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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 7, 2018 20:35:54 GMT -5
So the reason why recruits are not coming to Siena is because of this board? Really? C'mon man! I think there are many reason why recruits do not end up as Saints. This board ain't one of them. Who said it was "the" reason? It's definitely a contributing factor. Even the die hard haters can admit to that. BUT he still has to take most of the blame, because he's lost very good kids to the two rivals he cant seem to beat.
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Post by MTS on Feb 7, 2018 20:56:26 GMT -5
Who has got who by the short hair’s? The college now owes him $800k and the program is on life support. Sorry I just don’t buy the JP as the innocent 😇 victim act. Although i do believe DArg has some culpability but for reasons other than controlling Jimbo’s every move. They had him by the short hairs because one more outburst like the one vs Canisius last year, and the administration had the right to void his contract, costing him the remaining 1.2 guaranteed on his contract. So basically, be a good boy, do what you're told, and you'll get your money. His horrible recruiting has gotten him in this mess, and I'm pretty sure he knows it. Probably too little too late to bring in stellar class and make some noise next year. IF he signs 3/4 real good kids, maybe he figures it makes the administrations decision to fire him more difficult? Why did they need “one more” outburst? Should have just terminated him right then and there for cause or right after last season.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 7, 2018 20:58:01 GMT -5
If some of the things HJ is saying are true, I have to wonder what Coach will want this job under this administration. They were dictating things with Nico, recruiting, etc? Man, that’s an awful look. And while I understand what happened last year vs Canisius was unacceptable, it seems crazy to me that this would be their reaction.
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Post by MTS on Feb 7, 2018 21:02:43 GMT -5
If some of the things HJ is saying are true, I have to wonder what Coach will want this job under this administration. They were dictating things with Nico, recruiting, etc? Man, that’s an awful look. And while I understand what happened last year vs Canisius was unacceptable, it seems crazy to me that this would be their reaction. Actually if they had reigned JP in earlier (by telling him you can’t vacation half the year or schedule this way or this is how we do it at Siena generally) he might be in better shape. But now it’s just time to end this disaster.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 7, 2018 21:03:43 GMT -5
If some of the things HJ is saying are true, I have to wonder what Coach will want this job under this administration. They were dictating things with Nico, recruiting, etc? Man, that’s an awful look. And while I understand what happened last year vs Canisius was unacceptable, it seems crazy to me that this would be their reaction. Actually if they had reigned JP in earlier (by telling him you can’t vacation half the year or schedule this way or this is how we do it at Siena generally) he might be in better shape. But now it’s just time to end this disaster. There’s a difference between “reigning things in” and this. This is a mess if it’s true.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 7, 2018 21:31:04 GMT -5
If some of the things HJ is saying are true, I have to wonder what Coach will want this job under this administration. They were dictating things with Nico, recruiting, etc? Man, that’s an awful look. And while I understand what happened last year vs Canisius was unacceptable, it seems crazy to me that this would be their reaction. Let’s back up the bus a bit because what was said ain’t exactly clear ... Did the administration after the Canisius game tell Patsos to dial it back or else ..... well within their rights btw! Did the administration tell Patsos not to start Nico to aggravate him and to get him to transfer (this btw makes no sense for a multitude of reasons but was floated on the MAAC board by HJ). What EXACTLY was the administrations role in getting Nico to transfer? Patsos is now in his 4/5 recruiting cycle has the administration interferred in this process? Has the administration interfered with the running of the basketball program as far as the day to day responsibilities of a headcoach goes? What exactly are we talking about here and what is being implied? All that I have read is nothing but innuendos.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 7, 2018 21:53:23 GMT -5
If some of the things HJ is saying are true, I have to wonder what Coach will want this job under this administration. They were dictating things with Nico, recruiting, etc? Man, that’s an awful look. And while I understand what happened last year vs Canisius was unacceptable, it seems crazy to me that this would be their reaction. Let’s back up the bus a bit because what was said ain’t exactly clear ... Did the administration after the Canisius game tell Patsos to dial it back or else ..... well within their rights btw! Did the administration tell Patsos not to start Nico to aggravate him and to get him to transfer (this btw makes no sense for a multitude of reasons but was floated on the MAAC board by HJ). What EXACTLY was the administrations role in getting Nico to transfer? Patsos is now in his 4/5 recruiting cycle has the administration interferred in this process? Has the administration interfered with the running of the basketball program as far as the day to day responsibilities of a headcoach goes? What exactly are we talking about here and what is being implied? All that I have read is nothing but innuendos. People close to the program (def a few out here) know how disruptive Nico is/was on and off the court. So much so, that yeah, I'm saying JP's bosses wanted this kid gone. Benching him, when he's clearly the most talented guy on the team, was a smart way of doing it. Sorry, if that doesnt make sense, but it makes alot more sense than a guy fighting for his job wanting his best player gone, EVEN with the baggage he bought with that talent.
