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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 28, 2017 16:44:56 GMT -5
Transfers are part of the game....at most schools at least. It's THE reason we'll probably never get past Iona. Cluess is doing the "winning way," and it might not be the preferred method (transfers, 5th year guys etc.....) but he does what you guys want. Win at all costs. The only ones attaching asteriks to success are the haters. We beat some real good teams in that tournament, including AT Fresno St. As for Wright, you seem to be the only guy, at least on record, that agrees with his assessment of his 4 years here, and how he did it. He was catered to for 4 years. Started every game he was healthy and had the green light, and then he cries how he was held back?? And you agree with him? lmao shows you cant be objective. Siena has no issues taking qualified transfers. It's jucos they shun because those kids usually take some B.S. courses at those schools and thus have credits that Siena will never accept. Iona's edge is that they'll admit anyone, no matter how questionable their academic or behavioral history. Siena has never gone down that road and never will. You non-grads have to grasp the Siena culture. It's not a win at all costs type of school. You gotta win the right way here. And you can just as Fran, Hewitt, and Deane before them did. The transfer rate is 20X higher than it was 20 years ago, and the 5th year transfer rule kills schools like us that lack graduate programs. It's a different game then when Deane & Hewitt coached. It's even gone crazy in the 7-8 years Fran has been gone.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 29, 2017 12:24:24 GMT -5
Siena has no issues taking qualified transfers. It's jucos they shun because those kids usually take some B.S. courses at those schools and thus have credits that Siena will never accept. Iona's edge is that they'll admit anyone, no matter how questionable their academic or behavioral history. Siena has never gone down that road and never will. You non-grads have to grasp the Siena culture. It's not a win at all costs type of school. You gotta win the right way here. And you can just as Fran, Hewitt, and Deane before them did. The transfer rate is 20X higher than it was 20 years ago, and the 5th year transfer rule kills schools like us that lack graduate programs. It's a different game then when Deane & Hewitt coached. It's even gone crazy in the 7-8 years Fran has been gone. This is actually true
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Post by greenblood on Jul 29, 2017 16:27:57 GMT -5
Siena has no issues taking qualified transfers. It's jucos they shun because those kids usually take some B.S. courses at those schools and thus have credits that Siena will never accept. Iona's edge is that they'll admit anyone, no matter how questionable their academic or behavioral history. Siena has never gone down that road and never will. You non-grads have to grasp the Siena culture. It's not a win at all costs type of school. You gotta win the right way here. And you can just as Fran, Hewitt, and Deane before them did. The transfer rate is 20X higher than it was 20 years ago, and the 5th year transfer rule kills schools like us that lack graduate programs. It's a different game then when Deane & Hewitt coached. It's even gone crazy in the 7-8 years Fran has been gone. That is why when we were are our highest on the court, we should have capitalized it by investing into additional MASTERS programs. I have been preaching this for 8 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 17:33:29 GMT -5
Siena has no issues taking qualified transfers. It's jucos they shun because those kids usually take some B.S. courses at those schools and thus have credits that Siena will never accept. Iona's edge is that they'll admit anyone, no matter how questionable their academic or behavioral history. Siena has never gone down that road and never will. You non-grads have to grasp the Siena culture. It's not a win at all costs type of school. You gotta win the right way here. And you can just as Fran, Hewitt, and Deane before them did. The transfer rate is 20X higher than it was 20 years ago, and the 5th year transfer rule kills schools like us that lack graduate programs. It's a different game then when Deane & Hewitt coached. It's even gone crazy in the 7-8 years Fran has been gone. Not really. Transfer rates from 4 year programs have gone up slightly since 2004, but transfers from 2 year to 4 year programs have decreased, making the overall transfer rate pretty much the same now as it has been for that last 12 years. The only thing that has changed is the number of coaches using it as an excuse. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 29, 2017 19:05:56 GMT -5
The transfer rate is 20X higher than it was 20 years ago, and the 5th year transfer rule kills schools like us that lack graduate programs. It's a different game then when Deane & Hewitt coached. It's even gone crazy in the 7-8 years Fran has been gone. Not really. Transfer rates from 4 year programs have gone up slightly since 2004, but transfers from 2 year to 4 year programs have decreased, making the overall transfer rate pretty much the same now as it has been for that last 12 years. The only thing that has changed is the number of coaches using it as an excuse. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketballCan you go back 20 years?? Or 27 when Deane coached? Seems like kids stayed put alot more back then. ps--my bad on the 20x, I wanted to write ten times, which I realize is still an exaggeration, but the one on my computer is not working
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Post by OneIndian on Jul 29, 2017 19:16:57 GMT -5
