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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 18, 2017 10:04:48 GMT -5
Player development? Thats a thing of the past. Kids today want instant gratification. They dont play, they transfer, and this only happens at Siena. Nowhere else. Like Tony says, it's a business, and the best players play. The ones that dont want to take their business elsewhere.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jul 18, 2017 10:36:47 GMT -5
I was thinking about the turnover yesterday and how things have changed. The summer after my freshmen year in high school I went to Siena hoop camp. They had a five man recruiting class of Larry McMahon, Jim Mexdorf, Tom Hoop, Jeff Holland and Nie Currie. Three years later as a frshemen at Siena all five were still there as seniors and only Mex got any real run. How many would last in today's environment -1? Probably the local guy
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 22, 2017 15:35:15 GMT -5
KK, delete your post so PPC can't read it. She will go ballistic about what Jimmy had to say about Khalil's role. So you believe what Patsos has said about a players role? It's hilarious how you chose to believe only what you agree with. Patsos has said a lot of things over his 4 years at Siena. He put players in positions that some did not agree with. So why is this any different? If he has chosen to change the narrative for Richard in favor of an unproven freshman then no one can blame him if he leaves. The message board fan base has spoken and Richard is no longer wanted here.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 22, 2017 15:43:59 GMT -5
Well I guess that conclusively ends the Penn vs. Richard as the starting PG debate. PPC can either claim Richard was recruited over - or accept what most here were arguing in that it sounds like it was never a competition. Patsos straight out said Richard needs to accept that he's a 2 in a 1's body. Can't make it any clearer than that. Penn will be the starting 1. Richard can be a great 6th man, taking over Nico's old role as instant offense off the bench. 6 men getting a lot of minutes in the Patsos system, so it's not a bad thing. It is a fact that Richard accepted the scholarship to play the point for Siena. He was told he would replace Wright. It is not something I made up. So if Patsos has changed up in favor of the unproven freshman then Richard has no reason to stay. Small guards with the ability to play the pg position look for schools that will play them there. Richard would not be here had Patsos told him during recruitment that he would not play the point. He and Nico were looking forward to starting as the 1-2 punch in the back court. But Patsos brought in Penn and handed him the spot before he earned it. He just got rid of Richard like he has done to others. So movement coming I would guess
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 22, 2017 16:24:15 GMT -5
Well I guess that conclusively ends the Penn vs. Richard as the starting PG debate. PPC can either claim Richard was recruited over - or accept what most here were arguing in that it sounds like it was never a competition. Patsos straight out said Richard needs to accept that he's a 2 in a 1's body. Can't make it any clearer than that. Penn will be the starting 1. Richard can be a great 6th man, taking over Nico's old role as instant offense off the bench. 6 men getting a lot of minutes in the Patsos system, so it's not a bad thing. It is a fact that Richard accepted the scholarship to play the point for Siena. He was told he would replace Wright. It is not something I made up. So if Patsos has changed up in favor of the unproven freshman then Richard has no reason to stay. Small guards with the ability to play the pg position look for schools that will play them there. Richard would not be here had Patsos told him during recruitment that he would not play the point. He and Nico were looking forward to starting as the 1-2 punch in the back court. But Patsos brought in Penn and handed him the spot before he earned it. He just got rid of Richard like he has done to others. So movement coming I would guess How do you know whether Penn outplayed Richard in practice since Christmas?? I'm sure the staff tried to make him a legit PG, but the mindset isn't there. He's a scorer. He can still contribute if he keeps a positive outlook.
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Post by rickyp on Jul 22, 2017 16:28:24 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone say Richard isn't wanted more of they felt his best fit is where the coach said he should accept transferring is a option but what does he say oh yeah I'm a point guard i want to play the point but i have no game tape of me playing the point just saying.Kyrie wants to be the man and he was the man before LeBron they did good with him being the man lottery consistently just saying.
