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Post by indian82 on Feb 12, 2018 6:52:50 GMT -5
'look babe,it s me not you'- yea right that checks in the mail. higher education, and the last I checked this is college not middle school - is about finding truth and learn responsibility. I would like to think there is a charter and guidelines for the mens team - not a single one of your snipes are conditions spelled out in a contract registered in the state of NY and furthermore who are you to say what someone elses value is - especially since it s not your dime. tell me anybody, no matter how much they make that doesn t deep down inside think they are underpaid. I find it ironic that such high minded grads of siena college that care so deeply about the rep of the institution has a message board for board for the ball team - while I m still lookin for all you citizens to tell me where to find the board about the proffessors, their methods, vacations, social habits and hair styles or what have you. after that excercise point me in the direction of the diversity officer - they average 475k at the top 50 schools. what s their deal and where do they eat lunch - how about the paper put an eye on that. I assume this is directed to me. Yes. It is finding out about learning responsibility. A 50 something should already KNOW responsibility esp when he is the one supposedly teaching the college kids. You. like Papi, like to absolve the man in charge and blame the kids. And no idea what you're talking about re: contract registered in NY. And you might find a message board for all the other things you are concerned about when those professors are conducting their classes in front of 6000 paying fans in a large arena and being broadcast on radio, TV and streamed on a large sports internet platform. Until then, maybe you can start one.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 12, 2018 6:55:19 GMT -5
indian82, lets make sure we are talking about the appropriate figures when referencing Patsos pay. It 'aint' 330
2014 Patsos $298,380 2015 Patsos $434,974 2016 Patsos $441,334 2017 Patsos ~$450,000
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Post by indian82 on Feb 12, 2018 7:12:15 GMT -5
indian82, lets make sure we are talking about the appropriate figures when referencing Patsos pay. It 'aint' 330 2014 Patsos $298,380 2015 Patsos $434,974 2016 Patsos $441,334 2017 Patsos ~$450,000 The point is - it's a lot. And, more importantly, we would be having this discussion if it were half those amounts. He's the man in charge and should be held accountable for the results 5 years in, rather than blaming the student-athletes that he recruited, visited and awarded scholarships. He was also the face of the institution when he chose to recruit them and bring them to Loudonville. He inherently became their mentor as well as their coach. Probably the most visible and active authority figure in their daily lives for the next 4 years. Now, many of them are no longer on the team, for whatever reason to the point that there are no seniors and only one junior present since their freshman year. A telling statistic in my mind.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 12, 2018 8:01:22 GMT -5
And not even a bobble head.
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Post by indian82 on Feb 12, 2018 8:04:07 GMT -5
And not even a bobble head. You got to the bottom of my frustration.
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Post by james on Feb 12, 2018 9:02:55 GMT -5
How about the year they did not order enough bobbleheads,Dar'g supposedly told the people distributing them to just give out what you have and tell the rest of the season ticket holders they did not have enough!
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 12, 2018 9:16:14 GMT -5
Asking the questions that I have proposed is hardly deep investigative coverage. Simple questions on the status of the flagship sports team in the Albany market. A team that is failing significantly against its stated goals and its achievements of the past. No investigation needed. Just asking those in charge the simple questions. So who, meaning which reporter or editor, asks these questions? What section of the paper does it appear in? What do you think happens once it appears in the paper? Have you ever seen anything like what your asking for ever in any main stream media publication? From time to time there will be stories about business deals related to professional teams or how tax dollars are being spent on sports franchises but I truly do not recall ever seeing something like what you've mentioned where a newspaper begins asking hard questions of a small private school about the their sports programs. I know this can read like I'm fighting or picking at you but that truly is not my intent rather I'd like to see folks stay focused on actions/inaction that can bring about change. Again you are way over thinking this. These types of questions have been asked before, in years past when the Siena program was failing as it is now, by the local sports media. So we need to go no further than the local sports media and the Saints for examples.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 12, 2018 9:32:27 GMT -5
trust me, whoever looks at the opening at siena college will be well aware that the last four guys took a dirtnap, and truth be told the guy before that maybe wanted to leave town - and it wasn t all about the money. is that real enough following your logic paydays from receivables should be comencerate with performance. last 4 guys? Mitch -- Fired Fran -- Big ten, will have made about $15M when its all said and done Lanier -- fired -- now a very successful asst. Orr - signed big $$ after one year Hewitt - multi million dollar contracts after Siena if i can decipher your cryptic post, you are saying Fran wanted to leave? and not for the money? ok, he sure as hell was recruiting like he wanted to stay (Basabe and the PG that ended up at Mason) And yes, ANY future hire should be well aware of the track record of coaches here. Siena doesn't just fire coaches for fun..... Mitch should have been gone after year 1, but he stayed for 3. Jimmy will have been here 5 years as an under .500 coach before his release (if he gets canned). Other coaches have used Siena as a launching pad to high profile jobs and $$$. Any coach who has actually been paid and in this profession long enough knows you are always on a short leash. You are expected to win and are paid accordingly. So in your opinion Siena should pay JP infinitum until he decides to leave?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:37:55 GMT -5
So who, meaning which reporter or editor, asks these questions? What section of the paper does it appear in? What do you think happens once it appears in the paper? Have you ever seen anything like what your asking for ever in any main stream media publication? From time to time there will be stories about business deals related to professional teams or how tax dollars are being spent on sports franchises but I truly do not recall ever seeing something like what you've mentioned where a newspaper begins asking hard questions of a small private school about the their sports programs. I know this can read like I'm fighting or picking at you but that truly is not my intent rather I'd like to see folks stay focused on actions/inaction that can bring about change. Again you are way over thinking this. These types of questions have been asked before, in years past when the Siena program was failing as it is now, by the local sports media. So we need to go no further than the local sports media and the Saints for examples. These journalists are not going to risk pissing the coach off...the guy who greatly determines their access to info. about the team they're covering. Let's say a guy like Singelais starts asking the difficult questions...I bet he doesn't get let thru the door of the Arc for awhile after that ...or Jimmy and his assistants forget to give him the practice schedule for a while. These guys have to protect what access is afforded to them. If they lose their access, the paper will just hire another reporter.
