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Post by Tony on Jan 5, 2018 6:30:34 GMT -5
OI, seems gold may be one to the ones who think Siena can do no wrong. If your a BB fan than you have to admit WB is a decent coach, knows the x and o's, good recruiter. Most Siena fans that know BB would give anything to have him coaching at Siena. As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. Ok sounds like good story- but is it true? Answer is you get 4 Pinocchio’s for that post David Nichols had 5 or 6 offers coming out of High schools, since he is a jr hard to tell how series they were Cremo – was VERY well regarded when he verbaled to UA at end of his sophomore ( or very early in Jr High school season) but he played for Rocks put up very good stats and was well known he would be a very good player. And even at that early stage Joe had interest from Princeton, Columbia and Elon University. Charles - had offers from Sam Houston State and interest from several other programs Devonte Campbell offer from another AE team binghamton The only player at UA starting that would be a Jimmy type recruit would have been Stire- who has improved every season- he would never get that chance at Siena since Jimmy would run him off I should also add—really you want to compare AE recruiting to MAAC level recruiting, C’mon GoldSaint, you are better than that and one other thing- no I wouldn't want whiny Brown as coach at Siena and I think many others would feel same way- he is a good coach and perfect fit for UA
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Post by gosaints on Jan 5, 2018 10:20:51 GMT -5
As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. Ok sounds like good story- but is it true? Answer is you get 4 Pinocchio’s for that post David Nichols had 5 or 6 offers coming out of High schools, since he is a jr hard to tell how series they were Cremo – was VERY well regarded when he verbaled to UA at end of his sophomore ( or very early in Jr High school season) but he played for Rocks put up very good stats and was well known he would be a very good player. And even at that early stage Joe had interest from Princeton, Columbia and Elon University. Charles - had offers from Sam Houston State and interest from several other programs Devonte Campbell offer from another AE team binghamton The only player at UA starting that would be a Jimmy type recruit would have been Stire- who has improved every season- he would never get that chance at Siena since Jimmy would run him off I should also add—really you want to compare AE recruiting to MAAC level recruiting, C’mon GoldSaint, you are better than that and one other thing- no I wouldn't want whiny Brown as coach at Siena and I think many others would feel same way- he is a good coach and perfect fit for UA Not saying he'd be anywhere near my top picks but I'd take him over Pastos any day of the week. His players improve, he actively recruits, he puts together a game plan and he wins a far share of games.
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Post by clickclack on Jan 5, 2018 11:10:07 GMT -5
What if I told you that leeway which you so back-handily compliment has resulted in numerous times that UA basketball team has taken home the academic trophy? Brown gets good students...and he works them in class and on the court. I know in that head of yours every JUCO is a thug and an academic failure. Last grad report by NCAA UA 73%, UVM 100%, how does UA take home the academic trophy. SB last I knew, could be wrong under 60%. No I don't believe every JUCO is a thug, terrorist, Siena admin not smart enough to bring them in, that's JP challenge and a challenge for moving forward for any new coach. The admin can't see the forest through the trees. Benson has given WB a little more rope because they are trying to build the athletic program. If you don't believe that I have a bridge I will sell you. I think its great how they are doing it. Good luck to them. Dave, you really want to throw can openers while yourself living in a glass house? Talk to me about rope when you can explain drug arrests, theft, kids being on team while nowhere close to graduating etc. Siena program has plenty of rope...to bad all you're doing is hanging yourself with it...
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Post by siena95 on Jan 5, 2018 11:19:18 GMT -5
Why does it even matter & I’m not even sure what you’re trying to compare. It’s essentially meaningless and proves nothing. Brown is successful, Jimmy is about to be canned. If your trying to imply Jimmy need another 6 years you’re crazy!!! My statement is simple: as good a job as Brown has done at Albany, many admins would have canned him after a bad stretch like that. It has nothing to do with keeping JP or not. It’s just a simple what-if and shows that patience can pay off in a athletic department. If Albany fires him after that stretch and doesn’t nail the hire, their program is a low-major garbage can like half the A-East. Instead they are one of the most consistent mid-majors in the sport and set up for long term success. he also had two NCAA appearances in his back pocket, that buys some goodwill and time, esp in what was still a pretty new program. JP has nothing in his back pocket, besides maybe the 2nd half of a meatball sub.
