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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 30, 2018 16:37:09 GMT -5
Great JP can focus on offensive boards while everything else seems to be out of focus. I like that he has a style...and his strengths were much more effective with guys like Wright and Bisping out there. He has a certain potential about him that frustrates me when blows it in so many other ways. His .500 could be .600 or .700 if he just got his head out of his ass sometimes. sorry, but after 14yrs there isn't room for potential, you pretty much have laid out your existence...........leopards have spots, those aren't changed........
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 30, 2018 16:37:48 GMT -5
Great JP can focus on offensive boards while everything else seems to be out of focus. I like that he has a style...and his strengths were much more effective with guys like Wright and Bisping out there. He has a certain potential about him that frustrates me when blows it in so many other ways. His .500 could be .600 or .700 if he just got his head out of his ass sometimes. Fourteen/Fifteen years is what it is...... . Ahhh no, just out of curiosity how many games have you been to in person and watched this guy in action? He’s living proof the Peter principle exists. He is exactly what his record indicates sub 500 to 500 coach. Period! Stop with the analytics. He doesn’t and never has passed the eye test
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 16:38:19 GMT -5
I am as critical as any on Jimmy's decisions but to deny his offensive rebounding focus/prowess as a coach is folly. The Kenpom #'s bear it out consistently for his entire career. Even this year, 62nd in the nation. Every coach has SOME strengths. To just deny that is just being emotional like he is. I would ask, do you know for a fact that during his rants, JP is saying to rebound the basketball with blind fury, or that constantly in practice this is what his focus is on................you have no answer for that, so I would be careful in pimping for an area of positive results as to what truly lies behind it.......from those that have attended practices, they are telling quite the different story as to what is focused on through their observations..................this is what happens when #'s are looked at just as to say what they are, it tells a "story" but not the whole story........the only #'s that really matter is the final score, and how you get to that point is determined by many many factors................if you went by #'s for last nights beauty, no way would you think that Siena came away with a win............... Since Jimmy has been at Siena, his AVERAGE national ranking is 25.6 in offensive rebounding%. Whether you want to believe or not, it exists.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 16:39:07 GMT -5
I like that he has a style...and his strengths were much more effective with guys like Wright and Bisping out there. He has a certain potential about him that frustrates me when blows it in so many other ways. His .500 could be .600 or .700 if he just got his head out of his ass sometimes. Ahhh no, just out of curiosity how many games have you been to in person and watched this guy in action? He’s living proof the Peter principle exists. He is exactly what his record indicates sub 500 to 500 coach. Period! Uh huh...and if he had NO strengths he'd be a .300 coach.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 30, 2018 16:42:26 GMT -5
Great JP can focus on offensive boards while everything else seems to be out of focus. I like that he has a style...and his strengths were much more effective with guys like Wright and Bisping out there. He has a certain potential about him that frustrates me when blows it in so many other ways. His .500 could be .600 or .700 if he just got his head out of his ass sometimes. If he was a little smarter in using his personnel..he could even get away with lazy recruiting because he does some good stuff in the toughness categories with his teams. This is basically what I said about a week ago. JP wants lots of versatile bigs who can pound the glass, a PG who is super fast to get transition leakouts and run the show, and a “glue guy” wing a la Ryan Oliver who will do everything. I actually think the 2015-16 team was best suited for a JP title, but those Iona and Monmouth teams that year were unbelievably good and Quis got injured which hurt that upside (Wormley was leading leakouts and Nico was bringing the scoring punch). Instead, JP has none of that. His PG is a game manager who can hit 3’s, lead, and not make too many mistakes. He’s surrounded him with lots of combo guards and wings, none of whom are complete players (Horn and Shivers closest) but all of whom can play a role on a MAAC team. Then a thin group of bigs who don’t really fit what Patsos wants to do other than Fisher’s leadership, Prince’s post moves and Sammy’s overall activity and energy (sometimes). If you put those all together he has the blueprint for a perfect JP Big. The biggest recruiting mistakes haven’t been missing on kids to UVM, they’ve been recruiting the wrong kids for his system. These guys are capable players (not stars) in the right situation. And those mistakes very well may cost JP his job.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 30, 2018 16:42:31 GMT -5
Ahhh no, just out of curiosity how many games have you been to in person and watched this guy in action? He’s living proof the Peter principle exists. He is exactly what his record indicates sub 500 to 500 coach. Period! Uh huh...and if he had NO strengths he'd be a .300 coach. Im pretty sure a chimp could coach the team to .400 Can Jimmy?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 16:43:20 GMT -5
Uh huh...and if he had NO strengths he'd be a .300 coach. Im pretty sure a chimp could coach the team to 400 You should apply and find out.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 30, 2018 16:46:20 GMT -5
I would ask, do you know for a fact that during his rants, JP is saying to rebound the basketball with blind fury, or that constantly in practice this is what his focus is on................you have no answer for that, so I would be careful in pimping for an area of positive results as to what truly lies behind it.......from those that have attended practices, they are telling quite the different story as to what is focused on through their observations..................this is what happens when #'s are looked at just as to say what they are, it tells a "story" but not the whole story........the only #'s that really matter is the final score, and how you get to that point is determined by many many factors................if you went by #'s for last nights beauty, no way would you think that Siena came away with a win............... Since Jimmy has been at Siena, his AVERAGE national ranking is 25.6 in offensive rebounding%. Whether you want to believe or not, it exists. AND that ranking got us exactly what? ?......................waiting...................waiting..................nope, crickets..........
