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Post by goldsaint17 on May 3, 2017 18:58:53 GMT -5
We didn't get a large sample size, but I didn't see Richard as a true point guard. When he was in at PG, we almost always ran offense through Lavon and played some simple pick-and-roll stuff for Khalil with the ball in his hands. Based on what Patsos, his high school coach, and his stats say, Penn is a true point guard capable of running the show. Khalil has a role on this team, perhaps as the 6th man. He seemed like a smart player who could make some shots and create off the bounce. I guess time will tell whether he can step into a PG role. One of the guards of Penn, Richard, Horn, and Smithen is going to wind up getting boxed out of the rotation unless there is an injury (assuming Shivers and Nico are starters).
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 3, 2017 19:07:18 GMT -5
Anyone that knows basketball can see Richard is not a PG. He's a undersized scoring guard. He's a candidate to come off the bench and supply points in bunches. That's what he's capable of. Just because kids are small, doesn't make them PGs. Just like Hymes. Anyone think he was a "point guard?"
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Post by playerparentcoach on May 3, 2017 19:34:03 GMT -5
We didn't get a large sample size, but I didn't see Richard as a true point guard. When he was in at PG, we almost always ran offense through Lavon and played some simple pick-and-roll stuff for Khalil with the ball in his hands. Based on what Patsos, his high school coach, and his stats say, Penn is a true point guard capable of running the show. Khalil has a role on this team, perhaps as the 6th man. He seemed like a smart player who could make some shots and create off the bounce. I guess time will tell whether he can step into a PG role. One of the guards of Penn, Richard, Horn, and Smithen is going to wind up getting boxed out of the rotation unless there is an injury (assuming Shivers and Nico are starters). Khalil is a pass first pg that can score. That is what he was recruited for. He did not get an opportunity to show that. Hopefully he does next season.
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Post by playerparentcoach on May 3, 2017 19:41:13 GMT -5
Anyone that knows basketball can see Richard is not a PG. He's a undersized scoring guard. He's a candidate to come off the bench and supply points in bunches. That's what he's capable of. Just because kids are small, doesn't make them PGs. Just like Hymes. Anyone think he was a "point guard?" Well I know why he came to Siena. He is a pg and that is what he does best. There were no mins at that position last season. He did what was asked of him. He was recruited to take over after Wright left. If that changed because of the freshmen coming in then he was recruited over. That happens in DI ball. Hopefully he gets a chance to earn the spot he came to play
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Post by SIENA1971 on May 3, 2017 20:35:03 GMT -5
Personally I like seeing Richard on the court ... hope he gets enough minutes to keep him at Siena
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 3, 2017 21:35:16 GMT -5
Anyone that knows basketball can see Richard is not a PG. He's a undersized scoring guard. He's a candidate to come off the bench and supply points in bunches. That's what he's capable of. Just because kids are small, doesn't make them PGs. Just like Hymes. Anyone think he was a "point guard?" Well I know why he came to Siena. He is a pg and that is what he does best. There were no mins at that position last season. He did what was asked of him. He was recruited to take over after Wright left. If that changed because of the freshmen coming in then he was recruited over. That happens in DI ball. Hopefully he gets a chance to earn the spot he came to play if that was the case, why is the staff bringing in Penn and Horn? Both are more qualified to run the point. And if Kadeem isn't a PG what is he? We all can see he's not a scorer. I do think Richard can supply some instant offense off the bench. I'd just rather have 2-3 other kids on the roster run the point.
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Post by playerparentcoach on May 3, 2017 21:51:06 GMT -5
Well I know why he came to Siena. He is a pg and that is what he does best. There were no mins at that position last season. He did what was asked of him. He was recruited to take over after Wright left. If that changed because of the freshmen coming in then he was recruited over. That happens in DI ball. Hopefully he gets a chance to earn the spot he came to play if that was the case, why is the staff bringing in Penn and Horn? Both are more qualified to run the point. And if Kadeem isn't a PG what is he? We all can see he's not a scorer. I do think Richard can supply some instant offense off the bench. I'd just rather have 2-3 other kids on the roster run the point. I dont know what the staff told you. I do know why Richard came to Siena and I just hope he gets the opportunity to earn the spot he came here to play. I guess you are saying he was recruited over. If that is the case he probably wont stay. And no one should blame him. I believe if given the opportunity he will fill the role he came to Siena to fill.
