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Post by mjs72 on Jan 4, 2018 15:45:51 GMT -5
OI, seems gold may be one to the ones who think Siena can do no wrong. If your a BB fan than you have to admit WB is a decent coach, knows the x and o's, good recruiter. Most Siena fans that know BB would give anything to have him coaching at Siena. As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. Only reason Cremo only had the UA offer was it was clear that was where he wanted to play. He would have had plenty if he was seen as available. Kid is a baller
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Post by olddave on Jan 4, 2018 15:49:31 GMT -5
As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. Only reason Cremo only had the UA offer was it was clear that was where he wanted to play. He would have had plenty if he was seen as available. Kid is a baller Yepp your correct. Still think it was a mistake, he had the offer from UA, wanted to go there, that's fine, but you never put all your eggs in one basket and always good to see what else is out there. May have been able to get a little extra though doubt it from UA. Kid can shoot.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 4, 2018 16:26:15 GMT -5
OI, seems gold may be one to the ones who think Siena can do no wrong. If your a BB fan than you have to admit WB is a decent coach, knows the x and o's, good recruiter. Most Siena fans that know BB would give anything to have him coaching at Siena. As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. Sure Brown would have. Rex is working on year five of his patented rebuild. Rex’s problem is he’s on pace to lose over 70% of his recruiting class over the first 3 years. Ya’ ain’t winning anything with that recruiting track record. Add he’s an awful x’s/o’s guy whichjust compounds an already bad situation. I’m not even gonna get into the Assistants turning over. They should just install a revolving door in the Arc. At least Brown can coach and his recruiting caught up.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 4, 2018 16:37:39 GMT -5
As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. Sure Brown would have. Rex is working on year five of his patented rebuild. Rex’s problem is he’s on pace to lose over 70% of his recruiting class over the first 3 years. Ya’ ain’t winning anything with that recruiting track record. Add he’s an awful x’s/o’s guy whichjust compounds an already bad situation. I’m not even gonna get into the Assistants turning over. They should just install a revolving door in the Arc. Rex’s gaffs could exit a lot quicker. At least Brown can coach and his recruiting caught up. If any Siena coach went 15-15, 15-16, 7-25, and 16-16 in a span of 4 straight years, you would call for his head. Don’t deny it. In 4 years JP has 20-18, 11-20, 21-13, 17-17, and you and many others have said he’s killing the program. That’s not saying that Brown is objectively a better coach than JP (he is). The 3 years after that he 3-peated in the conference tournament. But would he have had that chance at Siena? My guess is the answer is no. It’s certainly a question.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 4, 2018 16:49:10 GMT -5
Sure Brown would have. Rex is working on year five of his patented rebuild. Rex’s problem is he’s on pace to lose over 70% of his recruiting class over the first 3 years. Ya’ ain’t winning anything with that recruiting track record. Add he’s an awful x’s/o’s guy whichjust compounds an already bad situation. I’m not even gonna get into the Assistants turning over. They should just install a revolving door in the Arc. Rex’s gaffs could exit a lot quicker. At least Brown can coach and his recruiting caught up. If any Siena coach went 15-15, 15-16, 7-25, and 16-16 in a span of 4 straight years, you would call for his head. Don’t deny it. In 4 years JP has 20-18, 11-20, 21-13, 17-17, and you and many others have said he’s killing the program. That’s not saying that Brown is objectively a better coach than JP (he is). The 3 years after that he 3-peated in the conference tournament. But would he have had that chance at Siena? My guess is the answer is no. It’s certainly a question. Why does it even matter & I’m not even sure what you’re trying to compare. It’s essentially meaningless and proves nothing. Brown is successful, Jimmy is about to be canned. If you’re trying to imply Jimmy needs another 5 years to be successful you’re stone cold crazy!!! Jimbo has one thing Brown didn’t a 15 year 500 trackrecord in the same conference. What you see is what’s you get. Meh!
