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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Mar 24, 2018 0:32:57 GMT -5
Now that the calling for the HC and AD's head's go is dieing down a bit, the further we get away from last season, and nothing appears to be happening as far as coaching/ad changes go, I ask this....
Do you trust the Administration? The AD? The HC? Are you OK with everything moving forward as the focus on the board is transitioning to recruitment?
Do you like how the use of the franciscan (sp?) spirit is used for reasoning to not let JP go but appear to be very hypocritical while looking the other way when student athletes appear to be getting squeezed out of the program for no reason other than talent level?
If that is the case, what level of talent does Rex have in the coaching world? Recruiting world? Game time decision world? Offensive scheme world? Player development world?
Choices for scholarships beyond Siena will be very limited or non existent for evwry one of these student athletes being forced out of the program; thus possibly seriously altering their paths in life?
If this is accurate, this really, really bothers me the most. Really bothers me! They are choosing money and coaches over student athletes lives?
Seriously. That is just so wrong on every level if accurate? All I say is dont forget. Dont get caught up with the talent level of this kid or that kid. Stay strong with your convictions if you agree with me.
If it appears they are not letting Rex go, and are seeking out scholarships that should not be available unless kids are leaving (and don't have a choice?), then don't renew your season tickets.
Don't spend another penny with Siena (even if they bring in great recruits) until changes are made. Not now. Not next year. Even if next season looks promising because of these new recruits.
If they are forcing kids out, that is just wrong. No way to dance around that one; even if it's legal to do since yes, we all know scholarships are one year renewable scholarships.
Morally in my book it's dead wrong and if it's morally wrong and intentional, not sure I want to spend another penny of my hard earned money supporting such a program until a cultural change is made.
And if money is their driving force in making decisions as it appears to be, then not having our money in numbers should be the driving force in Siena being forced to make changes at the top if they want to stay fiscally competitive moving forward.
Stay strong. Until changes are made, don't renew. Don't give. Don't financially support. Starting with the end of season banquet. It's the only way they will change.
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 24, 2018 6:30:58 GMT -5
I totally understand your position, however I see at least two sides to this story.
-what about the kid that blows up as a freshman and decides to transfer? Where is the loyalty, where are the Franciscan values?
-what about the kid who doesn’t like the coach or ad and decides to leave?
-what about the kid who doesn’t work out because he doesn’t put the effort required either physically or mentally?
-etc.
Regarding your sentiment of holding strong, I am. I’m waiting for a change, hopefully very soon. I haven’t given up hope. If that change is made, the program will be the biggest beneficiary.
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Post by gosaints on Mar 24, 2018 8:19:58 GMT -5
I totally understand your position, however I see at least two sides to this story. -what about the kid that blows up as a freshman and decides to transfer? Where is the loyalty, where are the Franciscan values? -what about the kid who doesn’t like the coach or ad and decides to leave? -what about the kid who doesn’t work out because he doesn’t put the effort required either physically or mentally? -etc. Regarding your sentiment of holding strong, I am. I’m waiting for a change, hopefully very soon. I haven’t given up hope. If that change is made, the program will be the biggest beneficiary. If the decision to leave is the "kids" I'm ok with that. However if the "kid" is forced to leave by the Siena Admin. I'm not!!! Lets remember for Siena to go into a "kids" home, sometimes thousands of miles away, and sell him and his family a "Bill of Goods" on why he should come to Siena to play ball and then cut him is absolutely morally wrong. Hold strong Saints Fans.
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 24, 2018 8:35:06 GMT -5
I totally understand your position, however I see at least two sides to this story. -what about the kid that blows up as a freshman and decides to transfer? Where is the loyalty, where are the Franciscan values? -what about the kid who doesn’t like the coach or ad and decides to leave? -what about the kid who doesn’t work out because he doesn’t put the effort required either physically or mentally? -etc. Regarding your sentiment of holding strong, I am. I’m waiting for a change, hopefully very soon. I haven’t given up hope. If that change is made, the program will be the biggest beneficiary. If the decision to leave is the "kids" I'm ok with that. However if the "kid" is forced to leave by the Siena Admin. I'm not!!! Lets remember for Siena to go into a "kids" home, sometimes thousands of miles away, and sell him and his family a "Bill of Goods" on why he should come to Siena to play ball and then cut him is absolutely morally wrong. Hold strong Saints Fans. Do you find “kid” offensive? I see both sides of the equation although I will grant you that the “kids” side should be given more leeway. If a kid shops around for a better situation chances are they are not giving their best effort to the school that provided them the opportunity. Sorry but I think you are missing my point.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Mar 24, 2018 8:40:50 GMT -5
Guys, it’s not wrong to force kids out IMO. It sucks, don’t get me wrong BUT it’s what you sign up for when you play D1 ball. If kids can leave whenever they want and you aren’t going hold kids hostage when they ask their release (which is also wrong) there shouldn’t be a problem with Siena asking them to leave year to year as long as you tell them early (late March or early April) so they have plenty of time to find a new home (That Patsos should help find).
Everyone runs off kids. It’s part of college basketball. Kids know what they are signing up for. Albany runs kids off, Iona runs kids off, Indiana runs kids off, Etc. Siena has to stop its holier than thou act if they want to win consistently at any level. If that means occasionally taking a JUCO or a low academic kid or a kid who has had some trouble in the past, I’m okay with that.
A new coach we wind up with will have an extremely tall task in front of them if you aren’t going to accept kids transferring out or half the talent we want to bring in.
