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Post by gorvy on Jun 4, 2018 8:35:45 GMT -5
I didn’t think Bridgeport was that bad as an alternative. Glens falls would look awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 8:51:01 GMT -5
On an average attendance basis in 2017, Siena was literally 28.9% of the game by game attendance. If you consider that a fair amount of Siena fans' travel to away games AND it was a down attendance year, Siena could easily be a much bigger % too.
Siena --------- 5,925 --- 28.9% (no UA home game) Monmouth --- 3,047 --- 14.9% (1st place) Iona ---------- 1,778 --- 8.7% Fairfield ------ 1,674 --- 8.2% Rider ---------- 1,549 --- 7.6% CC ------------ 1,315 --- 6.4% Quinny -------- 1,276 --- 6.2% Niagara ------- 1,189 --- 5.8% Marist --------- 1,157 --- 5.6% Manhattan --- - 1,069 --- 5.2% SPU -------------- 516 --- 2.5%
With Albany being the biggest MAAC market by far, it's hard to justify other places besides that which makes it easiest for a full 3rd of the MAAC fanbase. Given that it's on TV, all other venues are most likely destined to fail.
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Post by $cott on Jun 4, 2018 8:59:24 GMT -5
Why not consider giving the first game to the highest seeded team at their home court and move the next two days to a major site like the TU Center? That should spread the money around and level the playing field a bit. A lot of the ticket sales come from selling the all session passes especially to Siena fans. If you have the first rounds on campus sites then no one is going to buy all session passes until their team makes the semis. So you are now selling tickets to 4/11ths of your league rather than 11/11ths and the problem is far worse if Siena doesn't make the semis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 9:07:51 GMT -5
I just said on MAAC board. If teams are so hung up on 'neutral court' now on the off chance that they'll run into a good Siena team...they're not going to love having a 100% chance of being a true AWAY team if they're not the #1 seed and they're facing the #1 in the finals.
The higher seeds would win more often if they all got homecourt advantage and you'd almost completely lose that tournament aura.
The fact is, everyone is just in denial. And perhaps, they're also trying to keep the TUC from having all the power...which we all know that they pretty much have.
I fully expect that this time next year, Ensor will be calling up the TUC to start the bidding process...and he'll probably have even less negotiating power then.
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Post by gibbonshall on Jun 4, 2018 12:23:53 GMT -5
One of the reasons I rarely post on this board is because ideas and unconventional thinking are dismissed often in an insulting way rather than discussed and analyzed. Gorvy’s response to a different approach on the MAAC tournament is a case in point. Keep it up and the people left on this Borad will be a small firing squad organized in a nice, tight circle.
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Post by Quackman on Jun 4, 2018 12:40:06 GMT -5
One of the reasons I rarely post on this board is because ideas and unconventional thinking are dismissed often in an insulting way rather than discussed and analyzed. Gorvy’s response to a different approach on the MAAC tournament is a case in point. Keep it up and the people left on this Borad will be a small firing squad organized in a nice, tight circle. I don't like the idea either, sorry. (and trust me, I disagree with Gorvy often.) MAAC wants the tournament to be inclusive and all the teams to be in one spot. They have a dinner, give out awards and every team has a chance to create March madness and experience the highs that come with a tournament run. Plus, the maac makes a lot of their operating budget for the league off the tournament. The host team makes nothing off hosting the games. The MAAC has done it this way for as long as the Siena has been in the league, I'd hate to see them go away from it. I have no problem with trying new places and rotating the tournament. I'm all for a neutral site that is central to all the teams, which, by distance, would probably be Dutchess/Putnam/Westchester counties. Personally, I'd separate the Mens and womens tournaments to make scheduling a bit easier and cleaner. Also, I don't particularly like the attempts to make it easier for top seeds to win the tournament. (Beyond the fact that they haven't seemed to work in recent year.) Just my 2 cents.
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Post by gibbonshall on Jun 4, 2018 16:28:48 GMT -5
Thats’s a constructive comment Nolasaint. I was talking about “style” not substantive criticism.
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Post by sky on Jun 4, 2018 16:56:36 GMT -5
Thats’s a constructive comment Nolasaint. I was talking about “style” not substantive criticism. I have no problem with any site that is a common sense approach...we all have to take $ into consideration..maybe glens falls would be the answer...
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 5, 2018 12:27:34 GMT -5
GFCC is 50 miles from the closest MAAC school. Glens Falls?? Really? I wouldn't hold a college hockey tournament there, even though Clarkson, RPI, Union, St Lawrence, UVM are an easy drive. I'd lose my butt at the box office.
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Post by blockhead43 on Jun 5, 2018 14:51:19 GMT -5
I haven't been to GFCC in several years. I'm not sure if they have kept p with all the modern amenities that the MAAC is looking for in a building. Ex. Room for a large contingent of media; being able to make the arena go black before introductions and stuff like that. Hotel space could also be an issue. MAAC wants newer arenas with all the bells and whistles, and the school presidents want the event rotated. Fans and atmosphere be damned.
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Post by billmurray on Jun 6, 2018 8:46:45 GMT -5
I haven't been to GFCC in several years. I'm not sure if they have kept p with all the modern amenities that the MAAC is looking for in a building. Ex. Room for a large contingent of media; being able to make the arena go black before introductions and stuff like that. Hotel space could also be an issue. MAAC wants newer arenas with all the bells and whistles, and the school presidents want the event rotated. Fans and atmosphere be damned. I believe the MAAC presidents want the guarantee $. Full stop.
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Post by musicman on Jun 6, 2018 9:20:08 GMT -5
I've been up to the Glens Falls Civic Center a few times in the last couple of years for high school playoffs. It's a nice "little" facility. It wouldn't be big enough just to begin with. It seats a little under five thousand so if Siena was having a good run they wouldn't be able to accommodate the fans. Also, just getting into town off the Northway and than finding parking can be a nightmare. They really aren't a viable choice.
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Post by $cott on Jun 6, 2018 9:30:02 GMT -5
I've been up to the Glens Falls Civic Center a few times in the last couple of years for high school playoffs. It's a nice "little" facility. It wouldn't be big enough just to begin with. It seats a little under five thousand so if Siena was having a good run they wouldn't be able to accommodate the fans. Also, just getting into town off the Northway and than finding parking can be a nightmare. They really aren't a viable choice. Yeah, I think parking alone would disqualify Glens Falls but in addition where are you going to find places for 22 teams to practice? Hotels could be an issue too. Realistically there are two options and they are the only two options the MAAC should ever pursue: 1) TUC Center - centrally located with plenty of parking, hotels, and practice courts, will get biggest crowds but gives Siena home court advantage 2) Whoever puts up the biggest guarantee - straight money grab for years you have to appease the whiners upset with Siena getting home court advantage
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Post by gorvy on Jun 6, 2018 11:54:06 GMT -5
The last time they did a true neutral tourney it was at least somewhat close to Siena. Now, forget it. It may have less fans than mass mutual.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 6, 2018 11:57:01 GMT -5
I've been up to the Glens Falls Civic Center a few times in the last couple of years for high school playoffs. It's a nice "little" facility. It wouldn't be big enough just to begin with. It seats a little under five thousand so if Siena was having a good run they wouldn't be able to accommodate the fans. Also, just getting into town off the Northway and than finding parking can be a nightmare. They really aren't a viable choice. Most sessions of the maac tourney have less than 5,000 fans and the maac wouldn’t accommodate “Siena’s run”. But there are many other valid reasons not to choose glens falls as posted. Just saying that it would look great, not like all the other choices and the tuc when Siena stinks.
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