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Post by gosaints on Jan 5, 2018 11:31:43 GMT -5
My statement is simple: as good a job as Brown has done at Albany, many admins would have canned him after a bad stretch like that. It has nothing to do with keeping JP or not. It’s just a simple what-if and shows that patience can pay off in a athletic department. If Albany fires him after that stretch and doesn’t nail the hire, their program is a low-major garbage can like half the A-East. Instead they are one of the most consistent mid-majors in the sport and set up for long term success. he also had two NCAA appearances in his back pocket, that buys some goodwill and time, esp in what was still a pretty new program. JP has nothing in his back pocket, besides maybe the 2nd half of a meatball sub. and roughly $400K a year from Siena admin to spend as he pleases!!!
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Post by clickclack on Jan 5, 2018 11:39:12 GMT -5
As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. Ok sounds like good story- but is it true? Answer is you get 4 Pinocchio’s for that post David Nichols had 5 or 6 offers coming out of High schools, since he is a jr hard to tell how series they were Cremo – was VERY well regarded when he verbaled to UA at end of his sophomore ( or very early in Jr High school season) but he played for Rocks put up very good stats and was well known he would be a very good player. And even at that early stage Joe had interest from Princeton, Columbia and Elon University. Charles - had offers from Sam Houston State and interest from several other programs Devonte Campbell offer from another AE team binghamton The only player at UA starting that would be a Jimmy type recruit would have been Stire- who has improved every season- he would never get that chance at Siena since Jimmy would run him off I should also add—really you want to compare AE recruiting to MAAC level recruiting, C’mon GoldSaint, you are better than that and one other thing- no I wouldn't want whiny Brown as coach at Siena and I think many others would feel same way- he is a good coach and perfect fit for UA Don't worry Tony, why would he downgrade from UA? He's not coming.
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Post by gosaints on Jan 5, 2018 12:20:17 GMT -5
Ok sounds like good story- but is it true? Answer is you get 4 Pinocchio’s for that post David Nichols had 5 or 6 offers coming out of High schools, since he is a jr hard to tell how series they were Cremo – was VERY well regarded when he verbaled to UA at end of his sophomore ( or very early in Jr High school season) but he played for Rocks put up very good stats and was well known he would be a very good player. And even at that early stage Joe had interest from Princeton, Columbia and Elon University. Charles - had offers from Sam Houston State and interest from several other programs Devonte Campbell offer from another AE team binghamton The only player at UA starting that would be a Jimmy type recruit would have been Stire- who has improved every season- he would never get that chance at Siena since Jimmy would run him off I should also add—really you want to compare AE recruiting to MAAC level recruiting, C’mon GoldSaint, you are better than that and one other thing- no I wouldn't want whiny Brown as coach at Siena and I think many others would feel same way- he is a good coach and perfect fit for UA Don't worry Tony, why would he downgrade from UA? He's not coming. Clack he wouldn't make the move because I'm fairly certain he's in the NYS retirement system in his position at UA. Benefits unmatched by any "private institution". His 3 years at Sullivan county and 17 at UA provides him and his family with a nice little nest egg (that will continue to grow) from a Health benefit and monetary position for the rest of his life. He's to invested" to go anywhere else. He proved that to everyone several years ago when he had better opportunities and leveraged them with UA to get a nice pay raise.
