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Post by nolesaint on Jun 25, 2018 15:27:57 GMT -5
I like what I saw on what I watched of the youtube video. Playing against guys with good size and and speed of play he was still able to find ways to score while driving and got his shot off many times with guys in his face. Hope it works out!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 15:45:31 GMT -5
Some in here always like to point out the negative so if player doesn’t work out they look like scouting geniuses and if it does work out they dish out the praise to b-ball coaches, conditioning & strength coaches for making players over achieve ... win-win all the way around 😉 Except that I almost never do that. If anything, I remain the contrarian. I'm positive when things are bad and remain grounded when the perceptions are good. I generally stand by my analysis good or bad. This kid can probably shoot threes and handle enough to maneuver in JC's system...but he's not a rebounder and may not be a pure PG. He looks like an Evan Hymes type. Those guys can be useful at this level for sure but you just don't want to many guys who have significant weaknesses. Too many role players is not a recipe for success. You need stars first.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 25, 2018 15:57:46 GMT -5
KK, I've agreed with you a lot in the past about the combo guard stuff. A guy like Richard, who is truly a shooting guard who is small but likes the ball in his hand, doesn't really contribute to winning. I think you have labeled all guys labeled as PG's with low assist numbers combo guards that are unable to play point guard. I just finished watching a full game of Darwiche, and I think there is a clear distinction between him and a player like Richard or Hymes: Darwiche is a guy who can play point guard OR he can play off the ball.
The game I watched was him playing at the U20 level last summer for his national team. It was the best game of the tournament for him, against Malta. His team went on to win the tournament.
In this game, he had 18 points on 6/10 shooting, 4/7 from 3, 3 rebounds, 2 assists (3 turnovers), and 2 steals. Statistically, that game might tell someone that he's a Richard or Hymes type who turns it over and doesn't really pass, but can score the ball. Watching the game tells an entirely different story.
For about 65% of the time he's in the game, he is the point guard. He's the one bringing the ball up the floor, handling pressure, receiving picks at the top of the key, etc. The other period of time, he plays off the ball as a off-ball shooter. He looked excellent as a catch and shoot guy and made several excellent passes-- to me it was clear he could run the show in this game. However, his assists numbers were kept down by guys missing wide open 3's he created for them, as well as the fact that the European game features a lot more passing (especially by the bigs) than the American game. There were times where he'd make a very slick pass to a big, who would make another pass for a better shot. Darwiche receives the hockey assist of sorts. He could have easily had 6-8 assists in this game, if not more.
The competition level in this one was probably about the level of a D2 or D3 game. It was definitely better than a high school game (though many prep school teams would probably be at a higher level from an athleticism standpoint) but definitely worse than a MAAC game.
Here's the link to the game for those who'd like to watch and not just take my word for it:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:02:28 GMT -5
KK, I've agreed with you a lot in the past about the combo guard stuff. A guy like Richard, who is truly a shooting guard who is small but likes the ball in his hand, doesn't really contribute to winning. I think you have labeled all guys labeled as PG's with low assist numbers combo guards that are unable to play point guard. I just finished watching a full game of Darwiche, and I think there is a clear distinction between him and a player like Richard or Hymes: Darwiche is a guy who can play point guard OR he can play off the ball. The game I watched was him playing at the U20 level last summer for his national team. It was the best game of the tournament for him, against Malta. His team went on to win the tournament. In this game, he had 18 points on 6/10 shooting, 4/7 from 3, 3 rebounds, 2 assists (3 turnovers), and 2 steals. Statistically, that game might tell someone that he's a Richard or Hymes type who turns it over and doesn't really pass, but can score the ball. Watching the game tells an entirely different story. For about 65% of the time he's in the game, he is the point guard. He's the one bringing the ball up the floor, handling pressure, receiving picks at the top of the key, etc. The other period of time, he plays off the ball as a off-ball shooter. He looked excellent as a catch and shoot guy and made several excellent passes-- to me it was clear he could run the show in this game. However, his assists numbers were kept down by guys missing wide open 3's he created for them, as well as the fact that the European game features a lot more passing (especially by the bigs) than the American game. There were times where he'd make a very slick pass to a big, who would make another pass for a better shot. Darwiche receives the hockey assist of sorts. He could have easily had 6-8 assists in this game, if not more. The competition level in this one was probably about the level of a D2 or D3 game. It was definitely better than a high school game (though many prep school teams would probably be at a higher level from an athleticism standpoint) but definitely worse than a MAAC game. Here's the link to the game for those who'd like to watch and not just take my word for it: Did not Evan Hymes and Zavier Turner do this for their respective teams? They were both quick and got what they wanted while also making the occasionally starry eyed play. What happens if you were to put Evan Hymes and Khalil Richard on the floor at the same time? Does that team win 20 games? They probably average about 3 rebs a game COMBINED and let other teams score at will...while not taking that good care of the ball. Sure they make the great play and can get super hot from three at times but do they WIN?
