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Post by $cott on Feb 6, 2018 11:32:16 GMT -5
Siena by player efficiency rating this year should be starting Smithen, Richard, Horn, Degnan, and Friday:
Jordan Horn - 16.8 Nico Clareth - 16 Roman Penn - 15.2 Kadeem Smithen - 15.1 Sammy Friday - 14.6 Khailil Richard - 13.1 Kevin Degnan - 12.6 Evan Fisher - 11.5 Ahsante Shivers - 10.8 Manny Camper - 10.3 Prince Oduro - 9 Thomas Huerter Jr. - 8.8 Christian Bentley - 7.2
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 6, 2018 12:09:18 GMT -5
Siena by player efficiency rating this year should be starting Smithen, Richard, Horn, Degnan, and Friday: Jordan Horn - 16.8 Nico Clareth - 16 Roman Penn - 15.2 Kadeem Smithen - 15.1 Sammy Friday - 14.6 Khailil Richard - 13.1 Kevin Degnan - 12.6 Evan Fisher - 11.5 Ahsante Shivers - 10.8 Manny Camper - 10.3 Prince Oduro - 9 Thomas Huerter Jr. - 8.8 Christian Bentley - 7.2 Degnan and Sammy don’t have enough of a sample size (Degnan especially). Prince should be playing through struggles at this point whether you agreed with the strategy early in the season or not, let’s be real it’s not like we are contenders so get experience and lots of game reps to the high-upside player. Same with Camper.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 6, 2018 12:46:04 GMT -5
Don't know what game you were watching lol Richard has a solid handle and ran the point well. Team struggled but he demonstrated that he is a pg that is being told to score. Penn is a pass first pg. Not a scorer. He can't play any other position on this team. Not a good defender either. And instead of fighting with his own bogs for a rebound Penn should be calling for the outlet pass to start transition. He does not do more than Richard Do you want to pull up the stats for this year and compare turnovers to minutes played? Richards probably has more turnovers per minutes played by an easy margin. I cringe when he has the ball and has to dribble. It’s a constant carry or a travel. As for the rebounding, Patsos wants his guards to rebound. He stresses it every day in practice and every opportunity to the media. Penn had 10 rebounds few games ago and it’s all he talked about. Marquis was a good rebounder and that’s one of the things Patsos likes about him. Richard has been playing out of position all season. Patsos admitted that Richard can play the 1,and 2 for this team. Penn can only play the 1 and he slows the game down by not getting to the outlet in transition. Richard is a better all around player than Penn. Penn was playing all.of his mins at the point. He played 50 plus mins and only had 1 assist. Richard is 5th in the MAAC in 3 point percentage. Had 4 assist in the last game with 2 TOs while playing the point. He handles the rock very well. He can get by his defender or step back and pull up midrange and from 3. Penn can't score nor pass better than Richard. Team scored 40 pts in regulation with Penn at the point for 36 mins... So stop lol
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 6, 2018 12:46:09 GMT -5
Siena by player efficiency rating this year should be starting Smithen, Richard, Horn, Degnan, and Friday: Jordan Horn - 16.8 Nico Clareth - 16 Roman Penn - 15.2 Kadeem Smithen - 15.1 Sammy Friday - 14.6 Khailil Richard - 13.1 Kevin Degnan - 12.6 Evan Fisher - 11.5 Ahsante Shivers - 10.8 Manny Camper - 10.3 Prince Oduro - 9 Thomas Huerter Jr. - 8.8 Christian Bentley - 7.2 Interesting. While the sample size my be a little skewed based upon playing time, it is interesting that some of the guys who are PTP's favorites and get the majority of playing time, are not that very efficient players. PTP's stubborness and his playing favorites does not add up and is contributing to the losing of this team. Always thought that Smithen an and Friday should be in the player rotation.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 6, 2018 12:52:29 GMT -5
Don't look worse... have not fallen apart Again Penn is a valuable member of the team. He was over used.. the team is doing fine without him. Others are just as good if not better... they are proving that they can contribute if given a chance Geez what the he-- is your definition of fine? Losing every game? Boy have your expectations falling off the chart! I meant from one bad game to the next. With Penn team scored 40pts in regulation then lost in triple OT with Penn out there for over 50 mins total. Very few fgs in that game and lots of TOs. Without him team scored more and turned it over less. The point is that Penn has been overused to the point that he can't even play now. But we see that it was not necessary as the team is not worse without him. Just about the same if not better
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 6, 2018 12:54:32 GMT -5
Siena by player efficiency rating this year should be starting Smithen, Richard, Horn, Degnan, and Friday: Jordan Horn - 16.8 Nico Clareth - 16 Roman Penn - 15.2 Kadeem Smithen - 15.1 Sammy Friday - 14.6 Khailil Richard - 13.1 Kevin Degnan - 12.6 Evan Fisher - 11.5 Ahsante Shivers - 10.8 Manny Camper - 10.3 Prince Oduro - 9 Thomas Huerter Jr. - 8.8 Christian Bentley - 7.2 Interesting. While the sample size my be a little skewed based upon playing time, it is interesting that some of the guys who are PTP's favorites and get the majority of playing time, are not that very efficient players. PTP's stubborness and his playing favorites does not add up and is contributing to the losing of this team. Always thought that Smithen an and Friday should be in the player rotation. Yep but he wants Prince and Penn at all cost no matter what they do. He ran Penn to the injury.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 6, 2018 12:58:27 GMT -5