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Post by knicksaint on May 3, 2017 22:33:18 GMT -5
PPC, I have to disagree strongly. When RIchard signed, Smithen was red-shirting and Wormley was beginning his freshman year. Richard was often described by Patsos as a Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson type of player. There is no way, had Wormley stayed, that Khalil would have seen even back-up minutes at the point. If he can demonstrate the ability to be a lead guard, that is great, but if he plays at the one it will be because he learned to play the position, not because he was brought in as a PG.
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Post by playerparentcoach on May 4, 2017 1:51:56 GMT -5
PPC, I have to disagree strongly. When RIchard signed, Smithen was red-shirting and Wormley was beginning his freshman year. Richard was often described by Patsos as a Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson type of player. There is no way, had Wormley stayed, that Khalil would have seen even back-up minutes at the point. If he can demonstrate the ability to be a lead guard, that is great, but if he plays at the one it will be because he learned to play the position, not because he was brought in as a PG. Richard was recruited to play the point. That is not my opinion it is a fact. I have known him since he was 8. He is a pg and came here to backup Wright. He wont be the first DI player to get recruited over and transfer. He was not given the opportunity because there were no mins for him to run the show. Hopefully there will be next season. Richard loves Siena and the fans. Wright started out as a pass first pg then Patsos said he was AI for the last 2 years. Richard is a pass first pg that can score.
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Post by Tony on May 4, 2017 5:05:16 GMT -5
Not sure if Khalil will start but as an experienced guard ( he got 13 min a game last year) he will start season as starter or one of 1st players off bench , same with Evan Fisher , it’s a big jump to D1 ball and most of the freshmen coming in are not high profile recruits, in fact most had little other D1 offers. And yes occasionally a low profile kid is much better than expected, but 80% of the time D1 interest is a good barometer of what to expect. It will be up to freshmen to displace Smithin, Richard and Fisher in playing rotation. I would guess Degnan and Penn have best chance to get into rotation since Degnan has D1 experience plus a year at Siena and Penn has been here since January. So I’d say Nico- Shivers- Smithin, Richard, Degnan, Fisher and Friday are good bets for playing rotation- rest of Freshmen ( and Huerter) will compete for last playing spot
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Post by playerparentcoach on May 4, 2017 8:47:02 GMT -5
Not sure if Khalil will start but as an experienced guard ( he got 13 min a game last year) he will start season as starter or one of 1st players off bench , same with Evan Fisher , it’s a big jump to D1 ball and most of the freshmen coming in are not high profile recruits, in fact most had little other D1 offers. And yes occasionally a low profile kid is much better than expected, but 80% of the time D1 interest is a good barometer of what to expect. It will be up to freshmen to displace Smithin, Richard and Fisher in playing rotation. I would guess Degnan and Penn have best chance to get into rotation since Degnan has D1 experience plus a year at Siena and Penn has been here since January. So I’d say Nico- Shivers- Smithin, Richard, Degnan, Fisher and Friday are good bets for playing rotation- rest of Freshmen ( and Huerter) will compete for last playing spot I can agree with this. It makes more sense to me. I dont see how you can give unproven freshmen starting roles over returning players before practice even starts. Competition for PT is a good thing but my money is on the returning players to fight for it.
