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Post by greenblood on Feb 12, 2018 10:32:37 GMT -5
Are you caught up on the questions that need to be asked or the answers that may or not be given? They are two different issues. Reporters always ask questions knowing that they may not get an answer or not the answer that everyone is looking for. We can agree to disagree on this topic. I'm saying that neither the reporters or the AD really owe the fans anything. There is no incentive for the reporters to ask these questions. None. There is also no incentive for the AD to make comments on the status of a losing team. None. This is just fans being emotional about the state of the team and feeling like they are owed something and need some kind of validation for their feelings. No administration should make these comments. No professional business person in any business should make these public comments. MTS agrees with you because he doesn't know any better and the one guy who is famous for talking shit about everyone no matter what is his hero. Most organizations don't work this way, especially not a small liberal arts college in upstate NY. They are not going to publicly shame anyone. I think this is a really good discussion going on here, and I agree with points on both sides. The local media are not going to piss off D'Arg or Patsos (too much entertainment value) nor will they hang the kids out to dry. I think minimally though, the AD needs to release some sort of 'the program will be evaluated at the end of the year including a review of the body of work of the coach'. If I recall correctly, that was at least floated out there when the entire world knew Mitch was a goner before the MAAC tournament started in Springfield.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 10:38:07 GMT -5
I'm saying that neither the reporters or the AD really owe the fans anything. There is no incentive for the reporters to ask these questions. None. There is also no incentive for the AD to make comments on the status of a losing team. None. This is just fans being emotional about the state of the team and feeling like they are owed something and need some kind of validation for their feelings. No administration should make these comments. No professional business person in any business should make these public comments. MTS agrees with you because he doesn't know any better and the one guy who is famous for talking shit about everyone no matter what is his hero. Most organizations don't work this way, especially not a small liberal arts college in upstate NY. They are not going to publicly shame anyone. I think this is a really good discussion going on here, and I agree with points on both sides. The local media are not going to piss off D'Arg or Patsos (too much entertainment value) nor will they hang the kids out to dry. I think minimally though, the AD needs to release some sort of 'the program will be evaluated at the end of the year including a review of the body of work of the coach'. If I recall correctly, that was at least floated out there when the entire world knew Mitch was a goner before the MAAC tournament started in Springfield. Why would you say that if you're thinking of giving him another year pending how his recruiting goes? That basically publicly cuts his recruiting legs right out from under him and seals his fate. If they haven't made a decision yet, you don't do that to a coach. That looks bad too. What good coach with options wants to work for an administration that's going to cut his legs out from under him? Either they say 'goodbye' or they say nothing. There should be no in between.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 12, 2018 10:49:04 GMT -5
I think there is enough proof that regardless of how the recruiting goes, the coaching isn't going to change.
Again, just my humble opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 10:52:56 GMT -5
I think there is enough proof that regardless of how the recruiting goes, the coaching isn't going to change. Again, just my humble opinion. I agree. I think Jimmy has one more year to show a turnaround and give the program future hope. It doesn't matter what anyone says. Coaches in the MAAC always stick around a year or 2 longer than you think they should. I'd say Jimmy has another strike still because of his contract.
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Post by Papi on Feb 12, 2018 11:13:49 GMT -5
I think there is enough proof that regardless of how the recruiting goes, the coaching isn't going to change. Again, just my humble opinion. I agree. I think Jimmy has one more year to show a turnaround and give the program future hope. It doesn't matter what anyone says. Coaches in the MAAC always stick around a year or 2 longer than you think they should. I'd say Jimmy has another strike still because of his contract. I agree, this season has been a foul ball, he's hanging in there with two strikes. Some guys are better with two strikes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 11:17:52 GMT -5
I'm saying that neither the reporters or the AD really owe the fans anything. There is no incentive for the reporters to ask these questions. None. There is also no incentive for the AD to make comments on the status of a losing team. None. This is just fans being emotional about the state of the team and feeling like they are owed something and need some kind of validation for their feelings. No administration should make these comments. No professional business person in any business should make these public comments. MTS agrees with you because he doesn't know any better and the one guy who is famous for talking shit about everyone no matter what is his hero. Most organizations don't work this way, especially not a small liberal arts college in upstate NY. They are not going to publicly shame anyone. I think this is a really good discussion going on here, and I agree with points on both sides. The local media are not going to piss off D'Arg or Patsos (too much entertainment value) nor will they hang the kids out to dry. I think minimally though, the AD needs to release some sort of 'the program will be evaluated at the end of the year including a review of the body of work of the coach'. If I recall correctly, that was at least floated out there when the entire world knew Mitch was a goner before the MAAC tournament started in Springfield. It would be nice to hear words about re-evaluation but that would put D’Arg on the spot. If JP is going to be retained because of contract limitations no use in shining a spotlite on nothing. If he were in fact going to be canned, which I doubt, then and only then would you hear some kind of release from the school.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 12, 2018 11:26:35 GMT -5
I agree. I think Jimmy has one more year to show a turnaround and give the program future hope. It doesn't matter what anyone says. Coaches in the MAAC always stick around a year or 2 longer than you think they should. I'd say Jimmy has another strike still because of his contract. I agree, this season has been a foul ball, he's hanging in there with two strikes. Some guys are better with two strikes. His entire tenure here has been one big whiff after another. Only reason he would be brought back is financial. Next year the TU will take another hit on attendance.
