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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 8:39:08 GMT -5
IF my buddy JP signed this kid, I'd have the same reaction. Maybe even more upset since I knew they had seen him several times. The staff went to Shaker games all year.....to recruit the other kid, Cook (6'9" jr), not Seymour. Like I said, this kid supposedly has the most impressive list of schools of any recruit we've ever landed, so he should be held to that expectation. Day One starter, and major contributor. Theres enough intelligent posters on this board to figure out why this kid was going to prep school. Grades need work? Nope. Wants to get more scholarship offers? Nope, has (HAD is my opinion) dozens. Then why? And if he wants to get "stronger" and "better," then by all means go to prep school and we'll see you in '19. We need bodies now. No redshirting. We dont have that luxury. He jumped on that mid-major offer in May like a fat kid on a birthday cake. Ask yourself why...... The "birthday cake" you refer to in your "too cute by half" snide remark is a locally baked, on the rise, saintly angel food cake, frosted in green & gold; prepared and served by an new, hungry and competent "chef" - bon appetit! We fans will have our cake and eat it too. Perhaps a new dessert at Stout...just sayin' (it will be an especially tasty course after you've digested the egg on your face)! |
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Post by Sienafan on May 14, 2018 8:39:15 GMT -5
IF my buddy JP signed this kid, I'd have the same reaction. Maybe even more upset since I knew they had seen him several times. The staff went to Shaker games all year.....to recruit the other kid, Cook (6'9" jr), not Seymour. Like I said, this kid supposedly has the most impressive list of schools of any recruit we've ever landed, so he should be held to that expectation. Day One starter, and major contributor. Theres enough intelligent posters on this board to figure out why this kid was going to prep school. Grades need work? Nope. Wants to get more scholarship offers? Nope, has (HAD is my opinion) dozens. Then why? And if he wants to get "stronger" and "better," then by all means go to prep school and we'll see you in '19. We need bodies now. No redshirting. We dont have that luxury. He jumped on that mid-major offer in May like a fat kid on a birthday cake. Ask yourself why...... We get it bro. His game went into the tank and all his offers went away. Maybe JC is hoping he can restore him to form. In any event, it's a done deal. Let it go. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 14, 2018 8:52:53 GMT -5
IF my buddy JP signed this kid, I'd have the same reaction. Maybe even more upset since I knew they had seen him several times. The staff went to Shaker games all year.....to recruit the other kid, Cook (6'9" jr), not Seymour. Like I said, this kid supposedly has the most impressive list of schools of any recruit we've ever landed, so he should be held to that expectation. Day One starter, and major contributor. Theres enough intelligent posters on this board to figure out why this kid was going to prep school. Grades need work? Nope. Wants to get more scholarship offers? Nope, has (HAD is my opinion) dozens. Then why? And if he wants to get "stronger" and "better," then by all means go to prep school and we'll see you in '19. We need bodies now. No redshirting. We dont have that luxury. He jumped on that mid-major offer in May like a fat kid on a birthday cake. Ask yourself why...... We get it bro. His game went into the tank and all his offers went away. Maybe JC is hoping he can restore him to form. In any event, it's a done deal. Let it go. I dont think you do. He was recruited as a sophomore because of the "potential," he had. He's 6'8" and can shoot. Those 2 attributes are still there. His game hasnt changed. The schools on that list still went away, and thats why he was going to prep school. Two things you cant control: Athleticism and desire. SS lacks both. I loved everything JC was doing up til this. Future looked bright. Signing of Pickett showed me he wanted TOUGH kids that HATE LOSING and have the ability to apply the kind of pressure on the opponent where he can use a term like, "mayhem." |
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Post by mike60 on May 14, 2018 8:54:20 GMT -5
Where do some the posters on this site get their qualifications to make the negative judgements they do? Are they former coaches or Top 20 university players? Or do they simply have a high opinion of themselves through a looking glass of Budweiser?
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 14, 2018 8:57:23 GMT -5
Where do some the posters on this site get their qualifications to make the negative judgements they do? Are they former coaches or Top 20 university players? Or do they simply have a high opinion of themselves through a looking glass of Budweiser? I get it Mike, my frustration with this signing might be getting the best of me. Sorry if I offended you. Guess we'll see where it goes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 9:14:10 GMT -5
Martens, Wolfe, WB, Fisher, Heurter, Bisping, Degnan...
There's been a long line of face up 4's coming thru here the last few years. So far, we're basically 1 for a lot.
Aside from Bisping, we always run into the same problem:
They struggled to defend, score inside, or rebound.
Maybe some were used wrong or never realized their potential but we keep going down the same road.
If a big is only going to average 4 or 5 rebounds per 30 mins played and not block any shots anyway....you're better off just going with another athletic wing and forgetting about the slower face up 4....not to mention that in a Mayhem system you're better off with a 6-5 guy who can take care of the ball and run around forcing turnovers.
