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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 8:48:49 GMT -5
Not a bad idea? Actually a great idea. If a D-3 Coach is getting paid a $100k per year (?), tell #4, the only way Siena can afford to make a change and fire Patsos and give Brown a chance at becoming a D-1 HC is by paying Brown $150k a year for the next 3 yrs. If he does well, his big pay day will come in yr 4 with a new contract. No contract extensions. No increases. Nothing new until year #4. If he doesn't work out, then we go looking with no payouts required. As long as Brown can swallow his pride knowing that Patsos will be getting paid 3 times more than him for not being employed by Siena, it is basically the equivalent of costing Siena a 1 yr buyout year, which is a lot more affordable than a 3 yr million dollar plus buyout. It would definately energize the fan base into not only keeping current Siena ticket holders from fleeing in mass exodus as will happen next yr if Rex is still around, it would probably with the right marketing program in place with Marc Brown being all over everything Siena, spark an increase in not only season ticket sales but game day walk up sales as well. That increase in revenue would also lessen the cost of the buyout that much more. Being a D-1 HC is not rocket science. Though different, being a mid major D-1 HC is not that much different from being a D-3 HC, especially if that person is a former really good D-1 player who went on to successfully play professional basketball for 10 (+) years and knows how to recognize D-1 talent out on the recruiting trail. I would take Show Biz in a heartbeat over So-So for the next 3 yrs if he is willing to come at a way below market price for being a D-1 HC at this level for the next 3 yrs? If it's Marc Brown's goal to become a D-1 HC, it seems like a pretty good risk on his part as well. Could be a win-win for all involved. I hope they really consider approaching him with this type of scenario. And as an icing on the cake type of scenario Brown is a NJ kid with I am sure, all sorts of contacts in the talent rich NYC/NJ Metropolitan area. Bring Back Show-Biz for Show-Time! so what youre saying is that a guy who is perhaps the best to have ever played at Siena and is successful in his current situation gets offered peanuts while someone unrelated to the program who had a career of mediocrity and 1 NCAA appearance in 9 or 10 years, has done squat since hes been here besides slowly erode the quality of recruits gets to back up the cash truck and of course just keep on collecting. I agree with others. I dont think Brown is the solution. I think the program needs a giant colon cleansing. Your ANALysis is, as usual, spot on (and try not to get some of the inevitable spots on you)....
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Post by greenblood on Feb 21, 2018 9:13:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they have would even qualify to be a "process" let alone a hiring one.... exactly.............worst of all is that it has not been a consistent system/process................this isn't their first rodeo so to speak, a plan should have been in place all along................... Tom can coach. I doubt Kevin would ever come back to Siena...in fact I bet he is thinking maybe he should have gone to Villanova.....I sure am after two seasons of watching Turgeon. And I love Marc but agree that it would be a slap in the face to make him a 'discount' solution to an enormous mistake of over payment for qualifications to JP> Just my 2 cents.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 21, 2018 9:35:30 GMT -5
does anyone have info as to why Hewitt visited recently? ?
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Feb 21, 2018 9:57:04 GMT -5
You are all giving reasons why it would be a slap in the face to Marc Brown if he were offered $150k if lets say for example he is currently making $100k at two levels below what he aspires to be....and if its actually true, to become a D-1 HC.
From his perspective, it's like getting out of jail by rolling double 5's and going directly to free parking and collecting the free cash.
From his perspective, it's a no brainer.
From Siena's perspective, it's an affordable way to rid itself of the s _ _ t show that's been going on at Siena for the past 8 yrs with very little risk involved (assuming you can't afford to pay Rex and pay another market value HC at the same time for the next 3 yrs.) when you have few alternatives to choose from.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 21, 2018 10:19:12 GMT -5
There is no quick easy fix to this situation. We just have to wait.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:19:20 GMT -5
does anyone have info as to why Hewitt visited recently? ? I did not like his roster management at his last 2 stops, either. I used to watch a fair amount of his GTech games. He skimped on quality guards over and over.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 21, 2018 10:25:41 GMT -5
does anyone have info as to why Hewitt visited recently? ? I did not like his roster management at his last 2 stops, either. I used to watch a fair amount of his GTech games. He skimped on quality guards over and over. he lost a few to the NBA..............
