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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 9:09:13 GMT -5
1.) All we're talking about here is rotations and a chance for top 5 finish in a down MAAC. We're not predicting world champions here. 2.) If I didn't throw this stuff out there every summer I'm pretty sure there would be next to zero basketball discussion either here or on MAAC board between March and October. Yes, Jimmy could screw it all up with poor rotation choices and yes, these kids are young and may not avoid the PIG next year or end up as the next Siena greats. But what else is there to talk about? yeah do what Indian said. No more talk. Come back in Nov. and let us all know who's gonna play/be good. ok...
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Post by siena12077 on Jun 15, 2017 9:18:52 GMT -5
I think as usual Patsos will play his top 8. Believe by mid season it will be Clareth, Shivers, Penn, Degnan, Oduro, Friday, Richard, Horn. I went with Richard over Smithen but that could be a toss up. Also if Horn can't guard well enough his first year I could see both Richard and Smithen in the top 8.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 9:39:49 GMT -5
I guess I'm literally the only person who suspects Camper could make the rotation.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 15, 2017 9:52:50 GMT -5
I think as usual Patsos will play his top 8. Believe by mid season it will be Clareth, Shivers, Penn, Degnan, Oduro, Friday, Richard, Horn. I went with Richard over Smithen but that could be a toss up. Also if Horn can't guard well enough his first year I could see both Richard and Smithen in the top 8. In my opinion, Richard and Horn have basically the same skillset, but Horn is 3 inches taller. Having both Richard and Horn in the regular rotation seems unproductive unless you are using one as the backup point guard. I think Kadeem Smithen or Christian Bentley will wind up being a backup point guard (my pick would be Kadeem), so I'd put Smithen in the rotation before one of Horn or Richard.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 15, 2017 10:03:15 GMT -5
I guess I'm literally the only person who suspects Camper could make the rotation. Camper is such a wild card to me that I have trouble counting on him as a member of the rotation. In a freshman class full of guys from prep schools and top leagues, Camper comes from a tiny school. He had no offers and hasn't even been on campus yet. If there was some games of his or even highlights on YouTube that I could watch, then I could form a better opinion (like I have done with Horn, Oduro, and Bentley). On paper, he's got very intriguing tools, and after we get reports from summer and fall workouts I'll be able to make a better call on what role he will have. But for now, I'm not counting on the guy to contribute much as a freshman given the big jump to D1 and the fact that he wasn't a highly-touted kid.
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Post by $cott on Jun 15, 2017 10:04:45 GMT -5
I guess I'm literally the only person who suspects Camper could make the rotation. And I guess I'm literally the only one that thinks Oduro can play some time at the 4. Hopefully, at least one of us is right or Shivers is going to have to spend a lot of time at the 4. Sorry to the Huerter supporters but just don't see him as ready to give us meaningful minutes at the 4 next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 10:27:57 GMT -5
I guess I'm literally the only person who suspects Camper could make the rotation. Camper is such a wild card to me that I have trouble counting on him as a member of the rotation. In a freshman class full of guys from prep schools and top leagues, Camper comes from a tiny school. He had no offers and hasn't even been on campus yet. If there was some games of his or even highlights on YouTube that I could watch, then I could form a better opinion (like I have done with Horn, Oduro, and Bentley). On paper, he's got very intriguing tools, and after we get reports from summer and fall workouts I'll be able to make a better call on what role he will have. But for now, I'm not counting on the guy to contribute much as a freshman given the big jump to D1 and the fact that he wasn't a highly-touted kid. Completely understandable. I'm going based mostly on gut feeling and intuition anyway. It's just the fact that we were looking so much to recruit more guards rather than bigs is curious to me...as is the fact that JP has brought him up a couple times. This combined with the fact that they view him as an heir apparent to Lavon Long, makes me suspicious. He's a guy who is supposed to do a little bit of everything on a team who will dearly miss that guy (stats back this description up). And in the little I've been able to find he actually strikes me as quicker than Lavon..which means he's likely an all-around energy player with a kind of quickness and athleticism that could be dangerous. He looked too skinny in that old clip but looks much bigger and more defined in more recent pictures. He has a Nico Clareth-like build now but per his signing article weighs 15 lbs more. Much like Clareth, I think he's a guy who might wreak havoc with his bounciness. If that's the case and he has any skill at all, he finds a role. And the guy averaged 28 & 13 so he must have some skills, even if he was playing against kindergartners. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, and he's just here to raise the team GPA. I don't know.