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Post by knicksaint on Jul 22, 2017 18:00:21 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone say Richard isn't wanted more of they felt his best fit is where the coach said he should accept transferring is a option but what does he say oh yeah I'm a point guard i want to play the point but i have no game tape of me playing the point just saying.Kyrie wants to be the man and he was the man before LeBron they did good with him being the man lottery consistently just saying. PPC, I don't care who starts at the point, Richard, Penn, Smithen, Bentley or Horn, as long as whoever it is gives us the best chance to win. Based on everything I have read, heard or seen in games and practices, it seems pretty clear that Jimmy and staff concluded before the middle of last season that Richard did not appear to be Wright's successor, as you claim he was brought here to be. I just don't understand your insistence that he was brought in to fill that role. Before Khalil played his first college game, Patsos was calling him "Microwave" for his hoped for Vinnie Johnson-like instant offense off the bench. Based on conversations I have had with the staff and the fact that he was not really the point guard at St. Francis as you claim, not when he played with two others who averaged 5.0 or more assists as college freshman at mid-major programs last year, there may have been the hope that he could become a solid PG at Siena, but it is inconceivable that he was promised/assured that he would be Wright's successor. If he was, then Jimmy forgot to tell anyone else other than you about that. If Khalil wins the job, great. But it's his to win, not his.to lose.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 22, 2017 18:26:03 GMT -5
It is a fact that Richard accepted the scholarship to play the point for Siena. He was told he would replace Wright. It is not something I made up. So if Patsos has changed up in favor of the unproven freshman then Richard has no reason to stay. Small guards with the ability to play the pg position look for schools that will play them there. Richard would not be here had Patsos told him during recruitment that he would not play the point. He and Nico were looking forward to starting as the 1-2 punch in the back court. But Patsos brought in Penn and handed him the spot before he earned it. He just got rid of Richard like he has done to others. So movement coming I would guess How do you know whether Penn outplayed Richard in practice since Christmas?? I'm sure the staff tried to make him a legit PG, but the mindset isn't there. He's a scorer. He can still contribute if he keeps a positive outlook. We had a scoring pg for the last 2 season's. So having Richard assume that role should not be a problem. That's why he was recruited. So I guess Patsos decided to get one that is not a scorer and change up on Richard. That's D1 ball and it is a good reason to leave IMOP
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 22, 2017 18:29:15 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone say Richard isn't wanted more of they felt his best fit is where the coach said he should accept transferring is a option but what does he say oh yeah I'm a point guard i want to play the point but i have no game tape of me playing the point just saying.Kyrie wants to be the man and he was the man before LeBron they did good with him being the man lottery consistently just saying. Richard was recruited to play the point. It's not about who starts. The issue is that he is being told he is not a of now. That is not what he was told when he was recruited to play for Siena. So that means he was recruited over. Richard is a pg that can score. He is pass first and looks to get his teammates involved first.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 22, 2017 18:33:59 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone say Richard isn't wanted more of they felt his best fit is where the coach said he should accept transferring is a option but what does he say oh yeah I'm a point guard i want to play the point but i have no game tape of me playing the point just saying.Kyrie wants to be the man and he was the man before LeBron they did good with him being the man lottery consistently just saying. PPC, I don't care who starts at the point, Richard, Penn, Smithen, Bentley or Horn, as long as whoever it is gives us the best chance to win. Based on everything I have read, heard or seen in games and practices, it seems pretty clear that Jimmy and staff concluded before the middle of last season that Richard did not appear to be Wright's successor, as you claim he was brought here to be. I just don't understand your insistence that he was brought in to fill that role. Before Khalil played his first college game, Patsos was calling him "Microwave" for his hoped for Vinnie Johnson-like instant offense off the bench. Based on conversations I have had with the staff and the fact that he was not really the point guard at St. Francis as you claim, not when he played with two others who averaged 5.0 or more assists as college freshman at mid-major programs last year, there may have been the hope that he could become a solid PG at Siena, but it is inconceivable that he was promised/assured that he would be Wright's successor. If he was, then Jimmy forgot to tell anyone else other than you about that. If Khalil wins the job, great. But it's his to win, not his.to lose. The facts are what they are. Not what I claim. Richard came here to play the point. He did not get an opportunity to do so because Wright played 40 mins per game. Richard played the point in HS but missed senior year due to injury and a transfer. As a freshman he played varsity while the other 2 small guards you are speaking of were on JV. It is a fact that Richard would not be here had Patsos recruited him as a 2g. It's not what I claim