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:42:43 GMT -5
I did not like his roster management at his last 2 stops, either. I used to watch a fair amount of his GTech games. He skimped on quality guards over and over. he lost a few to the NBA.............. Since 2002 (14 years), Hewitt's TO% on offense averages 222nd in the nation. His teams turn the ball over like crazy. He skimped on guards. He had no idea how to recruit PGs. At George Mason, once Bryon Allen graduated (whom Larranga recruited), his team fell apart. Hewitt might actually be a downgrade from Jimmy at this stage in his career.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 21, 2018 11:07:28 GMT -5
he lost a few to the NBA.............. Since 2002 (14 years), Hewitt's TO% on offense averages 222nd in the nation. His teams turn the ball over like crazy. He skimped on guards. He had no idea how to recruit PGs. At George Mason, once Bryon Allen graduated (whom Larranga recruited), his team fell apart. Hewitt might actually be a downgrade from Jimmy at this stage in his career. Allen was a Fran recruit, was headed here with Basabe had he stayed.......................a downgrade from JP, highly doubt it................not saying that Paul is the answer now, but he was 66-27 at Siena (best winning pct of any Siena coach), plus 38-16 in the MAAC (also best winning pct), went to 3 MAAC finals in each of his 3 seasons (never finished lower than 3rd)..........his worst day as a coach laps JP by a hundred miles...................
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 11:19:01 GMT -5
Since 2002 (14 years), Hewitt's TO% on offense averages 222nd in the nation. His teams turn the ball over like crazy. He skimped on guards. He had no idea how to recruit PGs. At George Mason, once Bryon Allen graduated (whom Larranga recruited), his team fell apart. Hewitt might actually be a downgrade from Jimmy at this stage in his career. Allen was a Fran recruit, was headed here with Basabe had he stayed.......................a downgrade from JP, highly doubt it................not saying that Paul is the answer now, but he was 66-27 at Siena (best winning pct of any Siena coach), plus 38-16 in the MAAC (also best winning pct), went to 3 MAAC finals in each of his 3 seasons (never finished lower than 3rd)..........his worst day as a coach laps JP by a hundred miles................... Hewitt is better defensively than Jimmy overall. That would be his primary edge. I would just be concerned with his roster decisions at guard, especially as it pertained to offense and ball control. At this level and this stage in his career, he might be kind of like a Masiello style wise. Gritty on D but recruiting crappy guards and too many bigs...so always middling and underperforming expectations because he lacks the guard play.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 21, 2018 11:36:05 GMT -5
Allen was a Fran recruit, was headed here with Basabe had he stayed.......................a downgrade from JP, highly doubt it................not saying that Paul is the answer now, but he was 66-27 at Siena (best winning pct of any Siena coach), plus 38-16 in the MAAC (also best winning pct), went to 3 MAAC finals in each of his 3 seasons (never finished lower than 3rd)..........his worst day as a coach laps JP by a hundred miles................... Hewitt is better defensively than Jimmy overall. That would be his primary edge. I would just be concerned with his roster decisions at guard, especially as it pertained to offense and ball control. At this level and this stage in his career, he might be kind of like a Masiello style wise. Gritty on D but recruiting crappy guards and too many bigs...so always middling and underperforming expectations because he lacks the guard play. not sure what his style would be today, but Hewitt pressed man to man full court and was up-tempo offense all the time.........his PG was not essentially to create but to get the ball up the court mucho fast and find the open guy, where they either took the 3 or drove to the basket..........they did foul a lot, a symptom of that constant man D pressure, but it also wore down opponents, the last 5 minutes of every game is why Siena won so much under him.............he had them in extremely fantastic condition........they also shot FT's really well, got to the line regularly, one season they led the nation and finished 2nd another yr.........