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 4, 2018 17:00:54 GMT -5
If any Siena coach went 15-15, 15-16, 7-25, and 16-16 in a span of 4 straight years, you would call for his head. Don’t deny it. In 4 years JP has 20-18, 11-20, 21-13, 17-17, and you and many others have said he’s killing the program. That’s not saying that Brown is objectively a better coach than JP (he is). The 3 years after that he 3-peated in the conference tournament. But would he have had that chance at Siena? My guess is the answer is no. It’s certainly a question. Why does it even matter & I’m not even sure what you’re trying to compare. It’s essentially meaningless and proves nothing. Brown is successful, Jimmy is about to be canned. If your trying to imply Jimmy need another 6 years you’re crazy!!! My statement is simple: as good a job as Brown has done at Albany, many admins would have canned him after a bad stretch like that. It has nothing to do with keeping JP or not. It’s just a simple what-if and shows that patience can pay off in a athletic department. If Albany fires him after that stretch and doesn’t nail the hire, their program is a low-major garbage can like half the A-East. Instead they are one of the most consistent mid-majors in the sport and set up for long term success.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 4, 2018 17:05:14 GMT -5
Why does it even matter & I’m not even sure what you’re trying to compare. It’s essentially meaningless and proves nothing. Brown is successful, Jimmy is about to be canned. If your trying to imply Jimmy need another 6 years you’re crazy!!! My statement is simple: as good a job as Brown has done at Albany, many admins would have canned him after a bad stretch like that. It has nothing to do with keeping JP or not. It’s just a simple what-if and shows that patience can pay off in a athletic department. If Albany fires him after that stretch and doesn’t nail the hire, their program is a low-major garbage can like half the A-East. Instead they are one of the most consistent mid-majors in the sport and set up for long term success. Doesn’t matter never happened Brown wasn’t fired and now we know how it played out. You can play that game all day what if we didn’t hire Mitch or Jimmy and conducted a proper search? Where would we be now? We didn’t and now we know how that played out. Get it? Pointless game.
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Post by clickclack on Jan 4, 2018 17:05:54 GMT -5
As I said, it was sarcasm. Brown is really solid coach who finds a lot of undervalued guys and turns them into really good players. Charles, Cremo, Stire, and Campbell (4 starters) had a combined 1 offer other than Albany (Cambell had 1 from Binghamton, that’s it). He does a really good job. That said, Brown had 4 straight .500 or below seasons (including a 7-25 in the 3rd year) after going to the NCAA’s for the first two times. Would he have survived that at Siena, where expectations are higher? This is a fair question. He then adjusted, getting more JUCO and opening the Aussie pipeline, and he’s won big. cool, misinterpreted. As far as WB at Siena, depending on leeway they gave him for recruits would dictate how well he would do. If he went in with Fran M attitude he would do well, JP attitude of not making waves everyone is your friend not to well. UA gives WB a lot of leeway, unlike Siena AD and admin What if I told you that leeway which you so back-handily compliment has resulted in numerous times that UA basketball team has taken home the academic trophy? Brown gets good students...and he works them in class and on the court. I know in that head of yours every JUCO is a thug and an academic failure.
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Post by olddave on Jan 4, 2018 17:43:48 GMT -5
cool, misinterpreted. As far as WB at Siena, depending on leeway they gave him for recruits would dictate how well he would do. If he went in with Fran M attitude he would do well, JP attitude of not making waves everyone is your friend not to well. UA gives WB a lot of leeway, unlike Siena AD and admin What if I told you that leeway which you so back-handily compliment has resulted in numerous times that UA basketball team has taken home the academic trophy? Brown gets good students...and he works them in class and on the court. I know in that head of yours every JUCO is a thug and an academic failure. Last grad report by NCAA UA 73%, UVM 100%, how does UA take home the academic trophy. SB last I knew, could be wrong under 60%. No I don't believe every JUCO is a thug, terrorist, Siena admin not smart enough to bring them in, that's JP challenge and a challenge for moving forward for any new coach. The admin can't see the forest through the trees. Benson has given WB a little more rope because they are trying to build the athletic program. If you don't believe that I have a bridge I will sell you. I think its great how they are doing it. Good luck to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 17:44:22 GMT -5
First of all let me give some background - I recall the games way back when dog crap was still brown and we played Albany State at the Armory - took a ton of years (and the dog crap turned white) to erase some of that old stuff! I think, in this current era of total polarization (not referring to the arctic polar blasts we've been recipients of) in just about every aspect of our lives, that we step back and realize we have two D1 basketball programs playing in the area. One is playing well and one is....you fill it in. I think it's way past the time to bury the hatchet (old Indian references may still be ok???) and look at each Program on their own until the next time, if ever, we meet on the court. We play in different conferences, they've already taken over the front page of the TU's sports section. Give them their due - costs us nothing AND as some have mentioned, they afford another opportunity (sadly, maybe the only opportunity) to go and watch some good, competitive D1 hoop locally. Don't criticize them for the success of their head coach and their Athletic Department - save your energy and try to fix ours....