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 30, 2018 16:48:00 GMT -5
Im pretty sure a chimp could coach the team to 400 You should apply and find out. Or you could. You got it all figured out. Like I’ve told you countless times dude the games not played on paper. BTW how did all your summer projections play out? 😐
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 17:01:18 GMT -5
The biggest recruiting mistakes haven’t been missing on kids to UVM, they’ve been recruiting the wrong kids for his system. These guys are capable players (not stars) in the right situation. And those mistakes very well may cost JP his job. I don't know about the rest but I agree with this. Jimmy has screwed up his own system. His style is to control the paint on both sides and win on rebounding margin...and by keeping his PPS high by drawing lots of fouls. That's Jimmy. However, he went out and got largely shooters and flawed bigs...and many could sense that before they got on campus. His most complete true big (Friday) he doesn't play...though he was never really a big time get in the first place. He needs his Wright or Cormier to attack and draw fouls...as well as his Bisping's and Etherly's to control the boards and rebounding and draw fouls inside...and his JO and Walker's to defend in help D. He's forcing Oduro, who's neither of those things, into that but it's a square peg in a round hole. He can't make a FT nor lock down the paint. So here Jimmy is, caught between 2 systems with a bunch of young guys he doesn't quite know how to bring together. If he just stepped back and added 1...just 1 secondary statistical plan aside from just rebounding...they'd be a .500 team this year. By that I mean, play the rotation that most takes care of the ball AND rebounds. It may require sacrifices in some other areas but if you win the 2 possession battles you give yourself so much more room for error...and things will work out in the end. Instead he jumps around questions himself and the players and gets caught preaching a different message every week without any secondary focus aside from the rebounding strength. The team could play small, take better care of the ball, spread the floor, and still rebound. Yeah..that would have meant a lot less Oduro and a little less Fisher and maybe more Friday..but that's the hard decisions you need to make. You only win in 2 ways. PPS battle and possession battle. The best combination of both determines the winner. Make a plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 17:02:52 GMT -5
Since Jimmy has been at Siena, his AVERAGE national ranking is 25.6 in offensive rebounding%. Whether you want to believe or not, it exists. AND that ranking got us exactly what? ?......................waiting...................waiting..................nope, crickets.......... You're trying to argue with me like I'm saying Jimmy is great. I don't think that. I complain about him all the time. I'm just acknowledging that he has a strength. I'm sorry it's hard to fathom in this difficult time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 17:20:38 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest but I agree with this. Jimmy has screwed up his own system. His style is to control the paint on both sides and win on rebounding margin...and by keeping his PPS high by drawing lots of fouls. That's Jimmy. However, he went out and got largely shooters and flawed bigs...and many of sense that before they got on campus. His most complete true big (Friday) he doesn't play...though he was never really a big time get in the first place. He needs his Wright or Cormier to attack and draw fouls...as well as his Bisping's and Etherly's to control the boards and rebounding and draw fouls inside...and his JO and Walker's to defend in help D. He's forcing Oduro, who's neither of those things, into that but it's a square peg in a round hole. He can't make a FT nor lock down the paint. So here Jimmy is, caught between 2 systems with a bunch of young guys he doesn't quite know how to bring together. If he just stepped back and add 1...just 1 secondary statistical plan aside from just rebounding...they'd be a .500 team this year. By that I mean, play the rotation that most takes care of the ball AND rebounds. It may require sacrifices in some other areas but if you win the 2 possession battles you give yourself so much more room for error...and things will work out in the end. Instead he jumps around questions himself and the players and gets caught preaching a different message every week without any secondary focus aside from the rebounding strength. The team could play small, take better care of the ball, spread the floor, and still rebound. Yeah..that would have meant a lot less Oduro and a little less Fisher and maybe more Friday..but that's the hard decisions you need to make. You only win in 2 ways. PPS battle and possession battle. The best combination of both determines the winner. Make a plan. The team is fatally flawed, add a bad coach and a roster made up of un-athletic D2-low mid players and you get exactly what we’ve seen over and over this season. The team lacks foot speed defense is horrible. Playing small making a plan or playing Friday more....is all BS. How many games (live) have you been to, I’m getting the impression not many. The box score doesnt tell it all. I see no strength in this coach. What is the big deal with this live vs. TV thing? If anything I've found I am more in tune with the games when they're on TV vs. when I'm there with a beer in my hand. But hey, if you don't see or understand or agree with what I see in Siena that's fine. You guys don't approach it the same way I do. That's fine. Jimmy was both lazy in recruiting AND he has mismanaged on the court what he's had. You want to think that there was NO way this team could have gotten to .500. I believe there was. Whether you guys want to accept it or not, basketball is numbers affected by people. The numbers are the numbers and the people are people...but both are of equal importance. A team wins 80-78...all that is a summary of possession battles and shot attempts...and each has a number behind it. Each possession is a rebound or turnover battle. Each shot is a PPS battle. If you don't get the importance of that, you shouldn't be a basketball coach.