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Post by warden99 on Jun 21, 2019 8:02:04 GMT -5
Sorry KK. You make a valid point. I usually get angry at posters who take on coaches and players they no little about. I don’t offer much because my opinions are clouded by almost 70 years of being a fan. I want the team to do well.
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Post by $cott on Jun 21, 2019 8:55:50 GMT -5
If a freshman and senior are equal in performance, the freshman gets played ahead of the senior 99 out of 100 times. I don't agree with this premise. If the senior has been in the program and seen success, he is going to get the minutes. Experience and loyalty count. (Remember, they are calling it a players program, right?) That said, I have no issue with freshman or newcomers playing major minutes if they have earned it in off season workouts and practice. Totally different when there is a new coach. The new coach is always going to favor the guys he recruited over the guys he inherited. We saw it last year with the failed attempt to play Darwiche over Smithen. We saw it previously with the failed attempt to play Evan Fisher over Imoh Silas.
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Post by Quackman on Jun 21, 2019 11:12:05 GMT -5
I don't agree with this premise. If the senior has been in the program and seen success, he is going to get the minutes. Experience and loyalty count. (Remember, they are calling it a players program, right?) That said, I have no issue with freshman or newcomers playing major minutes if they have earned it in off season workouts and practice. Totally different when there is a new coach. The new coach is always going to favor the guys he recruited over the guys he inherited. We saw it last year with the failed attempt to play Darwiche over Smithen. We saw it previously with the failed attempt to play Evan Fisher over Imoh Silas. Sure, but Carm was an assistant coach last year and participated in recruiting and/or re-recruiting all the guys in the program. I am not sure you should compare him to JP or JC as new coaches. HJ's point was that if they are equal, they'll go with the freshman. If the freshman is the better player, then he'll play. But, if they are equal (or relatively equal), they'll go with the kid already in the program unless/until the freshman beats him out.
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Post by orange77 on Jun 21, 2019 11:39:55 GMT -5
The question is, when are any two players really equal? There are inevitably different advantages and disadvantages that a coach will have to weigh, depending on the opponent and what other team members bring to the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 11:50:57 GMT -5
Sorry KK. You make a valid point. I usually get angry at posters who take on coaches and players they no little about. I don’t offer much because my opinions are clouded by almost 70 years of being a fan. I want the team to do well. We all want the team to do well. For example, I would be thrilled if Darwiche and Hein suddenly broke out. We're merely just expressing likelihoods here and trying to be objective about things compared to the rest of the MAAC. Neither coach nor player are infallible on an internet forum It's just a discussion.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 21, 2019 11:54:19 GMT -5
My point is the freshman has three years to improve (odds are he will) whereas the senior has hit his ceiling, so any coach that has a choice between the two, when their production is similar, goes with the kid that will help him the next three years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 12:00:56 GMT -5
My point is the freshman has three years to improve (odds are he will) whereas the senior has hit his ceiling, so any coach that has a choice between the two, when their production is similar, goes with the kid that will help him the next three years. Everyone likes the shiny new toy.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 21, 2019 15:48:28 GMT -5
My point is the freshman has three years to improve (odds are he will) whereas the senior has hit his ceiling, so any coach that has a choice between the two, when their production is similar, goes with the kid that will help him the next three years. Everyone likes the shiny new toy. If the new toy is doing everything the old toy can do, I'm betting he'll do even better things in the next 3 years. The old toy has reached his ceiling. Its just business.
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