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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 26, 2017 10:25:14 GMT -5
HJ, I generally agree with you (can world peace be far behind?) but I would exempt BB for the most part. I think the kid has a winner's mentality and with a few exceptions (mostly last season) battled every minute whether up by 20 or down by 20. The disappointing revelations by MW give me hope for the upcoming season, and do they help explain NC's past season? Maybe "the blame" was placed on the wrong guy. If I had to rate them in least available at crunch time, Brett would be 4th of the seniors, so I agree with you somewhat, but he was a senior so he had to be included in my analysis. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jul 26, 2017 11:33:45 GMT -5
so we are back at this point again. Except now its the entire team's fault and not the career .500 coach who has won essentially nothing. And.... recruited them.
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A) they had talent and were not utilized correctly and in fact were forced into his mold. Which is Patsos fault.
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B) they had character flaws that caused a lot of background conflict which prevented them from succeeding. Which is Patsos fault for recruiting them.
I dont care how you look at this. Large amount of turnover + mediocrity finish + (A or B) = Coach's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 11:57:39 GMT -5
so we are back at this point again. Except now its the entire team's fault and not the career .500 coach who has won essentially nothing. And.... recruited them. either A) they had talent and were not utilized correctly and in fact were forced into his mold. Which is Patsos fault. or B) they had character flaws that caused a lot of background conflict which prevented them from succeeding. Which is Patsos fault for recruiting them. I dont care how you look at this. Large amount of turnover + mediocrity finish + (A or B) = Coach's fault. I swear I had this same math problem on my SATs. I'm pretty sure B arrives 30 mins earlier than A. |
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Post by mjs72 on Jul 26, 2017 12:06:58 GMT -5
SaintsFan,Greenblood, Misspractice and OneIndian=The Four Horseman of the Patsosacolypse. ( no disrespect intended)
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Post by hockeyguy on Jul 26, 2017 12:11:28 GMT -5
so we are back at this point again. Except now its the entire team's fault and not the career .500 coach who has won essentially nothing. And.... recruited them. either A) they had talent and were not utilized correctly and in fact were forced into his mold. Which is Patsos fault. or B) they had character flaws that caused a lot of background conflict which prevented them from succeeding. Which is Patsos fault for recruiting them. I dont care how you look at this. Large amount of turnover + mediocrity finish + (A or B) = Coach's fault. I swear I had this same math problem on my SATs. I'm pretty sure B arrives 30 mins earlier than A. Wrong. Train A was on Greenwich Mean Time and left the station 6 hours before Train B. (it's details man, details) |
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Post by greenblood on Jul 26, 2017 12:17:18 GMT -5
SaintsFan,Greenblood, Misspractice and OneIndian=The Four Horseman of the Patsosacolypse. ( no disrespect intended) Nope, again, just calling it like we see it based on past performance record which speaks for itself. Sorry if we just don't buy the bullshit. |
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Post by bigfan on Jul 26, 2017 13:41:37 GMT -5
I always liked Marquis' game, and am puzzled by these statements to some degree. Like PPC, I would say that he wasn't reigned in much during his time at Siena - not sure what additional green light that he feels he needed to shine at Siena. I have not read the comments in detail, so maybe I just need to educate myself a bit more.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 26, 2017 14:21:38 GMT -5
SaintsFan,Greenblood, Misspractice and OneIndian=The Four Horseman of the Patsosacolypse. ( no disrespect intended) Nope, again, just calling it like we see it based on past performance record which speaks for itself. Sorry if we just don't buy the bullshit. So am I. I just the judge the people actually taking the shots and dribbling the basketball. The "It's always the coaches fault" bullshit is a crock. The ones that hate the coach blame him for every missed shot, every turnover etc....THAT is the bullshit you shouldn't be buying and just once hold these 22 yo's responsible for THEIR performance on the floor. |
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Post by greenblood on Jul 26, 2017 14:34:00 GMT -5
I do hold them responsible for their actions like suspensions, team rule violations, not going to class etc. Good coaches put their recruits in position to win through consistency in planning and recruiting pieces that fit. Are you saying that for 13 years he has had no influence on his record because it's always the fault of his recruits failure to execute? Not buying it.