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 30, 2018 17:26:47 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest but I agree with this. Jimmy has screwed up his own system. His style is to control the paint on both sides and win on rebounding margin...and by keeping his PPS high by drawing lots of fouls. That's Jimmy. However, he went out and got largely shooters and flawed bigs...and many of sense that before they got on campus. His most complete true big (Friday) he doesn't play...though he was never really a big time get in the first place. He needs his Wright or Cormier to attack and draw fouls...as well as his Bisping's and Etherly's to control the boards and rebounding and draw fouls inside...and his JO and Walker's to defend in help D. He's forcing Oduro, who's neither of those things, into that but it's a square peg in a round hole. He can't make a FT nor lock down the paint. So here Jimmy is, caught between 2 systems with a bunch of young guys he doesn't quite know how to bring together. If he just stepped back and add 1...just 1 secondary statistical plan aside from just rebounding...they'd be a .500 team this year. By that I mean, play the rotation that most takes care of the ball AND rebounds. It may require sacrifices in some other areas but if you win the 2 possession battles you give yourself so much more room for error...and things will work out in the end. Instead he jumps around questions himself and the players and gets caught preaching a different message every week without any secondary focus aside from the rebounding strength. The team could play small, take better care of the ball, spread the floor, and still rebound. Yeah..that would have meant a lot less Oduro and a little less Fisher and maybe more Friday..but that's the hard decisions you need to make. You only win in 2 ways. PPS battle and possession battle. The best combination of both determines the winner. Make a plan. The team is fatally flawed, add a bad coach and a roster made up of un-athletic D2-low mid players and you get exactly what we’ve seen over and over this season. The team lacks foot speed defense is horrible. Playing small making a plan or playing Friday more....is all BS and isn’t helping. Put a bullet in the season and call it a day. How many games (live) have you been to, I’m getting the impression not many. The box score doesnt tell it all. I see no strength in this coach. No one is saying this team is a top 3 MAAC talent team. There have been mistakes and recruiting misses from that perspective that diminish the upside of this team. But there are simple things that we could be doing better that would improve our chances of winning greatly. Siena isn't getting blown out, they lose by 4-10 points every MAAC game. Our talent level is probably somewhere around the same level as Quinnipiac, Fairfield, Marist, and Monmouth. The reason why Quinny is 6-4 and the other 3 teams are 3-6, 3-7, and 2-7 is Baker Dunleavy plays to his roster's strengths. They shoot a lot of 3's, get to the line a lot, and they win close games. Give Baker Siena's roster and I think we are probably 5-5 or 6-4. Siena is losing games by close margins, margins that can be solved by good game plans, adjustments, and playing to our strengths. This isn't a roster to run flex offense. It's a roster to space things out, shoot 3's, and force the defense to extend out so you have more space to drive. Those "un-athletic D2-low mid players" look a lot better in games like the Hofstra one (Hofstra is 1 game out of first in the CAA) or the Robert Morris game (winning the NEC).
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 30, 2018 17:30:56 GMT -5
The team is fatally flawed, add a bad coach and a roster made up of un-athletic D2-low mid players and you get exactly what we’ve seen over and over this season. The team lacks foot speed defense is horrible. Playing small making a plan or playing Friday more....is all BS and isn’t helping. Put a bullet in the season and call it a day. How many games (live) have you been to, I’m getting the impression not many. The box score doesnt tell it all. I see no strength in this coach. No one is saying this team is a top 3 MAAC talent team. There have been mistakes and recruiting misses from that perspective that diminish the upside of this team. But there are simple things that we could be doing better that would improve our chances of winning greatly. Siena isn't getting blown out, they lose by 4-10 points every MAAC game. Our talent level is probably somewhere around the same level as Quinnipiac, Fairfield, Marist, and Monmouth. The reason why Quinny is 6-4 and the other 3 teams are 3-6, 3-7, and 2-7 is Baker Dunleavy plays to his roster's strengths. They shoot a lot of 3's, get to the line a lot, and they win close games. Give Baker Siena's roster and I think we are probably 5-5 or 6-4. Siena is losing games by close margins, margins that can be solved by good game plans, adjustments, and playing to our strengths. This isn't a roster to run flex offense. It's a roster to space things out, shoot 3's, and force the defense to extend out so you have more space to drive. Those "un-athletic D2-low mid players" look a lot better in games like the Hofstra one (Hofstra is 1 game out of first in the CAA) or the Robert Morris game (winning the NEC). You guys like numbers? 275 RPI 7-16 record .478 Patsos at Siena That’s all the analytics I need to see... Some of you guys are comical with the never ending ifs, excuses and annotations. It’s pretty simple. Bad coaching, bad recruiting leads to poor results. As long as Rex is here expect more of the same. You can bank on it....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 17:35:24 GMT -5
275 RPI 7-16 record .478 Patsos won pct at Siena That’s all the analytics I need That's cool. As long as your needs are met. That's what's important.
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