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Post by gibbonshall on Jun 2, 2018 15:01:27 GMT -5
Why not consider giving the first game to the highest seeded team at their home court and move the next two days to a major site like the TU Center? That should spread the money around and level the playing field a bit.
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Post by saints22 on Jun 2, 2018 15:06:21 GMT -5
How much is the league guaranteed for the duration of this contract?
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Post by olddave on Jun 2, 2018 22:11:49 GMT -5
Good question, Do we know what the guarantee was the past year and upcoming year?. Th at would be an interesting comparison.
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Post by laxcman on Jun 3, 2018 9:54:30 GMT -5
I guess my question is why does anyone expect the MAAC to draw anywhere besides Albany where Siena, when decent out draws most of the conference combined? Every place this tourney has been the attendance was awful, except Albany. Sure there where a couple years in Buffalo that produced a crazy number of paid seats but I guess everyone decided at the last minute not to show up or the MAAC was playing with the numbers or counting every free pass they gave away as paid attendance. MAAC basketball is not the draw some people think it is. When Manmoutj won 28 games did they even average 1,000 fans per game?
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Post by indian82 on Jun 3, 2018 10:31:26 GMT -5
Why not consider giving the first game to the highest seeded team at their home court and move the next two days to a major site like the TU Center? That should spread the money around and level the playing field a bit. I like that idea. Cut costs, give the schools a chance to host locally. But I think that would be 2 home court games given the PIGs, correct? So like you said, comes down to 2 days with 3 games at one site. And for fairness, rotate that site every year. I like this out of the box thinking.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 3, 2018 12:20:40 GMT -5
That is low major thinking.
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Post by indian82 on Jun 3, 2018 12:50:46 GMT -5
That is low major thinking. I know where you are coming from but this still gets it in a mid-major feel for the semis & finals. Not sure how high major it looks to have 3 PIG games, 4 quarterfinal games (and even iffy semi finals) essentially in an empty bldg (unless in Albany with Siena playing). In fact, to me it looks low-major trying to look high-major which is even worse IMHO. You still get the benefit of playing 2 days in something that resembles a decent mid-major tournament after weeding out the dregs in the 1st 2 rounds. And we haven't even discussed the potential 'home court advantage' for the entire tournament for a team that didn't necessarily earn it over the season or women's games that look even worse.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 3, 2018 13:25:32 GMT -5
I didn’t say anything about having to be high major.
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Post by indian82 on Jun 3, 2018 14:15:30 GMT -5
I didn’t say anything about having to be high major. My mistake. Replace high-major with mid-major. Still - do you think it looks even mid-major to have 3300 in a 12K arena? It may even be comparable to the other mid confs around us (Sun Belt (1400 attendance at their final), Big Sky (1378) & Ohio Valley (4280)), but Summit had 11K at their final - not sure if that is normal as it was 2 SD teams in So Dakota. Personally, I like the idea of the potential of a well-attended semi & final to look better on TV and to the 3 surviving teams. And the conf still gets to have a tourney with the 4 surviving teams in what could be a pretty decent environment and i think it would be considerably better than what we will get at AC. But like I said, I understand your concern about 'low-major thinking'.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 3, 2018 17:18:41 GMT -5
I didn’t say anything about having to be high major. My mistake. Replace high-major with mid-major. Still - do you think it looks even mid-major to have 3300 in a 12K arena? It may even be comparable to the other mid confs around us (Sun Belt (1400 attendance at their final), Big Sky (1378) & Ohio Valley (4280)), but Summit had 11K at their final - not sure if that is normal as it was 2 SD teams in So Dakota. Personally, I like the idea of the potential of a well-attended semi & final to look better on TV and to the 3 surviving teams. And the conf still gets to have a tourney with the 4 surviving teams in what could be a pretty decent environment and i think it would be considerably better than what we will get at AC. But like I said, I understand your concern about 'low-major thinking'. Many low major conferences do a similar idea or just have home conference tournaments. What sets a mid major apart from the low major conference is willingness to hold a single site tourney. In the maac’s case (and many other mid major tournaments) this is at the expense of attendance. It helps recruiting to be able to say that the tournament is going to be in a big arena. It also helps with media coverage. It just looks better regardless of attendance. Less low major. As an aside the timing of this move is encouraging to me— the rest of the league must be real worried about the coming of J.C.
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Post by glen on Jun 3, 2018 18:32:12 GMT -5
I doubt it has anything to do with JC. Since Siena has been down for a loooong time, the tournament attendance in Albany was nothing to write home about. There was no reason to keep it here - esp given the rebuild in front of us. It will probably be back for our next 3-peat in a few years :-)
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Post by gorvy on Jun 3, 2018 18:55:26 GMT -5
Pretty sure the league had no problem with the tourney in Albany as long as patsos was coach lol
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Post by dalydoseofhoops on Jun 3, 2018 21:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 8:08:12 GMT -5
This will probably fail as they all do and they'll be back at the TUC before you know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 8:32:02 GMT -5
You have to empathize with the other schools. AC is mid-major choice , made by mid-major college presidents and AD's. Not even close to the ECAC caliber people who made the same blunder. At least there is an aura of magic in LP. The best, and almost only alternative to TUC is Hartford (yeah, where "the measles kids played). The promotion has to begin there today. You at least get QU and Fairfield coverage, Marist, Iona and Siena are on the same part of the planet. Is this so hard to see? FF hosted it and it was poor. Springfield, poor. Why would Hartford be so much better? Don't get me wrong, it's a quick drive for me to either, but what will make MAAC fans drive when they can just as easily sit at home and watch all the games for free. That is the primary issue here. In Albany, between Siena and Marist, there's more fans that will get up and drive 10-15 mins to the game. In the other places, you're trying to get fans who hardly even show up for their own home games to try to travel for away games while making it inconvenient for the Siena fan base which is basically 30% of the MAAC's fans. If you disregarded the "neutral court" situation, you'd realize that having it anywhere but Albany is really just a bad financial decision by the numbers. As such, the tourney will just keep 'boomeranging' to and from Albany.
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