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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 23, 2017 11:35:35 GMT -5
I dont think he gets "run off" either, but he'll probably leave to go somewhere he THINKS he can play 30 min a night.
With Wojick coming in, I expect two guards to leave, and I think it'll be Smithen and Richard. I'll also be surprised if Camper ever plays a minute here.
Tariq and Malachi in the 'I8 class and we have a MAAC title contender next year.
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Post by rickyp on Jul 23, 2017 11:37:02 GMT -5
One thing these guys coming off the bench should realize if your a border line starter you basically playing against the other teams backups so you should have a advantage excel at what you do best
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 12:18:05 GMT -5
I dont think he gets "run off" either, but he'll probably leave to go somewhere he THINKS he can play 30 min a night. With Wojick coming in, I expect two guards to leave, and I think it'll be Smithen and Richard. I'll also be surprised if Camper ever plays a minute here. Tariq and Malachi in the 'I8 class and we have a MAAC title contender next year. I can see Smithen graduating because of Penn, Horn, and Bentley...and I can also see Richard because of those same 3 plus Wojcik. However, it would be a shame for Camper to never even have an opportunity to ever prove what he's got. But I would agree that bringing in Wojcik, De Sousa, and Johnson would basically decrease the kid's chances significantly. |
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Post by musicman on Jul 24, 2017 1:17:33 GMT -5
It is a fact that Richard accepted the scholarship to play the point for Siena. He was told he would replace Wright. It is not something I made up. So if Patsos has changed up in favor of the unproven freshman then Richard has no reason to stay. Small guards with the ability to play the pg position look for schools that will play them there. Richard would not be here had Patsos told him during recruitment that he would not play the point. He and Nico were looking forward to starting as the 1-2 punch in the back court. But Patsos brought in Penn and handed him the spot before he earned it. He just got rid of Richard like he has done to others. So movement coming I would guess It is true that Patsos brought in Richard to play the point. I don't deny that. That fact was noted in an interview with Richard when he signed his letter of intent. However, the Patsos comment that he has to accept that he's a 2 in a 1's body leads me to suspect that they tried it and it was observed that he didn't have the skills to run the point on the division 1 level. Penn was handed anything before earning it - and neither was Richard. Sounds like both were observed in that position, and Penn was the better choice. Penn is no more unproven at the 1 then Richard is. He has been practicing with the team since January. So I doubt the decision was made sight unseen. Wouldn't you agree that starting the best player at the position as witnessed in practice is what's best for the team? I don't think Richard is going to be run off. I think he's going to be given the opportunity to excel at the position that best utilizes his particular set of skills. I think he's going to embrace the 6th man position of instant offense off the bench that Nico excelled at as a frosh. If Patsos gives Richard the green light to come into the game and fire away, I suspect he will be very happy with that. Makes a hell of a lot of sense to me! And to anyone else without a biased attitude. These kids are here to compete for playing time just like any other team in any other sport. There is no reason to assume anything else has been happening other than all players are competing and will continue to compete to be in the rotation. Sounds awful simple for anyone to be making this into high drama so early in the process. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 5:23:31 GMT -5
I think it's very important to note that this "starting PG" issue was not created by any of the players - it was the brainless child of one of our reincarnated zombie like posters and continually fueled, stoked and refueled by her - we shall see what we shall see as the 2017-2018 team takes the floor and plays a few games - "conclusions" reached before that serve no good purpose and painting the picture that transfer is already on a player's mind is destructive, not constructive.
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Jul 24, 2017 6:36:22 GMT -5
Richard will be a fan favorite 10(+) point per game average with 20(+) min per gm avg off the bench this yr. - on 40%(+)
fg %.
Next yr. he will even be better.
The kid has already shown he can put the ball in the bucket on a consistent basis in a variety of different ways.
When pre-season competition is done, I feel certain that though he will not be starting, he will rise above the competition to get his non deniable 20 (+) minutes per game off the bench.
The kid is a "game time" baller. You can see that.
Given free reign to play his game, he will force the coaching staff to give him the minutes that this team will need him to get to be successful this year.
He isn't going anywhere.