Siena by player efficiency rating this year should be starting Smithen, Richard, Horn, Degnan, and Friday: Jordan Horn - 16.8 Nico Clareth - 16 Roman Penn - 15.2 Kadeem Smithen - 15.1 Sammy Friday - 14.6 Khailil Richard - 13.1 Kevin Degnan - 12.6 Evan Fisher - 11.5 Ahsante Shivers - 10.8 Manny Camper - 10.3 Prince Oduro - 9 Thomas Huerter Jr. - 8.8 Christian Bentley - 7.2 Degnan and Sammy don’t have enough of a sample size (Degnan especially). Prince should be playing through struggles at this point whether you agreed with the strategy early in the season or not, let’s be real it’s not like we are contenders so get experience and lots of game reps to the high-upside player. Same with Camper. But why is it all.or nothing? Friday is just a sophomore. He is being run off for a freshman.... At this rate the next senior class will be Prince and Penn in 4 years.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 6, 2018 13:07:52 GMT -5
Thoughts on Sammy and Degnan getting the starts over Fisher and Oduro the rest of the year? I think at this point losing Penn and Horn (regardless of duration) has made a bad team even worse, not sure how shuffling the other deck chairs is going to help. Even if all were healthy we were not winning many more games this season. How Siena can let Patsos continue is beyond me, he clearly hasn’t done his primary job (recruiting) and has left Siena in a precarious situation. Because of a bad contract Siena is going to be forced to make a tough decision financially, all I see is attendance and interest falling off more from here on out. A 500 year next year isn’t going to build any interest. Fans are smart enough to know Patsos is never going to get the job done at Siena. There is enough talent on this team to win some games and compete for a MAAC championship. Patsos needs to play these guys and stop with the politics
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:11:25 GMT -5
Oh my god. Lighten up on your anti-Penn pro-Richard agenda already. We're sick of reading it.
Maybe Penn's turnovers were more due to the fact that he was facing the best defense & #1 turnover forcing team in the MAAC instead of FF's D.
Penn has the better assist ratio, rebound %, defensive play making #s, and Points per Shot efficiency.
Quit it. Nobody wants to hear it anymore.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 6, 2018 13:15:11 GMT -5
Oh my god. Lighten up on your anti-Penn pro-Richard agenda already. We're sick of reading it. Maybe Penn's turnovers were more due to the fact that he was facing the best defense & #1 turnover forcing team in the MAAC instead of FF's D. Penn has the better assist ratio, rebound %, defensive play making #s, and Points per Shot efficiency. Quit it. Nobody wants to hear it anymore. Tell them to stop lol I answered and you can't compare Penn's season stats to Richard. Richard has been playing out of position all season. Put Penn at the 2 and see how he does. Richard got his opportunity to run the show and he did fine. We never would have seen it for that much of a game if Penn had not been hurt. So yes it needed to be pointed out
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 6, 2018 13:19:31 GMT -5
Oh my god. Lighten up on your anti-Penn pro-Richard agenda already. We're sick of reading it. Maybe Penn's turnovers were more due to the fact that he was facing the best defense & #1 turnover forcing team in the MAAC instead of FF's D. Penn has the better assist ratio, rebound %, defensive play making #s, and Points per Shot efficiency. Quit it. Nobody wants to hear it anymore. Tell them to stop lol I answered and you can't compare Penn's season stats to Richard. Richard has been playing out of position all season. Put Penn at the 2 and see how he does. Richard got his opportunity to run the show and he did fine. We never would have seen it for that much of a game if Penn had not been hurt. So yes it needed to be pointed out 7 wins. Nothing is fine. None of these kids belong at this level. I havent seen anyone out side of maybe Wright that belonged at this level since Patsos got here. Pathetic basketball. The results speak for themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:29:26 GMT -5
Oh my god. Lighten up on your anti-Penn pro-Richard agenda already. We're sick of reading it. Maybe Penn's turnovers were more due to the fact that he was facing the best defense & #1 turnover forcing team in the MAAC instead of FF's D. Penn has the better assist ratio, rebound %, defensive play making #s, and Points per Shot efficiency. Quit it. Nobody wants to hear it anymore. Tell them to stop lol I answered and you can't compare Penn's season stats to Richard. Richard has been playing out of position all season. Put Penn at the 2 and see how he does. Richard got his opportunity to run the show and he did fine. We never would have seen it for that much of a game if Penn had not been hurt. So yes it needed to be pointed out Ha, I guess not.
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Post by rickyp on Feb 6, 2018 13:29:57 GMT -5
Results Pathetic only Wright
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Post by mjs72 on Feb 6, 2018 13:35:59 GMT -5
I think it deserves to be mentioned that the kids haven't quit and have continued to play hard. And we have been in so many of the Ls but uunable to close them out.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 6, 2018 13:56:51 GMT -5
Tell them to stop lol I answered and you can't compare Penn's season stats to Richard. Richard has been playing out of position all season. Put Penn at the 2 and see how he does. Richard got his opportunity to run the show and he did fine. We never would have seen it for that much of a game if Penn had not been hurt. So yes it needed to be pointed out 7 wins. Nothing is fine. None of these kids belong at this level. I havent seen anyone out side of maybe Wright that belonged at this level since Patsos got here. Pathetic basketball. The results speak for themselves. This is hilarious Wright was not the only 1000 PT scorer and Lavon did something only done by one other person in the history of Siena basketball. All 13 players on scholarship are MAAC level players. All are solid DI MM players. It's the coach that does not know how to use them.
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