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Post by great10110 on Mar 1, 2017 10:24:13 GMT -5
Easy: -Entire Athletic Department is now UA. -Exposure on ESPN radio. Fran refuses to do anything for Wyland and hardly did radio spots. Mitch didn't do much either. -Exposure on Sportscenter,as well as most recently on Gameday -Took over a dumpster fire with personnel -Some can say recruiting has been spotty but 4 seniors with 1k plus point and Nico well on way to hitting that mark as well. -Solid ambassador to the league and other coaches. -Starting to recruit local kids (Seymour,Moll.Girard). Keep an eye on Burns at ND as well. Heard it here first - I truely believe he is now getting the fan base and expectations and responsibilities that go into being at Siena. It's not Loyola. - In game coaching 2nd half of year are been best in his tenure. I could go on, but sitting on train.. Nice post, however what is his record, what do the new recruits look like. Dismal at best. Fran took over a dumpster fire as did Hewitt and Deane. I believe am I wrong 2 of the 1000 pt scores were recruited by MB, BB and JO. Lets look at the development of those players, candidly not what it should be but yes they did improve esp LL. OBTW fannies in the seats is down. BB could have left this year for his 5th year and he stayed. Javion left and came back. Javion also opened his recruitment back up and Jimmy had to work to keep him. That has to mean something. Rumor is Wormley tried to come back and was denied. Again. Means something. Fannies in the seat this year can be attributed to a lot. Snowstorms and ice didn't help. Home schedule didn't have a lot of Saturday games. Also believe Iona, Canisus and Marist all drew over 7k people. No Albany game this year at TUC so the overall numbers will Be down because of that game and the Bucknell game being at GFCC in a snow storm. Let's look at see how the recruiting class finishes for 2017. I think when all said and done, class will be descent. Look at the 2018 recruit we already have. 7 pages of negative comments, he's starting to break out and now people are worried about losing him to a bigger school.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 1, 2017 10:49:28 GMT -5
The Spin Doctors are in the house.....
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Post by saints22 on Mar 1, 2017 11:13:33 GMT -5
LOL!!!!!! If recruits and parents of recruits reading this board are influenced by what they see they should move on....... What person in their right mind is going to allow an internet fan board to have such an impact on such a major decision. Couldn't agree more, instead of worrying about this board and it's opinions how about worrying about the BOT, AD and coach and their decisions on recruiting. Well, I'll disagree with both you and One. Any parent worthy of the name would want as much information as possible about any school their son or daughter is thinking about attending. If that child is a scholarship-type athlete, the parents would very likely be looking at sources of information such as this board. At the very least, many of the comments on this board are going to raise red flags for parents who see frequent negative comments about the head coach, AD and administration. What parent wouldn't have reservations about having their son/daughter commit to a place where a number of the "fans" are so down on the program? Who would want to send their child to such an environment? Certainly the comments on this board wouldn't be the sole basis for a college decision, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they would play a part in such a decision, at least for some families. A couple of other things.......we all know you have serious issues with the "BOT, AD and coach". That's fine. We get it, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But to keep saying the same thing over and over, in post after post, really is getting "old" Dave. In another post, you say that Fran, Paul and Mike Deane all came to Siena having to deal with "dumpster fires". Agree on Fran and Paul, but I think you overreached when you mentioned Mike. Mike's predecessor, John Griffin, had an overall record of 70-44 (.614 winning percentage in his four years at Siena), including a record of 21-8 the year before Mike arrived.
