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Post by OneIndian on Dec 23, 2017 15:29:36 GMT -5
Jimmy needs an ace recruiter who comes with relationships and he doesn’t seem to have that guy Might as well add an assistant that can coach x’s and o’s as well. Because that isn’t Rex’s strong suit either. Hum. Wait we need an assistant who can recruit and an assistant who can coach, damn why we paying the the big guy in the Mark Thomas suit’s $350k! What is Rex’s strong suit anyway?
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Post by greenblood on Dec 23, 2017 15:40:08 GMT -5
Gary Williams...and a list of other names consistently dropped.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 23, 2017 16:14:15 GMT -5
Reputation, past performance record, lack if NCAA trips as head coach. enough said that if a kid has choices they are Going with a winner. Period. Not to mention if you did recruit from an AAU program (in bmore or ALB) and then it was known you screwed that kid over that bridge is toast. What's "screwed over" mean? Not playing? That's the problem with players today. They sit, they immediately want to leave. No payience. Ned immediate satisfaction or they ll move on. Happens everywhere, at the same rate as us. And from where the transfers end up, it seems like JP did them a favor by giving them a D-1 scholarship, since every kid that left went D-2 or a lower 1. You ll go to LaRose (who I lobbied for after seeing him his junior year vs Albany Academy), but truth is Kinnon had only one D-1 offer, Siena. Is that "screwing him over?" I do still think Kinnon could contribute here, but off the bench and in a certain role. He didn't want to wait for that to materialize. He's no different then the 1000 kids that transfer every year.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 23, 2017 16:17:31 GMT -5
And is that why Kinnon went to Sacred Heart? To be a winner and go to the NCAA Tourney? Please. He wanted to PLAY. That's the first, second and third reasons kid pick a school now. And that's why JPs biggest failure was not getting four "starter level" kids, he only got 2. We needed 4.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 23, 2017 16:39:10 GMT -5
Bull$hit. It was way more than that and you know it. He went way over the line verbally abusing Kinnon in sight and earshot if the entire team and staff. You think AAU coaches don't know the whole story? You are sadly mistaken. Yes JP is the Santa Claus of D-1 scholarship favors, on that I agree.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 23, 2017 16:42:30 GMT -5
Reputation, past performance record, lack if NCAA trips as head coach. enough said that if a kid has choices they are Going with a winner. Period. Not to mention if you did recruit from an AAU program (in bmore or ALB) and then it was known you screwed that kid over that bridge is toast. What's "screwed over" mean? Not playing? That's the problem with players today. They sit, they immediately want to leave. No payience. Ned immediate satisfaction or they ll move on. Happens everywhere, at the same rate as us. And from where the transfers end up, it seems like JP did them a favor by giving them a D-1 scholarship, since every kid that left went D-2 or a lower 1. You ll go to LaRose (who I lobbied for after seeing him his junior year vs Albany Academy), but truth is Kinnon had only one D-1 offer, Siena. Is that "screwing him over?" I do still think Kinnon could contribute here, but off the bench and in a certain role. He didn't want to wait for that to materialize. He's no different then the 1000 kids that transfer every year. C’mon you kill me, yeah some leave for that reason and others were flat out run off in an attempt to correct major recruiting gaffs on his part. Kids don’t want to play for Rex. I have first hand knowledge of 1 local kid who’s parents wanted nothing to do with Rex. What’s that tell ya’ and say about your buddy? You can bet your bottom dollar he’s having issues finding kids because his rep precedes him, the proofs in the results. Look who he’s brought in, the caliber of player and what offers they’ve had, not great. Over five years 3 maybe 4 decent players recruited specifically to Siena. Pittful! Don’t kid yourself there’s a major reason for it, it’s called trust.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 23, 2017 17:08:11 GMT -5
Bull$hit. It was way more than that and you know it. He went way over the line verbally abusing Kinnon in sight and earshot if the entire team and staff. You think AAU coaches don't know the whole story? You are sadly mistaken. Yes JP is the Santa Claus of D-1 scholarship favors, on that I agree. "Verbally abusing?" Lots of coaches scream. Bobby Knight was worse than JP. If you're thin skinned, I agree, JP probably isnt the coach for you, BUT he is the only D-1 coach that offered him a scholarship. So I guess being screamed at during practice/game wasnt that big a deal on NLI day?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 17:50:12 GMT -5