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Post by olddave on Jan 4, 2018 17:47:33 GMT -5
First of all let me give some background - I recall the games way back when dog crap was still brown and we played Albany State at the Armory - took a ton of years (and the dog crap turned white) to erase some of that old stuff! I think, in this current era of total polarization (not referring to the arctic polar blasts we've been recipients of) in just about every aspect of our lives, that we step back and realize we have two D1 basketball programs playing in the area. One is playing well and one is....you fill it in. I think it's way past the time to bury the hatchet (old Indian references may still be ok???) and look at each Program on their own until the next time, if ever, we meet on the court. We play in different conferences, they've already taken over the front page of the TU's sports section. Give them their due - costs us nothing AND as some have mentioned, they afford another opportunity (sadly, maybe the only opportunity) to go and watch some good, competitive D1 hoop locally. Don't criticize them for the success of their head coach and their Athletic Department - save your energy and try to fix ours.... Spot on MP. Both programs have their faults challenges. One is down , someday may be back. Unfortunately for most like you and I, there are fans who think their programs can do no wrong. Good Post
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 4, 2018 18:41:45 GMT -5
First of all let me give some background - I recall the games way back when dog crap was still brown and we played Albany State at the Armory - took a ton of years (and the dog crap turned white) to erase some of that old stuff! I think, in this current era of total polarization (not referring to the arctic polar blasts we've been recipients of) in just about every aspect of our lives, that we step back and realize we have two D1 basketball programs playing in the area. One is playing well and one is....you fill it in. I think it's way past the time to bury the hatchet (old Indian references may still be ok???) and look at each Program on their own until the next time, if ever, we meet on the court. We play in different conferences, they've already taken over the front page of the TU's sports section. Give them their due - costs us nothing AND as some have mentioned, they afford another opportunity (sadly, maybe the only opportunity) to go and watch some good, competitive D1 hoop locally. Don't criticize them for the success of their head coach and their Athletic Department - save your energy and try to fix ours.... Exactly! I would also add that if both programs do well and improve conferences how awesome that would be for the area. Siena’s success is not contingent upon UA’s failure, in fact, I think their mutual success is great for the area and both programs.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 4, 2018 20:43:19 GMT -5
Guess I’m in the minority on this one, still root for them to lose every game. Would never attend a game unless it was to see them lose against a team I was rooting for.
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Post by clickclack on Jan 4, 2018 20:57:48 GMT -5
Guess I’m in the minority on this one, still root for them to lose every game. Would never attend a game unless it was to see them lose against a team I was rooting for. You'll come around in a few more patsos years... Jk, I can respect that.
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Post by Tony on Jan 5, 2018 6:04:44 GMT -5
Why does it even matter & I’m not even sure what you’re trying to compare. It’s essentially meaningless and proves nothing. Brown is successful, Jimmy is about to be canned. If your trying to imply Jimmy need another 6 years you’re crazy!!! My statement is simple: as good a job as Brown has done at Albany, many admins would have canned him after a bad stretch like that. It has nothing to do with keeping JP or not. It’s just a simple what-if and shows that patience can pay off in a athletic department. If Albany fires him after that stretch and doesn’t nail the hire, their program is a low-major garbage can like half the A-East. Instead they are one of the most consistent mid-majors in the sport and set up for long term success. Very selective post there GoldSaint, and I must say quite misleading - I get where you are going but you are comparing apples to oranges. First of all Brown had some good will built up with his back to back NCAA appearances( preceding your selective 5 years) get back to me when Jimmy has 1 NCAA trip from Siena let alone two. Secondly you have a very selective memory. Will Brown was “on the ropes” in that 5 year stretch- The UA AD at the time ( McElroy) actually let Brown Coach into his last season as a lame duck – no contract extensions for going 500 or 4 games over 500,( like our inept AD would do) Brown didn’t get a 5 year extension from UA till he went back to NCAA’s So yeah even with the 2 NCAA trips Brown was very close to getting canned- even with 2 NCAA appearances A much better question for you is this? What has Jimmy done in last 5 years to prove to you he deserves to be Siena coach? Do you have any confidence he can coach and recruit at level to make Siena a consistent MAAC contender- has he done anything at Siena to show he is anything other than a career 500 coach that will slooowly kill Siena program To review Siena's overall talent level is as low as I've seen in 30 years at Siena, we are currently 4-11, 0-2 in MAAC Jimmy is 6 games under 500 at Siena 73-79, Siena is headed for its 4th losing regular season in 5 years under Patsos. Jimmy knew he was losing 4 starters last season and spent almost entire offseason "on vacation" Now is NOT the time to be arguing for patience with head coach, he has done very little to justify that
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