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Post by mjs72 on Jul 24, 2017 7:26:34 GMT -5
AllYear, hope you are right but Richard getting consistent time means that, although undersized as a 2, he can also play D.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 24, 2017 8:23:32 GMT -5
If Patsos has changed his mind . ORRRRRR If someone else on the roster is a better PG, they simply beat him out for the position. Happens all the time. You keep saying, "Richard came here to be the PG after Wright left". Why the hell do you think Penn came here? 😂 It's obvious now that Richard was recruited over. It's not that Richard is not a pg. Richard came here to play the point. Patsos brought in Penn to replace him. Let's just speak the facts rather than try and change Richard's position |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 24, 2017 8:26:38 GMT -5
It is true that Patsos brought in Richard to play the point. I don't deny that. That fact was noted in an interview with Richard when he signed his letter of intent. However, the Patsos comment that he has to accept that he's a 2 in a 1's body leads me to suspect that they tried it and it was observed that he didn't have the skills to run the point on the division 1 level. Penn was handed anything before earning it - and neither was Richard. Sounds like both were observed in that position, and Penn was the better choice. Penn is no more unproven at the 1 then Richard is. He has been practicing with the team since January. So I doubt the decision was made sight unseen. Wouldn't you agree that starting the best player at the position as witnessed in practice is what's best for the team? I don't think Richard is going to be run off. I think he's going to be given the opportunity to excel at the position that best utilizes his particular set of skills. I think he's going to embrace the 6th man position of instant offense off the bench that Nico excelled at as a frosh. If Patsos gives Richard the green light to come into the game and fire away, I suspect he will be very happy with that. Makes a hell of a lot of sense to me! And to anyone else without a biased attitude. These kids are here to compete for playing time just like any other team in any other sport. There is no reason to assume anything else has been happening other than all players are competing and will continue to compete to be in the rotation. Sounds awful simple for anyone to be making this into high drama so early in the process. That's fine if Richard was beat out. It's great if Penn is better. But it's just not true that Richard is not a pg. That is my only issue here. Sure compete for time and that is healthy |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 24, 2017 8:28:29 GMT -5
I think it's very important to note that this "starting PG" issue was not created by any of the players - it was the brainless child of one of our reincarnated zombie like posters and continually fueled, stoked and refueled by her - we shall see what we shall see as the 2017-2018 team takes the floor and plays a few games - "conclusions" reached before that serve no good purpose and painting the picture that transfer is already on a player's mind is destructive, not constructive. I posted facts. We will see how it plays out |
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 24, 2017 8:49:39 GMT -5
ORRRRRR If someone else on the roster is a better PG, they simply beat him out for the position. Happens all the time. You keep saying, "Richard came here to be the PG after Wright left". Why the hell do you think Penn came here? 😂 It's obvious now that Richard was recruited over. It's not that Richard is not a pg. Richard came here to play the point. Patsos brought in Penn to replace him. Let's just speak the facts rather than try and change Richard's position Patsos didn't just bring in Penn. He brought in Horn and Bentley too. That's 3 new scoring PGs. It would thus appear he thought the team was badly in need of people at that position. Patsos brought in Richard to play the 1 because he assumed that would be the best fit because has a 1's size. But it has since been proven that Richard can't play the position adequately. Hence the comment that he has to accept he's a 2 in a 1's body. So I don't think he was recruited over - uubecause it turns out that he in fact can only play a different position than those guys. So now instead of letting the kid struggle at the 1, which would result in being benched, he's going to play a lot at the 2. Everyone wins - including hopefully the team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 9:51:55 GMT -5