If it were me, I'd be recruiting PGs, big athletic ballhawking combo wings, and centers. If you can't handle the ball, force turnovers, rebound or block shots...I'd just move on.
I'd recruit a team of Penn's, Pickett's, Welch's, and then find a defensive center to cover your ass in the back of the press and rebound. If he scores over 9 ppg, it's a bonus.
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Post by indian82 on May 14, 2018 9:16:34 GMT -5
IF my buddy JP signed this kid, I'd have the same reaction. Maybe even more upset since I knew they had seen him several times. The staff went to Shaker games all year.....to recruit the other kid, Cook (6'9" jr), not Seymour. Like I said, this kid supposedly has the most impressive list of schools of any recruit we've ever landed, so he should be held to that expectation. Day One starter, and major contributor. Theres enough intelligent posters on this board to figure out why this kid was going to prep school. Grades need work? Nope. Wants to get more scholarship offers? Nope, has (HAD is my opinion) dozens. Then why? And if he wants to get "stronger" and "better," then by all means go to prep school and we'll see you in '19. We need bodies now. No redshirting. We dont have that luxury. He jumped on that mid-major offer in May like a fat kid on a birthday cake. Ask yourself why...... Again, I am not saying that the kid elite or is able to play at those schools. Obviously, he did not accept, but they DID offer. We know that happens not infrequently (Kids get offers higher than they can really play). But a few schools saw SOMETHING about the kid. I agree that I don’t think we should redshirt. But it also appears you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand, you don’t like the kid’s game; on the other you’re saying because of those offers you expect day one starter or he’s already a disappointment. Sounds like a backhand criticism of the kid, but mostly the coach's judgement. I am taking a position in between – our coach sees something that he thinks will help this team, I defer to his judgement and to how he intends to use him. In addition to Christian seeing something in Seymour for his system, another thought is that he wants to balance his classes – something the prior coach did not do well, IMHO. If he CAN’T get a better player now (mid-May), he doesn’t want to have too many scholarships to give away next year. That causes issues in itself, with regard to potential turnover, unhappiness and then not much PT to offer for a couple years, causing more recruiting issues. Like I said, this coach gets a pass from me 2 weeks in. |
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Post by Quackman on May 14, 2018 9:17:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get why this signing is a surprise to anyone. In all his interviews, the top two things coach looks for is Size and Shooting ability. This kid checks both those boxes. Looks like he had a better Jr year than he did a senior year. Perhaps due to blossoming of Shaker's other big? Actually he averaged 19 ppg and 6.8 rpg his senior year, so that wasn't too shabby either. It's what led to his St. John's offer. I don't know what's changed, but it's a fact that a lot of people wanted this guy last summer before his senior year. www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/7/24/16018312/st-johns-red-storm-basketball-2018-sloan-seymourThat was his junior year. (check the date of the article ... 7/24/17) Think he was around 15ppg as a Sr. |
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Post by rickyp on May 14, 2018 9:17:38 GMT -5
It's just opinions in my book and that's what we do.Some people have coaching or basketball knowledge.But it's still opinions at the end.You don't have to be a expert to have a opinion.But what I do see is HJ not liking Seymour from what he saw in person.If you can get a kid that had interest like that to not go post grad good.But if the things that had him going post grad keep happening not good.That's just the way it is with recruiting.I think the coach is building more towards the future not the right known.There's nothing wrong with that because i believe there's pieces on this team that don't fit him.And he may not won't to run off kids this late in the process.That's just my guess and opinion i might be wrong.If Penn does come back it would help out.But not make a difference a impact wing would also and your not getting that till next year MAYBE.Reality is this team will be more prepared and better coached.Some guys numbers will improve and them also.But i honestly see this being a 3rd year plan.That's depending on if he can get those impact MAAC players.Sorry of the thread.JMO
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Post by hoopdad on May 14, 2018 9:21:06 GMT -5
Is he Steve Seymour's kid? The former Siena assistant and Drexel HC?
