D can't fall off a cliff post-Smithen even with a potentially better offense. |
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Post by Tony on Jun 18, 2019 16:45:29 GMT -5
No right or wrong here, with so many new comers plus new coach more difficult to predict Siena’s season than it normally is. I hope to get a look at freshmen over next few weeks. I will say you are more worried about Rider than I am. I don’t think Sutherland or Ratliff will play much. The guy I hope to see break out is Sloan- if Sloan is a 12/4..12/5 type guy next year he is probably an ALL MAAC player—please note not saying he will only the potential is there- Both Jamion ( before he left) and Carm gush on how hard he is working. I will add if Sloan is grabbing 1 rebound a game, then Luke will probably get a shot at playing group
Pretty easy to figure out the top 8 – Jalen, Don, Elijah, Sloan, Manny, Sammy, Greg, Matt – Ratliff, Sutherland, Young will fight it out for 9th and 10th spots- situational and spot players
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Post by Tony on Jun 18, 2019 16:50:05 GMT -5
I should also add another big key is how Don and Jalen mesh. They have potential to be best backcourt in the MAAC – but they have to prove it- if they can batman and robin it, Siena will be tough to beat in the MAAC – if they struggle playing together, Siena will struggle also
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Post by mike60 on Jun 18, 2019 20:17:36 GMT -5
I think Smithen played very good defense, but wasn't the be all defensive player. Part of good exterior defense is good interior defense. It allows the guards to take chances when they know there are good defenders behind them. We should have much superior interior defense next year than we had last year. It shouldn't take much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 21:57:42 GMT -5
I think Smithen played very good defense, but wasn't the be all defensive player. Part of good exterior defense is good interior defense. It allows the guards to take chances when they know there are good defenders behind them. We should have much superior interior defense next year than we had last year. It shouldn't take much. Smithen was a hyper active defender that made things happen even if it wasn't him who came up with ending play. He put pressure on the ballhandler which allowed Pickett to play off the ball on D and make plays with his IQ off bad passes away from Smithen and Camper. Pickett isn't that quick so he's best playing as a help defender rather than on the ball. In my mind, a case could be made that Smithen was the DPOY last year and the best on-ball defender in the league.
Hopefully, the additions of Harris, Carey, and Burns' athleticism to the lineup will combine to be even better. Harris could maybe bring some of that same hyper defensive presence but also with Camper, Pickett, Carey, and Burns...there's less weak links athletically and they will hopefully be able to put teams on their heels in at least the same way as they did down the stretch last year.
But they probably need Harris to be that energy guy who just runs around like a maniac and makes plays.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 18, 2019 23:56:03 GMT -5
I really don't understand all the love for Camper. Dude averaged a little over 6 ppg and can't shoot - not even free throws. While I'm of course not writing him off and there's potential for him to make a big leap, it's just as likely that Harris or Sutherland can blow right by him in the depth chart. Both have more complete games. If he and Harris area competing for the same spot, I don't see how it Camper wins that contest unless he drastically evolves from what he was last season.
I think everyone is seriously underestimating Sutherland. I predict he ends up in the top 8 rotation players before the season is done. He looks like he's going to come in much more ready to play as a freshman than people think. Yes, he's 6'8 and big men usually need time and develop at this level. But he's not really a big man - just a tall wing. It's Young who I predict will need a year to be a ready to contribute.
