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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2018 19:00:55 GMT -5
This is getting painful [img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png" class="smile" alt=" "] It’s been agonizing for 5 years now!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 8, 2018 21:58:26 GMT -5
We live in litigious society. I have no idea who you are-you could be Mrs P for all I know. Hmm. I wonder why so many players have left? 70% is a rather large percentage. But there are none so blind as those who will not see. Let me ask you this: would you want your son to play for him? UAlbany has had more kids leave their program, must be a big issue, besides no one going to Sat night playoff games, over there huh?
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Post by glen on Mar 9, 2018 7:22:25 GMT -5
D'Arg did respond to my note. It does appear the admins don't like finishing at the bottom of the league either. While I admire your persistence in writing Darg, either elaborate or keep,it,to,yourself if you feel it was personal and confidential. I also know people afflicted with the program, but do not divulge by name or even that I have contacted them for professional reasons. Even saying Darg answered your correspondence could possibly kill any further communication he has with you, I am sure he is reading this board. "Afflicted with the program" - like herpes? :-) I'm sure he's NOT reading this board. Additionally, just posting that he responded and the general tone isn't out of line. That said, I chose not post my note or his direct response as I'm interested in real change not being the town crier. My point being that what he didn't do was simply reiterate what he said in the media 2-3 weeks ago - which is what he's done in the past on topics like conference realignment (when that was a distant possibility).
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Post by clickclack on Mar 9, 2018 9:35:44 GMT -5
We live in litigious society. I have no idea who you are-you could be Mrs P for all I know. Hmm. I wonder why so many players have left? 70% is a rather large percentage. But there are none so blind as those who will not see. Let me ask you this: would you want your son to play for him? UAlbany has had more kids leave their program, must be a big issue, besides no one going to Sat night playoff games, over there huh? Your continued deflection and dragging UA into excusing the shortcomings of your BFF are hilarious. Why don't you tell me when Will Brown lost 70% of his kids to transfers...many of your recent posts read like this... Someone: Patsos is a failed coach, exibit a, exibit b... HJ: Yeah, but have seen UA attendance last Saturday night? or come up with something more original than basically what amounts to, HEY LOOK, OVER THERE!!!!!
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Post by clickclack on Mar 9, 2018 10:24:11 GMT -5
We live in litigious society. I have no idea who you are-you could be Mrs P for all I know. Hmm. I wonder why so many players have left? 70% is a rather large percentage. But there are none so blind as those who will not see. Let me ask you this: would you want your son to play for him? UAlbany has had more kids leave their program, must be a big issue, besides no one going to Sat night playoff games, over there huh? P.S. since you brought it up...here is Albany's track record for early departures. So by year players that left before their eligibility expired...I think that's more accurate then looking at seniors etc. 2017 departures - 23% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Marquis Grayson - Lands - Martin-Garcia 2016 departures - 8% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Peters 2015 departures - 15% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Baker - Green 2014 departures - 23% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Haas - Shengalia - Egharevba 2013 departures - 0% of the roster left before eligibility expired - N/A 2012 departures - 23% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Suero - Aronhalt - *caveat, he graduated to go to Maryland as UA didn't offer graduate degree he really wanted but still counts. He was red-shirted freshman year due to stress fracture. - Watts I can keep going...but over the last 6 years, Brown has lost to transfers (not graduation)...on average 15% of scholarship players. I have NO IDEA what these numbers look like for Siena but this is well in-line with current D1 trends so not sure what you are getting at dragging UA into this. Over a period of 6 years, 12 players left the program early. Everyone but Aronhalt and Peters went to sub-d1 schools. Aronhalt to grad school and Peters closer to girlfriend in Cali.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 10:31:08 GMT -5
UAlbany has had more kids leave their program, must be a big issue, besides no one going to Sat night playoff games, over there huh? Your continued deflection and dragging UA into excusing the shortcomings of your BFF are hilarious. Why don't you tell me when Will Brown lost 70% of his kids to transfers...many of your recent posts read like this... Someone: Patsos is a failed coach, exibit a, exibit b... HJ: Yeah, but have seen UA attendance last Saturday night? or come up with something more original than basically what amounts to, HEY LOOK, OVER THERE!!!!! Deflection, or fact? I know the haters (see "likes" above) pound away at transfer rates, and I need to educate them that it's a common practice. Particularity at the other D-1 school down the street. You and the other program haters point go % and I simply reminded them that MORE KIDS HAVE LEFT UA THAN SIENA. All I can say if you don't like the fact bashing of your program, don't come onto his board. You've fooled the small core of babies on this forum that you're "just a hoop fan having fun." Lmao, but the ones that "get it" know you're here to bash Siena at every turn. Can't blame you though. If I had that many suckers on the hook, I'd keep playing along too
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Post by clickclack on Mar 9, 2018 10:32:33 GMT -5