The transfer rate is 20X higher than it was 20 years ago, and the 5th year transfer rule kills schools like us that lack graduate programs. It's a different game then when Deane & Hewitt coached. It's even gone crazy in the 7-8 years Fran has been gone. Not really. Transfer rates from 4 year programs have gone up slightly since 2004, but transfers from 2 year to 4 year programs have decreased, making the overall transfer rate pretty much the same now as it has been for that last 12 years. The only thing that has changed is the number of coaches using it as an excuse. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketballGood post...factual, not BS rhetoric or spin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 19:34:51 GMT -5
Can you go back 20 years?? Or 27 when Deane coached? Seems like kids stayed put alot more back then. ps--my bad on the 20x, I wanted to write ten times, which I realize is still an exaggeration, but the one on my computer is not working You won't have to get a new computer soon - latest projections seem to say we MIGHT reach numero "1" in three years - š
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 20:43:26 GMT -5
Can you go back 20 years?? Or 27 when Deane coached? Seems like kids stayed put alot more back then. ps--my bad on the 20x, I wanted to write ten times, which I realize is still an exaggeration, but the one on my computer is not working 10x is actually pretty dead on for number of graduate transfers, and that's just since 2011. I think they had a rule change around then, where graduates didn't have to wait a year to play after transferring? Anyways, the number of graduate transfers is definitely becoming significant. Edit: here's the link: link
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Post by Tony on Jul 30, 2017 4:22:17 GMT -5
Bottom line here- to be successful at Siena you have to have a coach that can successfully target solid 4 year student athletes. Iām not buying you canāt be successful at Siena because of transfer rates- nothing but an excuse. You canāt continually swing and miss on your primary recruits and end up with kids with little to no offers. Current staff has āstruggledā on recruiting trail for several reasons
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Post by Papi on Jul 30, 2017 9:07:58 GMT -5
Bottom line here- to be successful at Siena you have to have a coach that can successfully target solid 4 year student athletes. Iām not buying you canāt be successful at Siena because of transfer rates- nothing but an excuse. You canāt continually swing and miss on your primary recruits and end up with kids with little to no offers. Current staff has āstruggledā on recruiting trail for several reasons It's total luck. If you get a few diamonds in the rough or guys who weren't highly recruited and they blow up or jell as a group like Fran achieved you will hit the lottery and move on. Fran was basically like JP or any other .500 or slightly better coach when he came to Siena. Five championships and three by one group in three years is far from being successful overall over the course of time in the maac. Don't worry guys it will happen again, hang in there and be patient.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jul 30, 2017 9:23:30 GMT -5
Fran took two other teams to the NCAA before Siena
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Post by Papi on Jul 30, 2017 9:34:10 GMT -5
Fran took two other teams to the NCAA before Siena So, JP took one. I look at winning percentage. If you win more than you lose winning a conference tournament will happen eventually. If anyone wants a coach who wins 70% or better you better jump ship and root for one of the blue bloods.
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Post by siena77 on Jul 30, 2017 10:48:12 GMT -5
Fran took two other teams to the NCAA before Siena So, JP took one. I look at winning percentage. If you win more than you lose winning a conference tournament will happen eventually. If anyone wants a coach who wins 70% or better you better jump ship and root for one of the blue bloods. Fran was savvy enough to utilize Siena's advantages in his recruiting, and had the guys' buy-in by building a true "team" atmosphere, including ongoing bonding experiences with his own family. Yes, people who accomplish great things have some luck, but they use whatever breaks they get to their best advantage.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 30, 2017 11:44:43 GMT -5
To call recruiting total luck is not accurate. Is luck involved? Yes, certainly. Luck was absolutely involved when Fran struck gold with Kenny and the big three. I'm sure the work was put in, and the hopes were high, as one would expect for any recruit. But for all of them to work out so well is extraordinarily rare, and you must consider that luck to some degree.
Not every recruit that Fran brought in was a winner, or even hung around for any length of time.
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Post by rickyp on Jul 30, 2017 12:48:47 GMT -5
Recruiting is getting harder for some schools like mid majors but some of it is evaluation and luck. We complain about kids with no offers being recruited then when the ones we want start getting higher offers we complain about the coaches not working hard enough.Of the class we have coming that i know of only Penn had no offers. But if you count that he never finished his post grad year and if you don't get him to commit early he may not be here.I think to build a mid major program you need some time depending on the program when you got there.Of the 4 freshman you have coming in you have 2 possible starters and 2 10minutes contributors well see but that's a good start
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