Bull$hit. It was way more than that and you know it. He went way over the line verbally abusing Kinnon in sight and earshot if the entire team and staff. You think AAU coaches don't know the whole story? You are sadly mistaken. Yes JP is the Santa Claus of D-1 scholarship favors, on that I agree. "Verbally abusing?" Lots of coaches scream. Bobby Knight was worse than JP. If you're thin skinned, I agree, JP probably isnt the coach for you, BUT he is the only D-1 coach that offered him a scholarship. So I guess being screamed at during practice/game wasnt that big a deal on NLI day? Don't conflate behavior on the practice floor with behavior during a game - there is a huge difference - I've been in a ton of practices and watched/listened as coaches screamed/cajoled/praised/you name it at their players. After one pretty heated session I told one of the kids that I felt a little embarrassed being there - he told me not to worry, the team was used to the group of regulars at practice. He said it was much different in front of a huge crowd, including family, friends, etc. I got it. Similar to the Las Vegas Marketing slogan - "What goes on in practice, stays in practice"! Our current HC has no such sensitivity - it's all about him so why would he care. He recently has demonstrated a behavior that is one or two notches down from the regular JP-1 rants. Thank you D'Arg - at least you got one change made, although not completely cured. JP-1 seems to be rearing his ugly side now and then -it's either felt job related pressure or the MT suit/shirt combo is restricting his blood flow. Tom Huerter played for a very demanding and vocal (on the practice floor) coach but in all cases that I have seen, he and Mike left practice each day with the screaming emotions on the practice floor and laughs and jokes on the screen. I bet JP has a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. HIDE (sic) personality when a recruit is in the building....OBTW, comparing Bobby Knight to JP on any level does not help your argument....
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Post by Tony on Dec 23, 2017 17:52:47 GMT -5
The glaring stat to me on Patsos recruiting is fact in 14 years he has only recruited 1 first team ALL MAAC player he recruited out of high school or prep. At Siena in Jimmy’s first 4 years Marquis Wright 2nd team ALL MAAC last year is only ALL MAAC honor kid he has recruited at Siena ( Poole, JO and Bisping all were Fran or Mitch recruits) let’s face it the man has never got it done recruiting 4 year players. And he is not going to get the transfers here at Siena he got at Loyola. And yeah playing time is important- but what happened last 2 years when he had plenty of playing time to offer- sorry go back to Jimmy has NEVER consistently recruited top level mid major talent
Jimmy does a decent job of recruiting hard nose kids that fit his style. Because of his coaching style, fact he takes summers off and lack of NCAA success he will never recruit at level most Siena fans want- he will however be competitive most years and in the end that may be enough for Siena
But please lets not pretend Jimmy will all of a sudden work kids hard and become a good talent evaluator, and actually land top mid major kids in competitive recruiting situations because he has never consistently done that in 14 years as head coach
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 23, 2017 18:46:31 GMT -5
"Verbally abusing?" Lots of coaches scream. Bobby Knight was worse than JP. If you're thin skinned, I agree, JP probably isnt the coach for you, BUT he is the only D-1 coach that offered him a scholarship. So I guess being screamed at during practice/game wasnt that big a deal on NLI day? Don't conflate behavior on the practice floor with behavior during a game - there is a huge difference - I've been in a ton of practices and watched/listened as coaches screamed/cajoled/praised/you name it at their players. After one pretty heated session I told one of the kids that I felt a little embarrassed being there - he told me not to worry, the team was used to the group of regulars at practice. He said it was much different in front of a huge crowd, including family, friends, etc. I got it. Similar to the Las Vegas Marketing slogan - "What goes on in practice, stays in practice"! Our current HC has no such sensitivity - it's all about him so why would he care. He recently has demonstrated a behavior that is one or two notches down from the regular JP-1 rants. Thank you D'Arg - at least you got one change made, although not completely cured. JP-1 seems to be rearing his ugly side now and then -it's either felt job related pressure or the MT suit/shirt combo is restricting his blood flow. Tom Huerter played for a very demanding and vocal (on the practice floor) coach but in all cases that I have seen, he and Mike left practice each day with the screaming emotions on the practice floor and laughs and jokes on the screen. I bet JP has a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. HIDE (sic) personality when a recruit is in the building....OBTW, comparing Bobby Knight to JP on any level does not help your argument.... Yeah, because Bobby Knight never yelled at or embarrassed his players. Or made a fool of himself with his on court actions. Or his furniture throwing. Or choking his players. If you think I was comparing their coaching success, it might be time for your beddy bye.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 23, 2017 19:08:23 GMT -5