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Post by rickyp on Jun 15, 2017 11:15:17 GMT -5
My opinion and it's only opinion i think Camper depending on his work ethic and being that he is a scholar athlete that probably coincides with a good work ethic could probably end up being a natural 3but hybrid 4 when needed with his frame to add muscle this kid could be a all league by the end of his career remember it's only opinion not based on what league he played in and offers.I've seen these top100/McDonald's All American players who put up big numbers and the only time they play top talent is in a special tournament the other 30games against? teams
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Post by siena12077 on Jun 15, 2017 12:32:28 GMT -5
I guess I'm literally the only person who suspects Camper could make the rotation. Have you found any video of Camper? I don't know much about him but wouldn't surprise me if he beats out someone to make the rotation at this point with so many moving parts. The only sure parts seem to be Clareth, Degnan, and Shivers
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 15, 2017 21:00:38 GMT -5
Camper is such a wild card to me that I have trouble counting on him as a member of the rotation. In a freshman class full of guys from prep schools and top leagues, Camper comes from a tiny school. He had no offers and hasn't even been on campus yet. If there was some games of his or even highlights on YouTube that I could watch, then I could form a better opinion (like I have done with Horn, Oduro, and Bentley). On paper, he's got very intriguing tools, and after we get reports from summer and fall workouts I'll be able to make a better call on what role he will have. But for now, I'm not counting on the guy to contribute much as a freshman given the big jump to D1 and the fact that he wasn't a highly-touted kid. Much like Clareth, I think he's a guy who might wreak havoc with his bounciness. If that's the case and he has any skill at all, he finds a role. And the guy averaged 28 & 13 so he must have some skills, even if he was playing against kindergartners. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, and he's just here to raise the team GPA. I don't know. We've been over this before. Just because Camper put up gaudy numbers against shit competition, it doesn't suggest he can do the same against real competition. Otherwise Kinnon Larose would have been MAAC rookie of the year as a freshman. Instead he was overmatched against division 1 competition and could not get off the bench. Now he's at frickin Sacred Heart. You want to gauge what a future impact recruit looked like before college, maybe look at who Mikey Dixon played against and how he did against them before college. He was a state player of the year and first team all state in DE. Played on the number 1 ranked team in the state and averaged over 27 ppg against the best that state had to offer. When you play against the best in your state, and are the best in your state, then your gaudy numbers impress. Camper could be very well end up a pleasant surprise. But it's a we'll believe it when we see it situation given the history of this staff. A player with numbers like his should have been noticed by someone. But much like LaRose, nobody was impressed enough to offer him - except us. Given the mediocre recruiting we've seen from Patsos & Co., the odds are more likely that he's a dud than a stud. That said, I sincerely hope that I'm proven wrong.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 15, 2017 21:25:14 GMT -5
On a more positive note, Prince Oduro is one of 22 players invited to the Canadian U19 training camp. The roster will be trimmed to 12 to go to the FIBA World Championships at the end of the month in Egypt. Invitees include players/signees at Iowa State, Oregon, Kentucky Harvard, and other schools, along with many top players in the 2018 and 2019 classes.