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Post by Quackman on May 14, 2018 9:27:25 GMT -5
Martens, Wolfe, WB, Fisher, Heurter, Bisping, Degnan... There's been a long line of face up 4's coming thru here the last few years. So far, we're basically 1 for a lot. Aside from Bisping, we always run into the same problem: They struggled to defend, score inside, or rebound. Maybe some were used wrong or never realized their potential but we keep going down the same road. If a big is only going to average 4 or 5 rebounds per 30 mins played and not block any shots anyway....you're better of just going with another athletic wing and forgetting about the slower face up 4....not to mention that in a Mayhem system you're better off with a 6-5 guy who can take care of the ball and run around forcing turnovers. If it were me, I'd be recruiting PGs, big athletic combo wings, and centers. I have no idea if it's a good signing or not but I do trust that the coach is recruiting kids that fit his system. This gives him 3 big wing players (SS, Huerter and Camper) to fight for playing time alongside 3 guards and one big. That said, I agree that he needs to keep recruiting guards hard and that he also needs another Big as they'll only have Friday in the program after 2018/2019. |
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Post by Quackman on May 14, 2018 9:28:35 GMT -5
Is he Steve Seymour's kid? The former Siena assistant and Drexel HC? Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 9:37:47 GMT -5
Martens, Wolfe, WB, Fisher, Heurter, Bisping, Degnan... There's been a long line of face up 4's coming thru here the last few years. So far, we're basically 1 for a lot. Aside from Bisping, we always run into the same problem: They struggled to defend, score inside, or rebound. Maybe some were used wrong or never realized their potential but we keep going down the same road. If a big is only going to average 4 or 5 rebounds per 30 mins played and not block any shots anyway....you're better of just going with another athletic wing and forgetting about the slower face up 4....not to mention that in a Mayhem system you're better off with a 6-5 guy who can take care of the ball and run around forcing turnovers. If it were me, I'd be recruiting PGs, big athletic combo wings, and centers. I have no idea if it's a good signing or not but I do trust that the coach is recruiting kids that fit his system. This gives him 3 big wing players (SS, Huerter and Camper) to fight for playing time alongside 3 guards and one big. That said, I agree that he needs to keep recruiting guards hard and that he also needs another Big as they'll only have Friday in the program after 2018/2019. Seymour shoots threes...which is certainly part of JC's system. It will be up to JC to get the kid to fit into a press. My fear is that JC might 'Masiello" us a bit with the excess bigs. As long as he has a solid 1-3 that take care of the ball, it shouldn't get to be as bad as Manhattan, but it's something watch out for. If Penn stays and he gets a guy like Carey, he'd have 3 guards for 2020 who would seem to take care of the ball and create for others. That would be a start and better than Masiello with his tiny turnover prone combos. So we just have to see. But we still don't have our Pauly Paulicap center. I've been waiting for that since Jimmy essentially replaced Silas with Fisher. |
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 14, 2018 9:46:51 GMT -5
I’m still apprehensiive about this signing but after sleeping on it, I’m starting to like it. Maybe I’m just talking myself into it or have JC blinders on right now, but here are my thoughts. Interested to hear what you all think of them.
Where most of you (including myself) have seen Sloan is Shaker. Shaker’s guards were not good and they ran almost no pick and pop action for Sloan, which would be their best bet. No spacing either. Team was not well coached, knew a few guys who played for him and said he he was clueless. Right now, Sloan isn’t a player who can dominate a game even in high school because he isn’t a plus athlete nor does he have great ball skills.
However, for the Rens, he was very efficient, 8 points in 13 minutes a night. Didn’t do much else, but what he did, he was pretty darn good at. With the Rens, he played with a TON of talented guards and wings (Cormac Ryan, Luther Muhammad, Robby Carmody, Bryce Wills, Alan Griffin, and Khalid Moore are all going to P5 programs). They spaced the floor extremely well in a 4 out, 1 in offense, and Sloan thrived. He could pick and pop and be the beneficiary of drive and kick looks.
In Sloan’s interview with Michael Kelly, he says this on what Jamion pitched him on: “Just stretching the defense and playing five-out basketball,” That’s super hard to guard for any team. We want to create mayhem on the court.”
If Jamion is going to go all in on the 3 and not worry too much about losing on the boards (similar to what he did at MSM), Sloan fits that pretty well. If you give him space, he’s going to hit shots, and he can shoot over anyone in the MAAC with his size and quick release. Only thing he isn’t going to give you is anything defensively, but hopefully he becomes slightly less of a turnstile defensively with JC’s coaching and work in the weight room (that could help him rebound too). The long list that KK gave of stretch 4’s that didn’t pan out all played for coaches whose systems somewhat accentuated their weaknesses while not fully maximizing their strengths. If nothing else Sloan can be used as a role player off the bench, IMO. If he never develops beyond that, too bad. But JC was never going to get this kid if he prepped and developed, instead he gets a chance at developing himself as more than just a shooter.
The motor is the only thing that really concerns me, but i dont know how much of that is him being a quiet kid and how much is he actually doesn’t care.
Sorry for the essay everyone lol.
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Post by psycholojets on May 14, 2018 10:34:31 GMT -5
Not in the capital district so i have never seen the kid play. What i have heard about JC is that he has lost kids from MSM to higher programs. That tells me he is capable of identifying and maximizing player's strengths. I am optimistic that JC will coach up SS and we saints fans will reap the reward.
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