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Post by siena12077 on Mar 9, 2018 11:45:37 GMT -5
Again, your statement that Albany has lost more kids than Siena is simply not factually accurate. Apples to apples over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 kids to transfer, Siena 9. Would you like to dispute that? Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. I agree that Siena loses them at a higher rate but audu and hopper weren't in the last 3 years
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 11:50:48 GMT -5
You are telling me that Siena over the last 3 years is almost doubling UA's defections 6vs11 and he's on here claiming that Albany has more transfers? This is what the basis is: www.verbalcommits.com/schools/siena6 if you don't count Nico yet www.verbalcommits.com/schools/albany11 I don't care enough to research the Albany guys to see who should still be there, just pointing out that this is where the claim originated from. Scott dont care what VC lists says. There obviously some inaccuracies. Look below and tell me we haven’t lost 11 since Jimbo’s tenure started.... and Nico is gone not on the roster so yes he counts... 2013-14 Wright Long White Wolfe Cole Lost 3 of 5 or 60% of this recruiting class Lost 5 counting Hopper and Audu who Jimmy didn’t recruit but transfered under his watch. 2014-15 Brandwijk Gottfried Paige Lost 3 of 3 or 100% of this recruiting class 2015-16 Wormley LaRose Nico Fisher Smithen Degnan Lost 3 of 6 or 50% of this recruiting class. Possibly 5 of 6 when it’s all said and done. 2016-17 Huerter Richard Shivers Friday Transfer TBD Patsos body count is 11
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 11:52:39 GMT -5
Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. I agree that Siena loses them at a higher rate but audu and hopper weren't in the last 3 years He's not very bright. He doesnt understand. THIS is the argument. TRANSFERS. Not records. We do that 24/7. He bought up the transfer rate, I showed him its way more normal than he thinks just by looking at the only other D-1 in the area.
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Post by Quackman on Mar 9, 2018 11:54:02 GMT -5
Again, your statement that Albany has lost more kids than Siena is simply not factually accurate. Apples to apples over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 kids to transfer, Siena 9. Would you like to dispute that? Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. Actually, think you are mistaken. If you use the 3 years that Clack is referring to, Siena has lost 5 scholarship players during that period (Paige, Clareth, Wormley, LaRose and Willem B.) Cole, Adu, Hopper, White & Wolfe all left prior to the time frame Clack references.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 11:54:29 GMT -5
I agree that Siena loses them at a higher rate but audu and hopper weren't in the last 3 years He's not very bright. He doesnt understand. THIS is the argument. TRANSFERS. Not records. We do that 24/7. He bought up the transfer rate, I showed him its way more normal than he thinks just by looking at the only other D-1 in the area. I’m talking about Patsos tenure no more no less. Nowhere did I say last 3 years. Confusion because clack started with 6 years Body count is 11 ... you question that?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 11:56:11 GMT -5
Scott dont care what VC lists says. There obviously some inaccuracies. Look below and tell me we haven’t lost 11 since Jimbo’s tenure started.... and Nico is gone not on the roster so yes he counts... 2013-14 Wright Long White Wolfe Cole Lost 3 of 5 or 60% of this recruiting class Lost 5 counting Hopper and Audu who Jimmy didn’t recruit but transfered under his watch. 2014-15 Brandwijk Gottfried Paige Lost 3 of 3 or 100% of this recruiting class 2015-16 Wormley LaRose Nico Fisher Smithen Degnan Lost 3 of 6 or 50% of this recruiting class. Possibly 5 of 6 when it’s all said and done. 2016-17 Huerter Richard Shivers Friday Transfer TBD Patsos body count is 11 Nico doesnt count. He is taking classes at the school. You can count him when/if he actually transfers. Tell your guy clicky that youre going to count Smithen too, even though he graduated, and the kid knows we have no grad programs so he'll play his 5th year somewhere else. UA kid Lands I believe did the same thing. Graduated, but left with eligibility. So he counts just like Smithen will.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 11:57:39 GMT -5
Scott dont care what VC lists says. There obviously some inaccuracies. Look below and tell me we haven’t lost 11 since Jimbo’s tenure started.... and Nico is gone not on the roster so yes he counts... 2013-14 Wright Long White Wolfe Cole Lost 3 of 5 or 60% of this recruiting class Lost 5 counting Hopper and Audu who Jimmy didn’t recruit but transfered under his watch. 2014-15 Brandwijk Gottfried Paige Lost 3 of 3 or 100% of this recruiting class 2015-16 Wormley LaRose Nico Fisher Smithen Degnan Lost 3 of 6 or 50% of this recruiting class. Possibly 5 of 6 when it’s all said and done. 2016-17 Huerter Richard Shivers Friday Transfer TBD Patsos body count is 11 Nico doesnt count. He is taking classes at the school. You can count him when/if he actually transfers. Tell your guy clicky that youre going to count Smithen too, evened though he graduated, and the kid knows we have no grad programs so he'll play his 5th year somewhere else. UA kid Lands I believe did the same thing. Graduated, but left with eligibility. So he counts just like Smithen will. Ba ha ha of course they don’t lmfao Does Smithen and Degnan have eligibility? Were they recruited expecting them to leave early. Your unwavering defense of Patsos is priceless. Jumbo needs room to correct his recruiting blunders to get ready for rebuild v. 1.6. It’s spring cleaning time .. just waiting for the latest fallout
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 12:03:00 GMT -5
He's not very bright. He doesnt understand. THIS is the argument. TRANSFERS. Not records. We do that 24/7. He bought up the transfer rate, I showed him its way more normal than he thinks just by looking at the only other D-1 in the area. I’m talking about over Patsos tenure no more no less. Nowhere did I say last 3 years. Read moron! Body count is 11 ... you question that? You're saying it now because I embarrassed you with the current roster/defections. So you expanded it to fit your 24/7 witch hunt. We get it, JP has to go.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 12:05:33 GMT -5