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Post by siena7127 on Mar 24, 2018 9:31:16 GMT -5
In my eyes it is no different then cutting a kid at any level...kids at this level understand that...
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Post by gorvy on Mar 24, 2018 10:07:55 GMT -5
Guys, it’s not wrong to force kids out IMO. It sucks, don’t get me wrong BUT it’s what you sign up for when you play D1 ball. If kids can leave whenever they want and you aren’t going hold kids hostage when they ask their release (which is also wrong) there shouldn’t be a problem with Siena asking them to leave year to year as long as you tell them early (late March or early April) so they have plenty of time to find a new home (That Patsos should help find). Everyone runs off kids. It’s part of college basketball. Kids know what they are signing up for. Albany runs kids off, Iona runs kids off, Indiana runs kids off, Etc. Siena has to stop its holier than thou act if they want to win consistently at any level. If that means occasionally taking a JUCO or a low academic kid or a kid who has had some trouble in the past, I’m okay with that. A new coach we wind up with will have an extremely tall task in front of them if you aren’t going to accept kids transferring out or half the talent we want to bring in. Totally disagree, especially when said kid has to then wait a year before playing again. If that rule was eliminated then I would be with you. Just because Siena does it now when it never had to before (at least to this extent) doesn’t make it right. Now it works both ways the kid should stick it out if it’s not a force out situation.
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Post by legacy on Mar 24, 2018 10:12:12 GMT -5
Now that the calling for the HC and AD's head's go is dieing down a bit, the further we get away from last season, and nothing appears to be happening as far as coaching/ad changes go, I ask this.... Do you trust the Administration? The AD? The HC? Are you OK with everything moving forward as the focus on the board is transitioning to recruitment? Do you like how the use of the franciscan (sp?) spirit is used for reasoning to not let JP go but appear to be very hypocritical while looking the other way when student athletes appear to be getting squeezed out of the program for no reason other than talent level? If that is the case, what level of talent does Rex have in the coaching world? Recruiting world? Game time decision world? Offensive scheme world? Player development world? Choices for scholarships beyond Siena will be very limited or non existent for evwry one of these student athletes being forced out of the program; thus possibly seriously altering their paths in life? If this is accurate, this really, really bothers me the most. Really bothers me! They are choosing money and coaches over student athletes lives? Seriously. That is just so wrong on every level if accurate? All I say is dont forget. Dont get caught up with the talent level of this kid or that kid. Stay strong with your convictions if you agree with me. If it appears they are not letting Rex go, and are seeking out scholarships that should not be available unless kids are leaving (and don't have a choice?), then don't renew your season tickets. Don't spend another penny with Siena (even if they bring in great recruits) until changes are made. Not now. Not next year. Even if next season looks promising because of these new recruits. If they are forcing kids out, that is just wrong. No way to dance around that one; even if it's legal to do since yes, we all know scholarships are one year renewable scholarships. Morally in my book it's dead wrong and if it's morally wrong and intentional, not sure I want to spend another penny of my hard earned money supporting such a program until a cultural change is made. And if money is their driving force in making decisions as it appears to be, then not having our money in numbers should be the driving force in Siena being forced to make changes at the top if they want to stay fiscally competitive moving forward. Stay strong. Until changes are made, don't renew. Don't give. Don't financially support. Starting with the end of season banquet. It's the only way they will change.
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Post by legacy on Mar 24, 2018 10:19:08 GMT -5
Many people have echoed this sentiment several times-it is hypocritical to choose an abusive, self-serving blame deflecting coach over the Siena family we purport to be. I will,however, renew our season tickets which we've held in the family since the inception of D 1. They are ours and show my support of the team-the Siena student athletes who are part of my Siena family. I will NOT donate a dime to any scholarship fund or alumni fund or Saints Alive or any other event.
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Post by Papi on Mar 24, 2018 10:22:06 GMT -5
In my eyes it is no different then cutting a kid at any level...kids at this level understand that... It's a two way street, if a kid is not playing meaningful minutes he isn't helping the team other than a practice player cut him loose. There is no way you need a roster with 13 guys on scholarship, save a few for times like now and fill the roster with walk ons.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 24, 2018 10:56:22 GMT -5
Bottom line it's a business, not Little League. People get fired over losing. The people that disagree would also make a new coach inherit a bag of crap once he gets hired instead of allowing him to bring in his own players? Then judge him on message boards...lol
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Post by gorvy on Mar 24, 2018 11:00:13 GMT -5
Bottom line it's a business, not Little League. People get fired over losing. The people that disagree would also make a new coach inherit a bag of crap once he gets hired instead of allowing him to bring in his own players? Then judge him on message boards...lol . Haha some people get fired over losing. Others get free trips to California.
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Post by MTS on Mar 24, 2018 11:07:48 GMT -5
Bottom line it's a business, not Little League. People get fired over losing. The people that disagree would also make a new coach inherit a bag of crap once he gets hired instead of allowing him to bring in his own players? Then judge him on message boards...lol I agree with this... what really looks bad is when you make a ton of mistakes and run off your "own" guys. I've been no problem with a new head coach cleaning house. But it's division 1 basketball. You can do both move on from players but do it respectfully.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 24, 2018 11:10:31 GMT -5
Any coach we have hired mostly kept our “bag of crap” and won with them. Smh.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 24, 2018 11:18:59 GMT -5
Listening to ourselves it is very indicative that amateur athletics is an endangered species ... it has happened over an extended period of time w no chance of reverting ... just an observation w no idea/solution in sight.
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