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 25, 2018 16:08:31 GMT -5
KK, I've agreed with you a lot in the past about the combo guard stuff. A guy like Richard, who is truly a shooting guard who is small but likes the ball in his hand, doesn't really contribute to winning. I think you have labeled all guys labeled as PG's with low assist numbers combo guards that are unable to play point guard. I just finished watching a full game of Darwiche, and I think there is a clear distinction between him and a player like Richard or Hymes: Darwiche is a guy who can play point guard OR he can play off the ball. The game I watched was him playing at the U20 level last summer for his national team. It was the best game of the tournament for him, against Malta. His team went on to win the tournament. In this game, he had 18 points on 6/10 shooting, 4/7 from 3, 3 rebounds, 2 assists (3 turnovers), and 2 steals. Statistically, that game might tell someone that he's a Richard or Hymes type who turns it over and doesn't really pass, but can score the ball. Watching the game tells an entirely different story. For about 65% of the time he's in the game, he is the point guard. He's the one bringing the ball up the floor, handling pressure, receiving picks at the top of the key, etc. The other period of time, he plays off the ball as a off-ball shooter. He looked excellent as a catch and shoot guy and made several excellent passes-- to me it was clear he could run the show in this game. However, his assists numbers were kept down by guys missing wide open 3's he created for them, as well as the fact that the European game features a lot more passing (especially by the bigs) than the American game. There were times where he'd make a very slick pass to a big, who would make another pass for a better shot. Darwiche receives the hockey assist of sorts. He could have easily had 6-8 assists in this game, if not more. The competition level in this one was probably about the level of a D2 or D3 game. It was definitely better than a high school game (though many prep school teams would probably be at a higher level from an athleticism standpoint) but definitely worse than a MAAC game. Here's the link to the game for those who'd like to watch and not just take my word for it: Did not Evan Hymes and Zavier Turner do this for their respective teams? They were both quick and got what they wanted while also making the occasionally starry eyed play. What happens if you were to put Evan Hymes and Khalil Richard on the floor at the same time? Does that team win 20 games? My point was more that Garwiche actually looks like he can run a team, not just be an energizer bunny. In fact, if we brought him here to be a Hymes or Turner, we got the wrong guy. He’s good off the bounce but he’s not a complete blow-by guy. The video I linked assuaged some of my concerns about him being a point guard. Am I sold? Not yet. And regarding your point earlier that you need Stars first, no star is around the last week of June. If you think there’s a guy out there who can help your team at this stage in the game, you do it. JC’s will still have 4 scholarships for next year, and I guarantee he wants Adams-Woods, Ings, Gill, or some combination of those 3 to come in and be a star PG. Siena got better today for next season, and they may have gotten better for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:10:51 GMT -5
Did not Evan Hymes and Zavier Turner do this for their respective teams? They were both quick and got what they wanted while also making the occasionally starry eyed play. What happens if you were to put Evan Hymes and Khalil Richard on the floor at the same time? Does that team win 20 games? My point was more that Garwiche actually looks like he can run a team, not just be an energizer bunny. In fact, if we brought him here to be a Hymes or Turner, we got the wrong guy. He’s good off the bounce but he’s not a complete blow-by guy. The video I linked assuaged some of my concerns about him being a point guard. Am I sold? Not yet. And regarding your point earlier that you need Stars first, no star is around the last week of June. If you think there’s a guy out there who can help your team at this stage in the game, you do it. JC’s will still have 4 scholarships for next year, and I guarantee he wants Adams-Woods, Ings, Gill, or some combination of those 3 to come in and be a star PG. Siena got better today for next season, and they may have gotten better for the future. Who would you rather have? Georges Darwiche or Devon Baker? Georges Darwiche or Roman Penn?