I'm not saying this past Senior class was full of superstars in fact I have said it was a case of trying to fit square pegs into round holes for most of the season, and the season before that, and the two seasons before that.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 26, 2017 15:28:48 GMT -5
Regardless of what side you're on, at the end of the day, it's on the players to execute and make plays. Make shots. Get rebounds, and so forth. Sure the coach can help them make those responsibilities easier, but the JP haters just ignore watching seniors turn the ball over in crunch time, or miss open shots to win games. Then to further the lynching, the idiotic logic is, "well he recruited them!" Smh
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 26, 2017 15:34:23 GMT -5
Wright was a 40 min player for 4 years. He was not held back at all. He took the most shots and had the ball the most even when he was moved to the 2. That was not a winning formula. Can't have it both ways. There were players that were held back by being pulled for every mistake or not playing at all. Wright never went thru that. He could turn the ball over 5x and stay in the game. Patsos should feel betrayed after reading this. Wow The fact of the matter is that you’ve been openly critical of Marquis for several years. Not sure if it was because of your belief that he was only out for himself or resentment that he got the attention that you felt your son should have got. There was a major team chemistry issue last year and I have always believed it had to do with Marquis, Nico and Lavon and their perceived roles and where the credit was going. Your son was an exceptional talent as he displayed his senior year. Unfortunately his first three years he seemed to be his own worst enemy. Constant foul trouble, issues off the court and disappearing at times during games which I believe were from frustration over his role on the team. There were many times when he clearly was the best player on the court and could take over the game and other times when he appeared to just be going through the motions. I do lay a lot of this at JP’s feet as it’s a coaches job to see these issues and resolve them in the locker room before they get out on the court. If many of the posters on this board saw this during the season, why didn’t the coaching staff? And if they did see it, why didn’t they get it resolved? We lost a good portion of last season because of these issues and I am still pissed that we didn’t achieve the lofty goals that were very attainable had the team all been on the same page. Lavon did what he was allowed to do on the court. He played the position he was told to play. He was the 4th or 5th option on the court depending on the lineup but the most efficient. He was not allowed to play thru his mistakes like the Big 3 were. As for off the court he is not perfect nor is he a bad guy. I am proud of the man he has become. The challenges that he went thru over the 4 years at Siena are part of growing up. He will not be doing any interviews on how he was not allowed to play his game or tbat he was held back by Patsos. He accepts the outcome of his time here and has moved on with his life. I have posted about the style of play and how it only served one person. That would have been fine had we won. But we didnt. Its not on the player its on the staff that allowed it. So its funny to see this complaint from someone that was given so much. Players transferred because of this. Another was suspended from the team in favor of this player after threatening to quit. Good news is the team could be better this year if the favortism stops and the players are allowed to compete for time. And more than one or two guys can play thru their mistakes |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 26, 2017 15:38:45 GMT -5
Total dick move by Wright. It makes him look bad. We now know where the chemistry issue came from and sienna. Really? I already knew all of this but if I mentioned it here they say I have something against the kid. He just told the world that he played for himself. So case closed |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 15:48:59 GMT -5
This is like the greatest article PPC has ever read.
Did anyone see the P.S. at the bottom where Wright said Richard was taking his place?
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 26, 2017 15:49:10 GMT -5
We just have to hope the brush fire licking at the PG position is extinguished vice being continually fanned by one who will go unnamed... As long as the pg position is earned there shouldnt be any problems. Wright walked into it as a freshman over Hymes and was allowed to grow. He played thru mistakes and played every significant min good or bad for 4 years. No one else on the team got that. With his personality it caused problems with the team and people transferred that were not given half the chance that he had. I am stunned that he is complaining now. |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 26, 2017 15:50:12 GMT -5
This is like the greatest article PPC has ever read. Its actually good that the truth has come out. Its not news to me tho and not good for the program |
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