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 12, 2018 9:47:03 GMT -5
Again you are way over thinking this. These types of questions have been asked before, in years past when the Siena program was failing as it is now, by the local sports media. So we need to go no further than the local sports media and the Saints for examples. These journalists are not going to risk pissing the coach off...the guy who greatly determines their access to info. about the team they're covering. Let's say a guy like Singelais starts asking the difficult questions...I bet he doesn't get let thru the door of the Arc for awhile after that ...or Jimmy and his assistants forget to give him the practice schedule for a while. These guys have to protect what access is afforded to them. If they lose their access, the paper will just hire another reporter. Time for Siena College and JP to put their "Big Boy Pants" on. Given the coverage of the team and the passion of the fan base, they should be expecting these types of questions. I find it curious that D'Argenio has made no comments regarding the current status of the team and the HQ. The problem is you have the TU and Siena tied at the hip through the TUC, so I do not expect their reporter to ask tough questions. But there is other media coverage of Siena that could and should be raising the question about the future of the program given its current state.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:53:10 GMT -5
These journalists are not going to risk pissing the coach off...the guy who greatly determines their access to info. about the team they're covering. Let's say a guy like Singelais starts asking the difficult questions...I bet he doesn't get let thru the door of the Arc for awhile after that ...or Jimmy and his assistants forget to give him the practice schedule for a while. These guys have to protect what access is afforded to them. If they lose their access, the paper will just hire another reporter. Time for Siena College and JP to put their "Big Boy Pants" on. Given the coverage of the team and the passion of the fan base, they should be expecting these types of questions. I find it curious that D'Argenio has made no comments regarding the current status of the team and the HQ. What is D'Arg going to say exactly? Is he going to talk public shit about an employee he has to work with every day? Is he going to publicly shame the kids in his program for losing? Let's be realistic here. If my employee screws up I'm not going to go to the papers and talk about him. There will be private discussions regarding performance and if and when the decision is made to part ways, you let him go and be done with it. You don't EVER publicly diss an employee. It's unprofessional and it makes Siena look bad.
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 12, 2018 10:05:56 GMT -5
Time for Siena College and JP to put their "Big Boy Pants" on. Given the coverage of the team and the passion of the fan base, they should be expecting these types of questions. I find it curious that D'Argenio has made no comments regarding the current status of the team and the HQ. What is D'Arg going to say exactly? Is he going to talk public shit about an employee he has to work with every day? Is he going to publicly shame the kids in his program for losing? Let's be realistic here. If my employee screws up I'm not going to go to the papers and talk about him. There will be private discussions regarding performance and if and when the decision is made to part ways, you let him go and be done with it. You don't EVER publicly diss an employee. It's unprofessional and it makes Siena look bad. Are you caught up on the questions that need to be asked or the answers that may or not be given? They are two different issues. Reporters always ask questions knowing that they may not get an answer or not the answer that everyone is looking for. We can agree to disagree on this topic.
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Post by siena70 on Feb 12, 2018 10:18:15 GMT -5
I know that the very weak BOT and President will not can D'Arg. However, a rational cost conscious BOT would either fire D'Arg, or at least publicly demote him, if favor of a new AD wiht no loyalty to JP.
The problems at Siena are not limited to just the HC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 10:20:53 GMT -5
What is D'Arg going to say exactly? Is he going to talk public shit about an employee he has to work with every day? Is he going to publicly shame the kids in his program for losing? Let's be realistic here. If my employee screws up I'm not going to go to the papers and talk about him. There will be private discussions regarding performance and if and when the decision is made to part ways, you let him go and be done with it. You don't EVER publicly diss an employee. It's unprofessional and it makes Siena look bad. Are you caught up on the questions that need to be asked or the answers that may or not be given? They are two different issues. Reporters always ask questions knowing that they may not get an answer or not the answer that everyone is looking for. We can agree to disagree on this topic. I'm saying that neither the reporters or the AD really owe the fans anything. There is no incentive for the reporters to ask these questions. None. There is also no incentive for the AD to make comments on the status of a losing team. None. This is just fans being emotional about the state of the team and feeling like they are owed something and need some kind of validation for their feelings. No administration should make these comments. No professional business person in any business should make these public comments. MTS agrees with you because he doesn't know any better and the one guy who is famous for talking shit about everyone no matter what is his hero. Most organizations don't work this way, especially not a small liberal arts college in upstate NY. They are not going to publicly shame anyone.
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 12, 2018 10:28:22 GMT -5
Not suggesting anyone be shamed, besides JP shames himself publicly all the time...
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