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Post by rickyp on Feb 7, 2018 21:58:43 GMT -5
Very Close
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Post by indian82 on Feb 7, 2018 23:58:10 GMT -5
Let’s back up the bus a bit because what was said ain’t exactly clear ... Did the administration after the Canisius game tell Patsos to dial it back or else ..... well within their rights btw! Did the administration tell Patsos not to start Nico to aggravate him and to get him to transfer (this btw makes no sense for a multitude of reasons but was floated on the MAAC board by HJ). What EXACTLY was the administrations role in getting Nico to transfer? Patsos is now in his 4/5 recruiting cycle has the administration interferred in this process? Has the administration interfered with the running of the basketball program as far as the day to day responsibilities of a headcoach goes? What exactly are we talking about here and what is being implied? All that I have read is nothing but innuendos. People close to the program (def a few out here) know how disruptive Nico is/was on and off the court. So much so, that yeah, I'm saying JP's bosses wanted this kid gone. Benching him, when he's clearly the most talented guy on the team, was a smart way of doing it. Sorry, if that doesnt make sense, but it makes alot more sense than a guy fighting for his job wanting his best player gone, EVEN with the baggage he bought with that talent. I am confused. Nico was very 'disruptive' yet the coach still wanted him? That's an action of a bad coach in my mind. A team isn't going to win very many games with such disruption - and that is what we saw. Could Patsos not see that disruption to his team? And did he WANT Nico taking 25 shots a game or restrain himself and distribute more?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 8, 2018 3:28:50 GMT -5
People close to the program (def a few out here) know how disruptive Nico is/was on and off the court. So much so, that yeah, I'm saying JP's bosses wanted this kid gone. Benching him, when he's clearly the most talented guy on the team, was a smart way of doing it. Sorry, if that doesnt make sense, but it makes alot more sense than a guy fighting for his job wanting his best player gone, EVEN with the baggage he bought with that talent. I am confused. Nico was very 'disruptive' yet the coach still wanted him? That's an action of a bad coach in my mind. A team isn't going to win very many games with such disruption - and that is what we saw. Could Patsos not see that disruption to his team? And did he WANT Nico taking 25 shots a game or restrain himself and distribute more? Dont be confused. Coaches at every level sell themselves out (see recently: Mich St, Louisville, Arizona etc....) for talent that can help them win games. Nico was so far and away the most talented player, JP became desperate and took his $hit.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 8, 2018 6:40:27 GMT -5
I am confused. Nico was very 'disruptive' yet the coach still wanted him? That's an action of a bad coach in my mind. A team isn't going to win very many games with such disruption - and that is what we saw. Could Patsos not see that disruption to his team? And did he WANT Nico taking 25 shots a game or restrain himself and distribute more? Dont be confused. Coaches at every level sell themselves out (see recently: Mich St, Louisville, Arizona etc....) for talent that can help them win games. Nico was so far and away the most talented player, JP became desperate and took his $hit. while we tend to get after each other a bit. This post is 100% accurate.