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Post by clickclack on Jan 5, 2018 12:29:38 GMT -5
Don't worry Tony, why would he downgrade from UA? He's not coming. Clack he wouldn't make the move because I'm fairly certain he's in the NYS retirement system in his position at UA. Benefits unmatched by any "private institution". His 3 years at Sullivan county and 17 at UA provides him and his family with a nice little nest egg (that will continue to grow) from a Health benefit and monetary position for the rest of his life. He's to invested" to go anywhere else. He proved that to everyone several years ago when he had better opportunities and leveraged them with UA to get a nice pay raise. I was just having a bit of fun...lol But what you say is absolutely true though. Cheers!
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 5, 2018 12:53:22 GMT -5
Don't worry Tony, why would he downgrade from UA? He's not coming. Clack he wouldn't make the move because I'm fairly certain he's in the NYS retirement system in his position at UA. Benefits unmatched by any "private institution". His 3 years at Sullivan county and 17 at UA provides him and his family with a nice little nest egg (that will continue to grow) from a Health benefit and monetary position for the rest of his life. He's to invested" to go anywhere else. He proved that to everyone several years ago when he had better opportunities and leveraged them with UA to get a nice pay raise. And most likely a UA move to much better conference CAA
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Post by clickclack on Jan 5, 2018 14:14:11 GMT -5
Clack he wouldn't make the move because I'm fairly certain he's in the NYS retirement system in his position at UA. Benefits unmatched by any "private institution". His 3 years at Sullivan county and 17 at UA provides him and his family with a nice little nest egg (that will continue to grow) from a Health benefit and monetary position for the rest of his life. He's to invested" to go anywhere else. He proved that to everyone several years ago when he had better opportunities and leveraged them with UA to get a nice pay raise. And most likely a UA move to much better conference CAA That won't happen until SEFCU renovation...they are raising funds now with a sizable commitment already in hand (8 figures)... trying to do it all with private money thus delays etc.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 5, 2018 15:32:44 GMT -5
And most likely a UA move to much better conference CAA That won't happen until SEFCU renovation...they are raising funds now with a sizable commitment already in hand (8 figures)... trying to do it all with private money thus delays etc. What’s the renovation include?
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Post by clickclack on Jan 5, 2018 16:13:10 GMT -5
That won't happen until SEFCU renovation...they are raising funds now with a sizable commitment already in hand (8 figures)... trying to do it all with private money thus delays etc. What’s the renovation include? Complete gut, flip of court, luxury boxes, bowl etc. Preliminary design, but substantial. I suspect design will be properly scoped and sized as the settle on final figures. Think something similar to what SBU has.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 5, 2018 17:03:40 GMT -5
What’s the renovation include? Complete gut, flip of court, luxury boxes, bowl etc. Preliminary design, but substantial. I suspect design will be properly scoped and sized as the settle on final figures. Think something similar to what SBU has. Smart move by UA. Didn’t realize SBU new facility was that nice. Siena needs to get their $hit together.
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Post by clickclack on Jan 5, 2018 17:18:33 GMT -5
Complete gut, flip of court, luxury boxes, bowl etc. Preliminary design, but substantial. I suspect design will be properly scoped and sized as the settle on final figures. Think something similar to what SBU has. Smart move by UA. Didn’t realize SBU new facility was that nice. Siena needs to get their $hit together. Stonybrook renovated an old facility as well for 21.1 million. State gave them 20 and private donations pitched in 1.1. Albany is trying to do most of the work with private donations of which they already have a substantial amount. SBU facility is just a bit north of 4k, I believe Albany will push for slightly larger all chairback bowl around 5k.
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Post by $cott on Jan 5, 2018 17:22:14 GMT -5
Smart move by UA. Didn’t realize SBU new facility was that nice. Siena needs to get their $hit together. Stonybrook renovated an old facility as well for 21.1 million. State gave them 20 and private donations pitched in 1.1. Albany is trying to do most of the work with private donations of which they already have a substantial amount. SBU facility is just a bit north of 4k, I believe Albany will push for slightly larger all chairback bowl around 5k. How am I supposed to come home with a sore back after every Albany game if they do that?
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