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Post by Papi on Feb 12, 2018 11:42:41 GMT -5
I agree, this season has been a foul ball, he's hanging in there with two strikes. Some guys are better with two strikes. His entire tenure here has been one big whiff after another. Only reason he would be brought back is financial. Next year the TU will take another hit on attendance. Not if there is a complete turnaround. We already know you have no faith in that so really no need to continue this discussion.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 12, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -5
Faith is one thing. This would be like saying Zippy Chippy could win the Kentucky Derby. Your past performance record speaks for itself. Always did, always will.
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Post by Papi on Feb 12, 2018 11:55:26 GMT -5
Faith is one thing. This would be like saying Zippy Chippy could win the Kentucky Derby. Your past performance record speaks for itself. Always did, always will. With a perfect trip and ride, maybe. Hey you never know.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 12, 2018 11:58:10 GMT -5
Only if the rest of the field = DNF. Not happening, sweetheart.
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Post by gosaints on Feb 12, 2018 12:05:03 GMT -5
Faith is one thing. This would be like saying Zippy Chippy could win the Kentucky Derby. Your past performance record speaks for itself. Always did, always will. With a perfect trip and ride, maybe. Hey you never know. Would never want a horse like that heading up my stable.
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Post by nolesaint on Feb 12, 2018 12:09:39 GMT -5
So who, meaning which reporter or editor, asks these questions? What section of the paper does it appear in? What do you think happens once it appears in the paper? Have you ever seen anything like what your asking for ever in any main stream media publication? From time to time there will be stories about business deals related to professional teams or how tax dollars are being spent on sports franchises but I truly do not recall ever seeing something like what you've mentioned where a newspaper begins asking hard questions of a small private school about the their sports programs. I know this can read like I'm fighting or picking at you but that truly is not my intent rather I'd like to see folks stay focused on actions/inaction that can bring about change. Again you are way over thinking this. These types of questions have been asked before, in years past when the Siena program was failing as it is now, by the local sports media. So we need to go no further than the local sports media and the Saints for examples. Actually, you're missing the point. You want media coverage about this abomination? It can be achieved in a manner that brings about real change but some feathers outside of Siena need to be ruffled along the way... you're just not addressing it from the correct angle.
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Post by indian82 on Feb 12, 2018 12:22:32 GMT -5
What is D'Arg going to say exactly? Is he going to talk public shit about an employee he has to work with every day? Is he going to publicly shame the kids in his program for losing? Let's be realistic here. If my employee screws up I'm not going to go to the papers and talk about him. There will be private discussions regarding performance and if and when the decision is made to part ways, you let him go and be done with it. You don't EVER publicly diss an employee. It's unprofessional and it makes Siena look bad. Are you caught up on the questions that need to be asked or the answers that may or not be given? They are two different issues. Reporters always ask questions knowing that they may not get an answer or not the answer that everyone is looking for. We can agree to disagree on this topic. It appears to me you changed the discussion. In order for the reporters to ask Darg any question, regardless of the answer we may get, he has to be accessible to field them. I don’t recall a situation where he has been accessible to take a reporter’s questions (ie., a press conference). Unless you are suggesting they hound and track him down at the school during the day or possibly at a game? That is certainly possible but it’s not a particularly good look for the reporter. And I am sure they know they will get ‘no comment’ or ‘We do not discuss HR issues.', so they know cost-benefit of that; but in front of a press conference then anything is fair game. And, as KK suggests, it may jeopardize access they have to basketball-related events
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Post by ltf on Feb 12, 2018 12:55:53 GMT -5
How about asking D'arg: Do you have any concerns about how the basketball season is turning out? Response: We really believed at the beginning of the season that we had some rebuilding to do and that the team would get stronger as the season progressed. That hasn't happened for a variety of reasons and when the season is over we will look at all aspects of the program to see where improvements are needed and what if any changes need to be made. Followup: Will you be looking at making any coaching changes? Response: That's not a topic for discussion.
Shows Admin is aware, nobody is thrown under the bus and gives everyone a change to speculate like crazy!
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