Even though making the roster would cause him to have to enroll a couple of weeks late, hopefully he gets the chance to play with this team overseas. It would be a great experience to play and practice with top players. Good luck Prince!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 21:50:39 GMT -5
Much like Clareth, I think he's a guy who might wreak havoc with his bounciness. If that's the case and he has any skill at all, he finds a role. And the guy averaged 28 & 13 so he must have some skills, even if he was playing against kindergartners. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, and he's just here to raise the team GPA. I don't know. We've been over this before. Just because Camper put up gaudy numbers against shit competition, it doesn't suggest he can do the same against real competition. Otherwise Kinnon Larose would have been MAAC rookie of the year as a freshman. Instead he was overmatched against division 1 competition and could not get off the bench. Now he's at frickin Sacred Heart. You want to gauge what a future impact recruit looked like before college, maybe look at who Mikey Dixon played against and how he did against them before college. He was a state player of the year and first team all state in DE. Played on the number 1 ranked team in the state and averaged over 27 ppg against the best that state had to offer. When you play against the best in your state, and are the best in your state, then your gaudy numbers impress. Camper could be very well end up a pleasant surprise. But it's a we'll believe it when we see it situation given the history of this staff. A player with numbers like his should have been noticed by someone. But much like LaRose, nobody was impressed enough to offer him - except us. Given the mediocre recruiting we've seen from Patsos & Co., the odds are more likely that he's a dud than a stud. That said, I sincerely hope that I'm proven wrong. Yes Kinnon Larose=Manny Camper per Sienafan I know.
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Post by rickyp on Jun 15, 2017 22:10:45 GMT -5
Also the practice against the players would be good and hopefully bring some confidence with him when he gets on campus
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 16, 2017 7:16:05 GMT -5
Much like Clareth, I think he's a guy who might wreak havoc with his bounciness. If that's the case and he has any skill at all, he finds a role. And the guy averaged 28 & 13 so he must have some skills, even if he was playing against kindergartners. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, and he's just here to raise the team GPA. I don't know. We've been over this before. Just because Camper put up gaudy numbers against shit competition, it doesn't suggest he can do the same against real competition. Otherwise Kinnon Larose would have been MAAC rookie of the year as a freshman. Instead he was overmatched against division 1 competition and could not get off the bench. Now he's at frickin Sacred Heart. You want to gauge what a future impact recruit looked like before college, maybe look at who Mikey Dixon played against and how he did against them before college. He was a state player of the year and first team all state in DE. Played on the number 1 ranked team in the state and averaged over 27 ppg against the best that state had to offer. When you play against the best in your state, and are the best in your state, then your gaudy numbers impress. Camper could be very well end up a pleasant surprise. But it's a we'll believe it when we see it situation given the history of this staff. A player with numbers like his should have been noticed by someone. But much like LaRose, nobody was impressed enough to offer him - except us. Given the mediocre recruiting we've seen from Patsos & Co., the odds are more likely that he's a dud than a stud. That said, I sincerely hope that I'm proven wrong. Yes but, per what I've been reading, Camper is more athletic & bouncier than Kinnon's is/was. That alone may be why he could do better against D1 talent. I get it that Jimmy hasn't impressed some with the past but I still believe Jimmy is trying to be/get better. Learn and improve, but probably not as fast as others may like. I'm not saying he's a good coach or will become what others expect but he is trying IMO. As KK said, on paper, Camper looks like he may do well here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 8:09:41 GMT -5
On a more positive note, Prince Oduro is one of 22 players invited to the Canadian U19 training camp. The roster will be trimmed to 12 to go to the FIBA World Championships at the end of the month in Egypt. Invitees include players/signees at Iowa State, Oregon, Kentucky Harvard, and other schools, along with many top players in the 2018 and 2019 classes. Even though making the roster would cause him to have to enroll a couple of weeks late, hopefully he gets the chance to play with this team overseas. It would be a great experience to play and practice with top players. Good luck Prince! I would think getting a head start on classes and developing chemistry with his own teammates while learning Jimmy's system would be much more valuable in the long run than an overseas junket playing with teammates he may never play with again.
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