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 25, 2018 16:17:56 GMT -5
My point was more that Garwiche actually looks like he can run a team, not just be an energizer bunny. In fact, if we brought him here to be a Hymes or Turner, we got the wrong guy. He’s good off the bounce but he’s not a complete blow-by guy. The video I linked assuaged some of my concerns about him being a point guard. Am I sold? Not yet. And regarding your point earlier that you need Stars first, no star is around the last week of June. If you think there’s a guy out there who can help your team at this stage in the game, you do it. JC’s will still have 4 scholarships for next year, and I guarantee he wants Adams-Woods, Ings, Gill, or some combination of those 3 to come in and be a star PG. Siena got better today for next season, and they may have gotten better for the future. Who would you rather have? Georges Darwiche or Devon Baker? Georges Darwiche or Roman Penn? Obviously would take Penn, and probably would take Baker (though given JP’s uncertain status at the time I didn’t do as much film study as perhaps I should have. If the bar you are setting is all-MAAC player in June, I think you are grading on the wrong scale. And with Penn, he averaged 3 assists a game and 2 turnovers. He’s a true PG without a doubt, but I’m not sure his floor vision was any better than Garviche’s from what I just watched.
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Post by Tony on Jun 25, 2018 16:21:12 GMT -5
I like what I see- He passes the eye test.Like most freshmen we will see how he adjusts to D1 ball. Kid has a tremendous quick release. Looks to be athletic, can get his own shot off,played at a very high level in Europe. What's not to like here?
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Post by Tony on Jun 25, 2018 16:24:19 GMT -5
"Who would you rather have? Georges Darwiche or Devon Baker? Georges Darwiche or Roman Penn? Devon Baker?? are you kidding me? I'd take Georges all day long As for Penn his upside was limited and he no longer wished to be here- so moot point
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Post by Quackman on Jun 25, 2018 16:29:06 GMT -5
My point was more that Garwiche actually looks like he can run a team, not just be an energizer bunny. In fact, if we brought him here to be a Hymes or Turner, we got the wrong guy. He’s good off the bounce but he’s not a complete blow-by guy. The video I linked assuaged some of my concerns about him being a point guard. Am I sold? Not yet. And regarding your point earlier that you need Stars first, no star is around the last week of June. If you think there’s a guy out there who can help your team at this stage in the game, you do it. JC’s will still have 4 scholarships for next year, and I guarantee he wants Adams-Woods, Ings, Gill, or some combination of those 3 to come in and be a star PG. Siena got better today for next season, and they may have gotten better for the future. Who would you rather have? Georges Darwiche or Devon Baker? Georges Darwiche or Roman Penn? Last I checked, neither was available nor were either particularly interested in being here once JP left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:29:58 GMT -5
Who would you rather have? Georges Darwiche or Devon Baker? Georges Darwiche or Roman Penn? Obviously would take Penn, and probably would take Baker (though given JP’s uncertain status at the time I didn’t do as much film study as perhaps I should have. If the bar you are setting is all-MAAC player in June, I think you are grading on the wrong scale. And with Penn, he averaged 3 assists a game and 2 turnovers. He’s a true PG without a doubt, but I’m not sure his floor vision was any better than Garviche’s from what I just watched. Penn brought other things...like rebounding and getting to the FT line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:31:34 GMT -5
"Who would you rather have? Georges Darwiche or Devon Baker? Georges Darwiche or Roman Penn? Devon Baker?? are you kidding me? I'd take Georges all day long As for Penn his upside was limited and he no longer wished to be here- so moot point That was an honest question for goldsaint. He said Baker. Baker rebounded and got a fair amount steals etc.. by the numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:33:12 GMT -5
We shall see. I think he's an Evan Hymes/Khalil Richard type. If he rebounds, defends, and creates for others then I will be happy to say I was wrong.
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Post by Quackman on Jun 25, 2018 16:39:07 GMT -5
I like what I see- He passes the eye test.Like most freshmen we will see how he adjusts to D1 ball. Kid has a tremendous quick release. Looks to be athletic, can get his own shot off,played at a very high level in Europe. What's not to like here? Yeah, what about his stats if he has played 30 minutes per game? Kid was playing with and behind grown men at the highest level in Romanian basketball. Maybe not the Euro League but still not playing against high school players either. This is the problem with solely looking at stats, you can read whatever you want into them. I am not saying he is the second coming but am firmly in the camp that this is a signing worth the risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:46:05 GMT -5
Ha, this is just like the Khalil Richard thread. I'm having deja vu. I got ripped in that one because I said he wasn't a PG or a defender and people flipped.
Alright. He's wicked good yo! No weaknesses whatsoever.
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