Your continued deflection and dragging UA into excusing the shortcomings of your BFF are hilarious. Why don't you tell me when Will Brown lost 70% of his kids to transfers...many of your recent posts read like this... Someone: Patsos is a failed coach, exibit a, exibit b... HJ: Yeah, but have seen UA attendance last Saturday night? or come up with something more original than basically what amounts to, HEY LOOK, OVER THERE!!!!! Deflection, or fact? I know the haters (see "likes" above) pound away at transfer rates, and I need to educate them that it's a common practice. Particularity at the other D-1 school down the street. You and the other program haters point go % and I simply reminded them that MORE KIDS HAVE LEFT UA THAN SIENA. All I can say if you don't like the fact bashing of your program, don't come onto his board. You've fooled the small core of babies on this forum that you're "just a hoop fan having fun." Lmao, but the ones that "get it" know you're here to bash Siena at every turn. Can't blame you though. If I had that many suckers on the hook, I'd keep playing along too LOL! Source for bolded please...by my count... Albany has lost 12 kids in 6 years, Siena has lost 9 in 3.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 10:35:10 GMT -5
UAlbany has had more kids leave their program, must be a big issue, besides no one going to Sat night playoff games, over there huh? P.S. since you brought it up...here is Albany's track record for early departures. So by year players that left before their eligibility expired...I think that's more accurate then looking at seniors etc. 2017 departures - 23% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Marquis Grayson - Lands - Martin-Garcia 2016 departures - 8% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Peters 2015 departures - 15% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Baker - Green 2014 departures - 23% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Haas - Shengalia - Egharevba 2013 departures - 0% of the roster left before eligibility expired - N/A 2012 departures - 23% of the roster left before eligibility expired - Suero - Aronhalt - *caveat, he graduated to go to Maryland as UA didn't offer graduate degree he really wanted but still counts. He was red-shirted freshman year due to stress fracture. - Watts I can keep going...but over the last 6 years, Brown has lost to transfers (not graduation)...on average 15% of scholarship players. I have NO IDEA what these numbers look like for Siena but this is well in-line with current D1 trends so not sure what you are getting at dragging UA into this. Over a period of 6 years, 12 players left the program early. Everyone but Aronhalt and Peters went to sub-d1 schools. Aronhalt to grad school and Peters closer to girlfriend in Cali. All wonderful numbers but the comparison was this current 4 year group. You can shade it anyway you want, but you have 7 kids that are supposed to be seniors at UA THIS YEAR, that aren't. Started there, didn't finish there. Get it? Research is simple: verbalcommits.com
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Post by clickclack on Mar 9, 2018 10:36:49 GMT -5
Again, your statement that Albany has lost more kids than Siena is simply not factually accurate. Apples to apples over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 kids to transfer, Siena 9. Would you like to dispute that?
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 11:20:25 GMT -5
Again, your statement that Albany has lost more kids than Siena is simply not factually accurate. Apples to apples over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 kids to transfer, Siena 9. Would you like to dispute that? Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch.
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Post by siena95 on Mar 9, 2018 11:24:04 GMT -5
So is this more of a "Brown's tire fire of recruiting isn't as bad as JP's tire fire of recruiting" argument? whatever Will is doing, he wins 20+ a year now. No one cares as much at transfer rates when you are winning. When you are losing, a LOT, you suck at recruiting AND you can't even keep the kids you do get, well, that is going to get tacked on to long list of issues/problems fans and admin may have.
Example one -- Siena wins 24 games, loses in MAAC final --- 3 kids transfer out --- conversation is this from admin "great season Jimmy - we are disappointed to have some kids transferring out, let's try and work on that"
Example 2 -- Siena wins 8 games bows out it quarters of MAAC -- 3 kids transfer out -- conversation is that "Jimmy, we can't have this revolving door of players, transferring 3-4 a year hurts us as a program and a college, this needs to stop"
winning cures most evils.. unless you are Pitino, nothing can cure that!
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Post by clickclack on Mar 9, 2018 11:31:02 GMT -5
Again, your statement that Albany has lost more kids than Siena is simply not factually accurate. Apples to apples over the last 3 years, Albany has lost 6 kids to transfer, Siena 9. Would you like to dispute that? Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. You are telling me that Siena over the last 3 years is almost doubling UA's defections 6vs11 and he's on here claiming that Albany has more transfers?
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Post by $cott on Mar 9, 2018 11:44:19 GMT -5
Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. You are telling me that Siena over the last 3 years is almost doubling UA's defections 6vs11 and he's on here claiming that Albany has more transfers? This is what the basis is: www.verbalcommits.com/schools/siena6 if you don't count Nico yet www.verbalcommits.com/schools/albany11 I don't care enough to research the Albany guys to see who should still be there, just pointing out that this is where the claim originated from.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2018 11:44:41 GMT -5
These 7 kids were SUPPOSED to be seniors at UAlbany this year, according to the Verbal Commits site, but transferred:
Marqueese Grayson Michael Wells Stepahn Jiggets Jamir Andrews Chas Brown Jaraan Lands Terrel Martin
This is ONE class. I'm not including Wheeler Baker, Max Twyman, Geremy McKay or Kyle McKinley.
11 kids in 3 years
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2018 11:44:44 GMT -5
Actually if you’re taking a body count Siena lost 11 over that period Adu and Hopper transfered under Jimbo’s watch. You are telling me that Siena over the last 3 years is almost doubling UA's defections 6vs11 and he's on here claiming that Albany has more transfers? Sad but given the numbers above, true. Let’s see the fallout after this season I’m guessing 2-3 maybe 4 additional.
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