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Post by Tony on Jun 19, 2019 4:38:52 GMT -5
I really don't understand all the love for Camper. Dude averaged a little over 6 ppg and can't shoot - not even free throws. While I'm of course not writing him off and there's potential for him to make a big leap, it's just as likely that Harris or Sutherland can blow right by him in the depth chart. Both have more complete games. If he and Harris area competing for the same spot, I don't see how it Camper wins that contest unless he drastically evolves from what he was last season. I think everyone is seriously underestimating Sutherland. I predict he ends up in the top 8 rotation players before the season is done. He looks like he's going to come in much more ready to play as a freshman than people think. Yes, he's 6'8 and big men usually need time and develop at this level. But he's not really a big man - just a tall wing. It's Young who I predict will need a year to be a ready to contribute. I like Manny for several reasons, he is a tough team oriented player (type I enjoy watching) he is athletic, he was one of our better defenders and rebounders last year As for incoming freshmen- I like all 3. And fans are always optimistic on freshmen, but the truth is head coaches almost always favor experience over freshmen. Go back over last 30 years at Siena and look how often freshmen played on contender type teams- go back and look how much Dwayne Archbold played as freshmen, how about Prosper , Alex Franklin played 20 min a game as freshmen, Ryan Rossiter 11 mpg, Clarence Jackson 8.4 MPG. OD 12 mpg In short normally only time Siena has had Freshmen play extended min was years Siena was rebuilding . Gary Harris has best opportunity to play extended min ( 20-25 mg) Only way Young or Sutherland play extended min is if Burns( Friday) and or Seymour falter or get injured. At the MAAC level playing freshmen extended min is not a recipe for success. A lot to learn for incoming freshmen, as well as body maturing. Gary has leg up being a prep school kid and a year older- most of our impact freshmen the last 20 years have been prep school kids . As for freshmen, best to keep Al McGuire famous line in mind “The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.” |
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Post by mjs72 on Jun 19, 2019 4:47:55 GMT -5
At this point, I really wish we got Ortale from Bethlehem to walk on for us and not Iona. HJ, word out Bethlehem way is he got a full ride from Cluess not a walk-on |
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 19, 2019 7:16:48 GMT -5
I really don't understand all the love for Camper. Dude averaged a little over 6 ppg and can't shoot - not even free throws. While I'm of course not writing him off and there's potential for him to make a big leap, it's just as likely that Harris or Sutherland can blow right by him in the depth chart. Both have more complete games. If he and Harris area competing for the same spot, I don't see how it Camper wins that contest unless he drastically evolves from what he was last season. I think everyone is seriously underestimating Sutherland. I predict he ends up in the top 8 rotation players before the season is done. He looks like he's going to come in much more ready to play as a freshman than people think. Yes, he's 6'8 and big men usually need time and develop at this level. But he's not really a big man - just a tall wing. It's Young who I predict will need a year to be a ready to contribute. I like Manny for several reasons, he is a tough team oriented player (type I enjoy watching) he is athletic, he was one of our better defenders and rebounders last year As for incoming freshmen- I like all 3. And fans are always optimistic on freshmen, but the truth is head coaches almost always favor experience over freshmen. Go back over last 30 years at Siena and look how often freshmen played on contender type teams- go back and look how much Dwayne Archbold played as freshmen, how about Prosper , Alex Franklin played 20 min a game as freshmen, Ryan Rossiter 11 mpg, Clarence Jackson 8.4 MPG. OD 12 mpg In short normally only time Siena has had Freshmen play extended min was years Siena was rebuilding . Gary Harris has best opportunity to play extended min ( 20-25 mg) Only way Young or Sutherland play extended min is if Burns( Friday) and or Seymour falter or get injured. At the MAAC level playing freshmen extended min is not a recipe for success. A lot to learn for incoming freshmen, as well as body maturing. Gary has leg up being a prep school kid and a year older- most of our impact freshmen the last 20 years have been prep school kids . As for freshmen, best to keep Al McGuire famous line in mind “The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.” I agree with you about Manny's positive attributes - no argument there. But Harris appears to share the those attributes, plus adding being a shooter on top of that. So I'm eager to see what happens with those two. As for Sutherland, I don't expect he'll be a starter or a anything like that. So I agree he won't be being playing big minutes right away. But I disagree with the statement that he won't play much. I think he'll be the first man off the bench to back up the 4 spot. And if Seymour doesn't add more to his game than shooting jump shots from the perimeter, there's an opportunity there. It's hard to judge if any freshmen will become impact players. But I think this team will need at least one of the current frosh to be one right away in order to contend. The team needs a solid bench to keep up with the league favorites - especially if they intend to play faster. If it's only just the likes of Pickett, Carey, and Burns consistently bringing it, that's not enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 8:49:15 GMT -5
Seymour is not a 4 man.
Lucky for Seymour, Camper and Harris can likely rebound enough to help keep him on the floor playing as a 3 even if Sutherland doesn't take on some of that 4 man role. A Sutherland emergence would take a lot of pressure off of everyone and provide a lot of stability for this team.
At least 2 of Camper/Sutherland/Harris need to give all the PF toughness for this team. Seymour will be out on the perimeter.
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