It's obvious now that Richard was recruited over. It's not that Richard is not a pg. Richard came here to play the point. Patsos brought in Penn to replace him. Let's just speak the facts rather than try and change Richard's position Patsos didn't just bring in Penn. He brought in Horn and Bentley too. That's 3 new scoring PGs. It would thus appear he thought the team was badly in need of people at that position. Patsos brought in Richard to play the 1 because he assumed that would be the best fit because has a 1's size. But it has since been proven that Richard can't play the position adequately. Hence the comment that he has to accept he's a 2 in a 1's body. So I don't think he was recruited over - uubecause it turns out that he in fact can only play a different position than those guys. So now instead of letting the kid struggle at the 1, which would result in being benched, he's going to play a lot at the 2. Everyone wins - including hopefully the team. In my mind, the top 5 guards seem pretty set to me and sadly Richard is probably not among them. 3 frosh plus Shivers and Clareth. Richard is an undersized jump shooter who struggles to defend the PG because of his speed and the SG cause of both his speed and size. If the 3 frosh are playing well, and we're not desperate for an extra shooter, it's tough to justify the lack of defense. This is a kid who averaged just 2.6 rpg and 0.8 spg over has last 2 years of HS ball. He only got to the FT line 2 times per game in HS and was just 42% from 2 pt range. He's never really needed to be aggressive off the bounce. Penn, comparatively, was a 55% shooter from 2pt land, averaged 6.1 boards, 2.8 steals and got to the line 3 times as much as Richard when you compare Penn's senior year to Richard's junior year (missed senior year). So he's much more energetic both off the bounce and on D. |
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Post by $cott on Jul 24, 2017 10:14:40 GMT -5
Patsos didn't just bring in Penn. He brought in Horn and Bentley too. That's 3 new scoring PGs. It would thus appear he thought the team was badly in need of people at that position. Patsos brought in Richard to play the 1 because he assumed that would be the best fit because has a 1's size. But it has since been proven that Richard can't play the position adequately. Hence the comment that he has to accept he's a 2 in a 1's body. So I don't think he was recruited over - uubecause it turns out that he in fact can only play a different position than those guys. So now instead of letting the kid struggle at the 1, which would result in being benched, he's going to play a lot at the 2. Everyone wins - including hopefully the team. In my mind, the top 5 guards seem pretty set to me and sadly Richard is probably not among them. 3 frosh plus Shivers and Clareth. Richard is an undersized jump shooter who struggles to defend the PG because of his speed and the SG cause of both his speed and size. If the 3 frosh are playing well, and we're not desperate for an extra shooter, it's tough to justify the lack of defense. This is a kid who averaged just 2.6 rpg and 0.8 spg over has last 2 years of HS ball. He only got to the FT line 2 times per game in HS and was just 42% from 2 pt range. He's never really needed to be aggressive off the bounce. Penn, comparatively, was a 55% shooter from 2pt land, averaged 6.1 boards, 2.8 steals and got to the line 3 times as much as Richard when you compare Penn's senior year to Richard's junior year (missed senior year). So he's much more energetic both off the bounce and on D. I think at this point there is about a 50/50 chance that Richard is 6th man instant offense or out of the rotation. And that is by the end of the season. To start the season I think it is extremely likely he's that 6th man and will have the opportunity to seize that role as the freshman go through the normal growing pains associated with playing for a coach that will yank you every time you make a mistake. |
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Post by Quackman on Jul 24, 2017 10:43:13 GMT -5
I still think it is too early to say with any reasonable certainty who is in the rotation and who isn't. Nico and Shivers are starters and the rest of the guard/wing minutes are up for grabs. They have a Canada trip (plus practice time) coming up and then 6 weeks in October/November to compete for spots.
It's fine for fans to debate this stuff but truth is that there is an awful lot of time to go for each of these guys to win their spots.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jul 24, 2017 10:47:29 GMT -5
It's clear we tried Richard at PG. In fact, Patsos continued to talk about allowing Richard to run he show this season and move Quis off the ball. That experiment failed FAST. We then tried him as the backup PG. That also failed.
If you watch who we were recruiting for the 2017 class, it's clear we realized that Richard wasn't the answer at that spot early in the season. We went from targeting wings and bigs to pushing hard for a commitment at the end of the signing period from a combo guard (Horn) then continuing to push for a true PG and getting him to enroll early so he'd be even more ready to contribute as a freshman (Penn). That's not "recruiting over". That's realizing what you have (and don't have) and adding players to fill the spots you need to fill.
Richard was given his fair shake at PG. It didn't work out. The team can't afford to keep trying Richard at PG all summer trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, then realize right before the season that he's not the answer. Penn and Horn are now getting experience as the first and second PG (Horn also working off the ball) and will get more work on the Canada trip. We all see Richard's potential as an instant offense guy, but if he wants to leave and go somewhere to play PG, I can understand that.
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