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Post by billmurray on Feb 21, 2018 13:26:09 GMT -5
You are all giving reasons why it would be a slap in the face to Marc Brown if he were offered $150k if lets say for example he is currently making $100k at two levels below what he aspires to be....and if its actually true, to become a D-1 HC. From his perspective, it's like getting out of jail by rolling double 5's and going directly to free parking and collecting the free cash. From his perspective, it's a no brainer. From Siena's perspective, it's an affordable way to rid itself of the s _ _ t show that's been going on at Siena for the past 8 yrs with very little risk involved (assuming you can't afford to pay Rex and pay another market value HC at the same time for the next 3 yrs.) when you have few alternatives to choose from. A few assumptions here may be incorrect. 1. Brown is continuing his father’s legacy at his current job. That may be his goal, not coaching at the DI level. 2. The recruiting at Siena is the key to success. Proven success at DI recruiting is critical and any candidate. To assume a DIII coach will be successful is a huge leap. 3. Assuming Brown should accept “half pay” for a job you assume he will be be successful at is as stated before more than an insult to Brown. 4. Assuming any candidate would not be represented by a qualified agent who would demand the normal protections for his client i.e. buy out clauses and annual incentives is absurd. 5. To assume Brown, who had a long and successful pro sports career would not be represented by an professional agent is a insult to his business acumen and goes beyond the absurd. 6. Assuming the rebuilding of Siena basketball is a job that at a discounted salary And no job security is a no brainer perhaps was an idea conceived without engaging a brain.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 21, 2018 14:23:59 GMT -5
Allen was a Fran recruit, was headed here with Basabe had he stayed.......................a downgrade from JP, highly doubt it................not saying that Paul is the answer now, but he was 66-27 at Siena (best winning pct of any Siena coach), plus 38-16 in the MAAC (also best winning pct), went to 3 MAAC finals in each of his 3 seasons (never finished lower than 3rd)..........his worst day as a coach laps JP by a hundred miles................... Hewitt is better defensively than Jimmy overall. That would be his primary edge. I would just be concerned with his roster decisions at guard, especially as it pertained to offense and ball control. At this level and this stage in his career, he might be kind of like a Masiello style wise. Gritty on D but recruiting crappy guards and too many bigs...so always middling and underperforming expectations because he lacks the guard play. I think we already have a pretty good sample of his work and style of play and recruiting while at Siena and at the MAAC level now ..... don’t we? He pressed, ran and played up tempo. A style kids love to play. Just out of curiosity....What’s does “at this level and stage of his career” have to do with anything?
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 21, 2018 15:18:57 GMT -5
Hewitt is better defensively than Jimmy overall. That would be his primary edge. I would just be concerned with his roster decisions at guard, especially as it pertained to offense and ball control. At this level and this stage in his career, he might be kind of like a Masiello style wise. Gritty on D but recruiting crappy guards and too many bigs...so always middling and underperforming expectations because he lacks the guard play. I think we already have a pretty good sample of his work and style of play and recruiting while at Siena and at the MAAC level now ..... don’t we? He pressed, ran and played up tempo. A style kids love to play. Just out of curiosity....What’s does “at this level and stage of his career” have to do with anything? he got GTECH to the Championship game, only to lose to UConn (who had 4 NBA players on their roster).........with YellowJackets he was 7-5 in NCAA..........tough place to be successful (ask Bobby Cremins), more of a football school, and always chasing both UNC & Duke.......expectations are hard to achieve under those circumstances yet he did admirably well............brief stint at GMason, won over 20 games his first 2 yrs including a CBI runner-up, but then his last 2 yrs were not good (and it may have been because of school switching from CAA to A10 which had Xavier, Butler, VCU).....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:50:23 GMT -5
I think we already have a pretty good sample of his work and style of play and recruiting while at Siena and at the MAAC level now ..... don’t we? He pressed, ran and played up tempo. A style kids love to play. Just out of curiosity....What’s does “at this level and stage of his career” have to do with anything? he got GTECH to the Championship game, only to lose to UConn (who had 4 NBA players on their roster).........with YellowJackets he was 7-5 in NCAA..........tough place to be successful (ask Bobby Cremins), more of a football school, and always chasing both UNC & Duke.......expectations are hard to achieve under those circumstances yet he did admirably well............brief stint at GMason, won over 20 games his first 2 yrs including a CBI runner-up, but then his last 2 yrs were not good (and it may have been because of school switching from CAA to A10 which had Xavier, Butler, VCU)..... Over the 14 years of coaching history on Kenpom, Hewitt was never in the top 135 in the nation at taking care of the ball....even as an ACC team. And his average was 222nd. Do we really want a 3rd coach in a row whose teams have proven to be turnover prone? Is that a ceiling that we'd really want to set for ourselves with this KEY hire? There is a solid correlation EVERY year with taking care of the ball and the place in the standings and many years it's even more than this year: Place -- Team -- A/TO 4 -- Iona -- 1.39 2 -- Canisius -- 1.29 6 -- Fairfield -- 1.15 1 -- Rider -- 1.11 3 -- Niagara -- 1.09 10 -- Saint Peter's -- 0.94 7 -- Quinnipiac -- 0.94 5 -- Manhattan -- 0.88 8 -- Monmouth -- 0.83 11 -- Marist -- 0.75 9 -- Siena -- 0.74 Why limit ourselves in that way right off the bat? Just once, I want a coach whose teams take care of the ball. Also, of note, Hewitt only had 1 year at GT with a winning record in conference (9-7). He mostly just beat up on OOC teams and middled within his conference on good years. Yeah, it's a whole different level there and it's very hard to do but it also potentially sets him out to look a bit better to some extent if all he does is just win a fair amount of his home games.
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