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 22, 2017 18:37:27 GMT -5
It is a fact that Richard accepted the scholarship to play the point for Siena. He was told he would replace Wright. It is not something I made up. So if Patsos has changed up in favor of the unproven freshman then Richard has no reason to stay. Small guards with the ability to play the pg position look for schools that will play them there. Richard would not be here had Patsos told him during recruitment that he would not play the point. He and Nico were looking forward to starting as the 1-2 punch in the back court. But Patsos brought in Penn and handed him the spot before he earned it. He just got rid of Richard like he has done to others. So movement coming I would guess How do you know whether Penn outplayed Richard in practice since Christmas?? I'm sure the staff tried to make him a legit PG, but the mindset isn't there. He's a scorer. He can still contribute if he keeps a positive outlook. Richard has a pg mindset. If Patsos has changed his mind and will tap Penn to start then it is what it is. Richard is a D1 pg and that is what he was looking to play. No one should blame him for moving on if he is not given the opportunity to earn time at the position he was recruited to play.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jul 22, 2017 18:42:50 GMT -5
Iowa will admit anyone
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 22, 2017 20:26:55 GMT -5
How do you know whether Penn outplayed Richard in practice since Christmas?? I'm sure the staff tried to make him a legit PG, but the mindset isn't there. He's a scorer. He can still contribute if he keeps a positive outlook. If Patsos has changed his mind . ORRRRRR If someone else on the roster is a better PG, they simply beat him out for the position. Happens all the time. You keep saying, "Richard came here to be the PG after Wright left". Why the hell do you think Penn came here? 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 5:11:16 GMT -5
If Patsos has changed his mind . ORRRRRR If someone else on the roster is a better PG, they simply beat him out for the position. Happens all the time. You keep saying, "Richard came here to be the PG after Wright left". Why the hell do you think Penn came here? 😂 .... to be a thorn in PPC's backside - karma
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 23, 2017 10:22:57 GMT -5
Well I guess that conclusively ends the Penn vs. Richard as the starting PG debate. PPC can either claim Richard was recruited over - or accept what most here were arguing in that it sounds like it was never a competition. Patsos straight out said Richard needs to accept that he's a 2 in a 1's body. Can't make it any clearer than that. Penn will be the starting 1. Richard can be a great 6th man, taking over Nico's old role as instant offense off the bench. 6 men getting a lot of minutes in the Patsos system, so it's not a bad thing. It is a fact that Richard accepted the scholarship to play the point for Siena. He was told he would replace Wright. It is not something I made up. So if Patsos has changed up in favor of the unproven freshman then Richard has no reason to stay. Small guards with the ability to play the pg position look for schools that will play them there. Richard would not be here had Patsos told him during recruitment that he would not play the point. He and Nico were looking forward to starting as the 1-2 punch in the back court. But Patsos brought in Penn and handed him the spot before he earned it. He just got rid of Richard like he has done to others. So movement coming I would guess It is true that Patsos brought in Richard to play the point. I don't deny that. That fact was noted in an interview with Richard when he signed his letter of intent. However, the Patsos comment that he has to accept that he's a 2 in a 1's body leads me to suspect that they tried it and it was observed that he didn't have the skills to run the point on the division 1 level. Penn was handed anything before earning it - and neither was Richard. Sounds like both were observed in that position, and Penn was the better choice. Penn is no more unproven at the 1 then Richard is. He has been practicing with the team since January. So I doubt the decision was made sight unseen. Wouldn't you agree that starting the best player at the position as witnessed in practice is what's best for the team? I don't think Richard is going to be run off. I think he's going to be given the opportunity to excel at the position that best utilizes his particular set of skills. I think he's going to embrace the 6th man position of instant offense off the bench that Nico excelled at as a frosh. If Patsos gives Richard the green light to come into the game and fire away, I suspect he will be very happy with that.
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