Don't conflate behavior on the practice floor with behavior during a game - there is a huge difference - I've been in a ton of practices and watched/listened as coaches screamed/cajoled/praised/you name it at their players. After one pretty heated session I told one of the kids that I felt a little embarrassed being there - he told me not to worry, the team was used to the group of regulars at practice. He said it was much different in front of a huge crowd, including family, friends, etc. I got it. Similar to the Las Vegas Marketing slogan - "What goes on in practice, stays in practice"! Our current HC has no such sensitivity - it's all about him so why would he care. He recently has demonstrated a behavior that is one or two notches down from the regular JP-1 rants. Thank you D'Arg - at least you got one change made, although not completely cured. JP-1 seems to be rearing his ugly side now and then -it's either felt job related pressure or the MT suit/shirt combo is restricting his blood flow. Tom Huerter played for a very demanding and vocal (on the practice floor) coach but in all cases that I have seen, he and Mike left practice each day with the screaming emotions on the practice floor and laughs and jokes on the screen. I bet JP has a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. HIDE (sic) personality when a recruit is in the building....OBTW, comparing Bobby Knight to JP on any level does not help your argument.... Yeah, because Bobby Knight never yelled at or embarrassed his players. Or made a fool of himself with his on court actions. Or his furniture throwing. Or choking his players. If you think I was comparing their coaching success, it might be time for your beddy bye. And what happened to Mr Knight?
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Post by billmurray on Dec 23, 2017 19:20:49 GMT -5
Yeah, because Bobby Knight never yelled at or embarrassed his players. Or made a fool of himself with his on court actions. Or his furniture throwing. Or choking his players. If you think I was comparing their coaching success, it might be time for your beddy bye. And what happened to Mr Knight? Hall of Fame?
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 23, 2017 19:49:50 GMT -5
HJ - I am usually in your court but Knight won and when you win we all tolerate more. Just a fact if life in sports or business. Also, Knight never would have been able to do that today just like we have to treat employees differently and coddle them
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 23, 2017 20:03:56 GMT -5
And what happened to Mr Knight? Hall of Fame? Thanks for playing Bill but errrrrrrrr wrong answer Indiana University president Myles Brand fired Knight after 29 years at the university, calling Knight's behavior “uncivil, defiant and unacceptable.” The man never wanted to leave and his career was pretty much not the same after being fired not exactly a great way to end a career. I’d say it was a bit of an embarrassment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 20:23:38 GMT -5
Don't conflate behavior on the practice floor with behavior during a game - there is a huge difference - I've been in a ton of practices and watched/listened as coaches screamed/cajoled/praised/you name it at their players. After one pretty heated session I told one of the kids that I felt a little embarrassed being there - he told me not to worry, the team was used to the group of regulars at practice. He said it was much different in front of a huge crowd, including family, friends, etc. I got it. Similar to the Las Vegas Marketing slogan - "What goes on in practice, stays in practice"! Our current HC has no such sensitivity - it's all about him so why would he care. He recently has demonstrated a behavior that is one or two notches down from the regular JP-1 rants. Thank you D'Arg - at least you got one change made, although not completely cured. JP-1 seems to be rearing his ugly side now and then -it's either felt job related pressure or the MT suit/shirt combo is restricting his blood flow. Tom Huerter played for a very demanding and vocal (on the practice floor) coach but in all cases that I have seen, he and Mike left practice each day with the screaming emotions on the practice floor and laughs and jokes on the screen. I bet JP has a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. HIDE (sic) personality when a recruit is in the building....OBTW, comparing Bobby Knight to JP on any level does not help your argument.... Yeah, because Bobby Knight never yelled at or embarrassed his players. Or made a fool of himself with his on court actions. Or his furniture throwing. Or choking his players. If you think I was comparing their coaching success, it might be time for your beddy bye. OMG, I bet you need to use your GPS to get home at night! Take a deep breath and try and recall the reason you were citing Coach Knight - the discussion was on whether players or their parents would want to play or have their kids play for a coach that yelled and screamed. You used Bobby Knight as an example to make your point that the fact that JP yells and screams would not impact a kid's recruitment - REALLY! I'm sure a so-so MAAC coach would be on an equal footing, if screaming and yelling were the only discriminators, as Bobby Knight - REALLY! You were making your point re Coach Knight solely on coaching success, a level that so-so will never reach despite "his" National Championship Ring. Nite-Nite!!!!!!
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