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Post by indian82 on Feb 8, 2018 6:51:56 GMT -5
I am confused. Nico was very 'disruptive' yet the coach still wanted him? That's an action of a bad coach in my mind. A team isn't going to win very many games with such disruption - and that is what we saw. Could Patsos not see that disruption to his team? And did he WANT Nico taking 25 shots a game or restrain himself and distribute more? Dont be confused. Coaches at every level sell themselves out (see recently: Mich St, Louisville, Arizona etc....) for talent that can help them win games. Nico was so far and away the most talented player, JP became desperate and took his $hit. So we are in agreement, a bad action and the sign of desparate coach grasping at straws.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 7:28:05 GMT -5
IMO, the biggest mistake was so-so frequently and publicly saying he'd encourage and allow Nico to take a necessary 25 shots a game while silently putting choke chains and short leashes on several other players - players that came hoping BOTH for PT AND the ability to SCORE now and then.... so-so has some elements of do-do in his makeup and we are all praying for the addition of go-go....
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 8, 2018 7:56:56 GMT -5
I am confused. Nico was very 'disruptive' yet the coach still wanted him? That's an action of a bad coach in my mind. A team isn't going to win very many games with such disruption - and that is what we saw. Could Patsos not see that disruption to his team? And did he WANT Nico taking 25 shots a game or restrain himself and distribute more? Dont be confused. Coaches at every level sell themselves out (see recently: Mich St, Louisville, Arizona etc....) for talent that can help them win games. Nico was so far and away the most talented player, JP became desperate and took his $hit. This is true. However what’s confusing is what exactly was Patsos direction from the administration as far as Nico wqs concerned. Not starting him but playing him 30 minutes a game would be a contradiction imho and sends the player a mixed message. If Nico was such a problem at the school (administration issue) and disruptive as a teammate (coaches issue) what the hell was going on? Seems to me this entire cloak and dagger approach is kind of comical, childish, unprofessional and not very smart. The administration along with Patsos should have called Nico in and administered disciplinary action. If that’s being kicked out so be it... The entire directive to have Patsos be the heavy and get Nico to leave is odd to say the least. Especially when Patsos isn’t starting him but playing him a ton. That appears to be in direct contradiction to what the administration wanted, confusing to the player....and makes even less sense if the administration had Patsos on a short leash! Man this program is a $hitshow.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 8, 2018 9:07:04 GMT -5
Dont be confused. Coaches at every level sell themselves out (see recently: Mich St, Louisville, Arizona etc....) for talent that can help them win games. Nico was so far and away the most talented player, JP became desperate and took his $hit. This is true. However what’s confusing is what exactly was Patsos direction from the administration as far as Nico wqs concerned. Not starting him but playing him 30 minutes a game would be a contradiction imho and sends the player a mixed message. If Nico was such a problem at the school (administration issue) and disruptive as a teammate (coaches issue) what the hell was going on? Seems to me this entire cloak and dagger approach is kind of comical, childish, unprofessional and not very smart. The administration along with Patsos should have called Nico in and administered disciplinary action. If that’s being kicked out so be it... The entire directive to have Patsos be the heavy and get Nico to leave is odd to say the least. Especially when Patsos isn’t starting him but playing him a ton. That appears to be in direct contradiction to what the administration wanted, confusing to the player....and makes even less sense if the administration had Patsos on a short leash! Man this program is a $hitshow. Not to mention you don't throw another scholarship kid into the mix by making him the roommate accountable for 'babysitting' Nico freshman year. Directives: make sure he is up and goes to class, make sure he knows what time practice is at, etc. And then ream that kid out when Nico's behaviors go off the rails. What the hell kind of crap is that? HJ won't speak to this because he will just accuse me of defending Kinnon LaRose. Solid kid, supportive family, good student. You bet your ass I will defend Kinnon because he was put in a no win position here from day one. That is not what Siena was, is or should ever be.
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