I’m talking about over Patsos tenure no more no less. Nowhere did I say last 3 years. Read moron! Body count is 11 ... you question that? You're saying it now because I embarrassed you with the current roster/defections. So you expanded it to fit your 24/7 witch hunt. We get it, JP has to go. Lmafo you’re such a child. Is the body count 11 or not? It’s the same info I’ve been posting for months. Nothing has changed genius.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 12:05:38 GMT -5
Nico doesnt count. He is taking classes at the school. You can count him when/if he actually transfers. Tell your guy clicky that youre going to count Smithen too, evened though he graduated, and the kid knows we have no grad programs so he'll play his 5th year somewhere else. UA kid Lands I believe did the same thing. Graduated, but left with eligibility. So he counts just like Smithen will. Ba ha ha of course they don’t lmfao Does Smithen and Degnan have eligibility? Were they recruited expecting them to leave early. Your unwavering defense of Patsos is priceless. Jumbo need room to correct his recruiting blunders to get ready for rebuild v. 1.6 This is defending Patsos? This is me calling you a fool. You expect a kid that graduated to stay at Siena to play his 5th year despite our school not having any grad programs? Thats makes you a moron, but anything to prove, even if it doesnt make sense, what we all already know.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 12:06:28 GMT -5
Ba ha ha of course they don’t lmfao Does Smithen and Degnan have eligibility? Were they recruited expecting them to leave early. Your unwavering defense of Patsos is priceless. Jumbo need room to correct his recruiting blunders to get ready for rebuild v. 1.6 This is defending Patsos. This is me calling you a fool. You expect a kid that graduated to stay at Siena to play his 5th year despite our school not having any grad programs? Thats makes you a moron, but anything to prove, even if it doesnt make sense, what we all already know. 11 or not genius
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Post by Quackman on Mar 9, 2018 12:07:17 GMT -5
Again, your statement that Albany has lost more kids than Siena is simply not factually accurate. Apples to apples over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 kids to transfer, Siena 9. Would you like to dispute that? Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. Hey OI, here is why they are referencing 3 years. Clack states that over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 and Siena, 9. This is factually incorrect. Siena has lost 5 over that time frame. You then added Hopper and Audu, who also left prior to that time frame. JP should absolutely be taken to task for having no seniors and/or impact Jr's on the current roster. No one disputes that. But the transfer pattern, overall, out of JP's Saints over 5 years is not all that different than Albany or the other MAAC programs.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 12:13:46 GMT -5
Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. Hey OI, here is why they are referencing 3 years. Clack states that over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 and Siena, 9. This is factually incorrect. Siena has lost 5 over that time frame. You then added Hopper and Audu, who also left prior to that time frame. JP should absolutely be taken to task for having no seniors and/or impact Jr's on the current roster. No one disputes that. But the transfer pattern, overall, out of JP's Saints over 5 years is not all that different than Albany or the other MAAC programs. Wow, someone else out here actually gets it. I agree with EVERY word you wrote, because its common sense. Dont hold your breathe on OI getting it, or backing up. He's the lead car on the "trash the program everyday" train.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 12:18:07 GMT -5
Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. Hey OI, here is why they are referencing 3 years. Clack states that over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 and Siena, 9. This is factually incorrect. Siena has lost 5 over that time frame. You then added Hopper and Audu, who also left prior to that time frame. JP should absolutely be taken to task for having no seniors and/or impact Jr's on the current roster. No one disputes that. But the transfer pattern, overall, out of JP's Saints over 5 years is not all that different than Albany or the other MAAC programs. Thank you. I understand and maybe that is where the argument became muddled, I am talking about JPs tenure (when I said over that period). Look I’m only stating our numbers and not arguing UAs. Both are not great. However I’m more concerned with ours having lost 65% of the players from our first 3 recruiting classes (with more ensuing) and the loss of 11 players over JPs tenure. Totally unacceptable numbers. My point is simple. HJ can spin it anyway he likes but the fact remains those numbers are undeniable and JPs not winning with that kind of turnover... 5 years is living proof. HJ deflected the issue (as usual) by dragging UA into the equation, UA isn’t the problem. As far as what’s acceptable I believe the NCAA avg is around 40% plus we’re at 60% plus over JPs first three classes with more coming. That’s an issue and unacceptable. I’ve seen enough of HJ posts when it comes to anything Patsos related and it’s either deflection or excuses. Sorry that dog don’t hunt!
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Post by clickclack on Mar 9, 2018 12:27:02 GMT -5
Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. Hey OI, here is why they are referencing 3 years. Clack states that over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 and Siena, 9. This is factually incorrect. Siena has lost 5 over that time frame. You then added Hopper and Audu, who also left prior to that time frame. JP should absolutely be taken to task for having no seniors and/or impact Jr's on the current roster. No one disputes that. But the transfer pattern, overall, out of JP's Saints over 5 years is not all that different than Albany or the other MAAC programs. I introduced 3 years...as an orbitrary cuttoff...so that's my bad if that introduced confusion. It's probably fair for the purposes of this exercise to consider the entire coaches tenure.
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