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 4, 2017 8:56:03 GMT -5
Not sure if Khalil will start but as an experienced guard ( he got 13 min a game last year) he will start season as starter or one of 1st players off bench , same with Evan Fisher , it’s a big jump to D1 ball and most of the freshmen coming in are not high profile recruits, in fact most had little other D1 offers. And yes occasionally a low profile kid is much better than expected, but 80% of the time D1 interest is a good barometer of what to expect. It will be up to freshmen to displace Smithin, Richard and Fisher in playing rotation. I would guess Degnan and Penn have best chance to get into rotation since Degnan has D1 experience plus a year at Siena and Penn has been here since January. So I’d say Nico- Shivers- Smithin, Richard, Degnan, Fisher and Friday are good bets for playing rotation- rest of Freshmen ( and Huerter) will compete for last playing spot At least for Penn and Oduro, the jump to D1 shouldn't be as big. Oduro's prep team played against the top teams in the country on a consistent basis and had 3 D1 players. Penn's team had 6 D1 guys and he'll have been practicing with the team since January. I think guys should be thrown into the fire as freshmen if they are believed to be the future of the program, just as Wright and Long were when they got here. I'd start Penn, Nico, Shivers, Degnan, and Oduro, with Richard the first guard off the bench and Friday the first big off the bench.
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 4, 2017 8:57:26 GMT -5
Not sure if Khalil will start but as an experienced guard ( he got 13 min a game last year) he will start season as starter or one of 1st players off bench , same with Evan Fisher , it’s a big jump to D1 ball and most of the freshmen coming in are not high profile recruits, in fact most had little other D1 offers. And yes occasionally a low profile kid is much better than expected, but 80% of the time D1 interest is a good barometer of what to expect. It will be up to freshmen to displace Smithin, Richard and Fisher in playing rotation. I would guess Degnan and Penn have best chance to get into rotation since Degnan has D1 experience plus a year at Siena and Penn has been here since January. So I’d say Nico- Shivers- Smithin, Richard, Degnan, Fisher and Friday are good bets for playing rotation- rest of Freshmen ( and Huerter) will compete for last playing spot I dont see how you can give unproven freshmen starting roles over returning players before practice even starts. You didn't think Lavon was going to start before October 1st of his freshman year? IF Prince comes here, he starts over "returning players" from Day one. The better player will play, regardless of class. ps-and you still didn't address KS's logical point that when Richard signed here, Wormley was solidly ahead of him (28 starts his freshman year) at the point?
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 4, 2017 9:02:20 GMT -5
I dont see how you can give unproven freshmen starting roles over returning players before practice even starts. You didn't think Lavon was going to start before October 1st of his freshman year? IF Prince comes here, he starts over "returning players" from Day one. The better player will play, regardless of class. ps-and you still didn't address KS's logical point that when Richard signed here, Wormley was solidly ahead of him (28 starts his freshman year) at the point? HJ, how concerned are you that Prince isn't coming? Athletic Department has been sharing articles about him on Twitter and Prince hasn't indicated that there is any issues.
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Post by playerparentcoach on May 4, 2017 9:13:32 GMT -5
I dont see how you can give unproven freshmen starting roles over returning players before practice even starts. You didn't think Lavon was going to start before October 1st of his freshman year? IF Prince comes here, he starts over "returning players" from Day one. The better player will play, regardless of class. ps-and you still didn't address KS's logical point that when Richard signed here, Wormley was solidly ahead of him (28 starts his freshman year) at the point? Please dont start with the Lavon stuff Recruiting works like this The player looks for schools that fit what they want. The position you play is a big part of your choice. PT is also a deciding factor. Some are ok with waiting for the person in front of them and some want immediate PT. Depending on your options you make your decision. Its foolish to believe a coach that says you will start right away. You must also look at the situation and be honest about what you will bring to the table. If you believe the time is there for you to earn it then you go for it The coach will look for what he needs to win. Some are honest with recriits and give them the opportunity to earn the time they are offering. Some tell you what you want to hear then roll the dice on several players that do the same thing then discard the rest. There are alot of things that can happen in between. But the player and his circle know what was told them to get them to accept the offer. It is not always the same thing you hear in the press.
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