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Post by MTS on Mar 1, 2017 12:29:35 GMT -5
Nice post, however what is his record, what do the new recruits look like. Dismal at best. Fran took over a dumpster fire as did Hewitt and Deane. I believe am I wrong 2 of the 1000 pt scores were recruited by MB, BB and JO. Lets look at the development of those players, candidly not what it should be but yes they did improve esp LL. OBTW fannies in the seats is down. BB could have left this year for his 5th year and he stayed. Javion left and came back. Javion also opened his recruitment back up and Jimmy had to work to keep him. That has to mean something. Rumor is Wormley tried to come back and was denied. Again. Means something. Fannies in the seat this year can be attributed to a lot. Snowstorms and ice didn't help. Home schedule didn't have a lot of Saturday games. Also believe Iona, Canisus and Marist all drew over 7k people. No Albany game this year at TUC so the overall numbers will Be down because of that game and the Bucknell game being at GFCC in a snow storm. Let's look at see how the recruiting class finishes for 2017. I think when all said and done, class will be descent. Look at the 2018 recruit we already have. 7 pages of negative comments, he's starting to break out and now people are worried about losing him to a bigger school. We had a bunch of Saturday home games: 12/3 vs. Fairfield 12/17 vs. Bucknell (GFCC) 1/7 vs. St. Peter's 2/4 vs. Canisius 2/18 vs. Niagara Plus a couple of Sunday afternoon and a Friday night. Next year Siena should get more Saturday home dates with the Devils moving out.
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Post by ltf on Mar 1, 2017 13:48:16 GMT -5
The "dumpster fire" that Hewitt inherited included Faison, Cantamessa and Osinski. Not a Trumplike inheritance but not too shabby!
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Post by hankla on Mar 1, 2017 15:01:35 GMT -5
Let's thank the board administrators for keeping this thread on the Topic MARIST,SENIOR DAY.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 2, 2017 14:46:24 GMT -5
That was probably me. Because I'm reading a good win, but ... . I don't need the "but" to still root for my favorite team. Others may need the "but" but I don't. Great blow out win Saints!!! Keep it going, but if you don't (for what ever reason) I'll still be there next year to cheer what ever admin, coach or players are still there. Besides me mts, old Dave and mjs, th24 posted positive comments on the game in this thread. Where are the positive comments from the peanut gallery? Instead the thread turns into a pissing match. Again, great job. I actually feel the same way but with people constantly putting down the team they root for (I coaches & admin part of the team too). Not saying everyone but there's enough that like to rehash the same points. I'll continue to rehash the pint that some of us who consider Siena our favorite team, while we acknowledge short comings and improvement areas, continue to root for our favorite team (including the coaches & admin). That's all.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 2, 2017 16:13:09 GMT -5
Besides me mts, old Dave and mjs, th24 posted positive comments on the game in this thread. Where are the positive comments from the peanut gallery? Instead the thread turns into a pissing match. Again, great job. I actually feel the same way but with people constantly putting down the team they root for (I coaches & admin part of the team too). Not saying everyone but there's enough that like to rehash the same points. I'll continue to rehash the pint that some of us who consider Siena our favorite team, while we acknowledge short comings and improvement areas, continue to root for our favorite team (including the coaches & admin). That's all. I agree but I'll continue to suggest that posters who don't like reading critics look elsewhere when those same posters are suggesting that critical fans should no longer follow the program. If posters would simply make counterpoints without attacking the posters posts like these would be unnecessary. Although, looks like this thread will get to ten pages after all.
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Post by psycholojets on Mar 2, 2017 16:36:11 GMT -5
OMG, the record has improved in the second half. Three point shooting and free throws are vastly improved. Defense is better but the rhetoric has not changed at all.
If there had been no improvement or development as a team then continuing to hammer the coach would make sense. Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards
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Post by gorvy on Mar 2, 2017 17:20:42 GMT -5
OMG, the record has improved in the second half. Three point shooting and free throws are vastly improved. Defense is better but the rhetoric has not changed at all. If there had been no improvement or development as a team then continuing to hammer the coach would make sense. Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards Thankfully the defense and three point shooting improved (imo as a result of a quickened pace and certain players "getting it". The free throws did come around. We need a big run to avoid a losing season. We will see what coach is able to do basically starting over next year. Keep in mind to date no first or second place finishes, reg or postseason maac play in four years pending this weekends results.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 2, 2017 18:41:40 GMT -5
I actually feel the same way but with people constantly putting down the team they root for (I coaches & admin part of the team too). Not saying everyone but there's enough that like to rehash the same points. I'll continue to rehash the pint that some of us who consider Siena our favorite team, while we acknowledge short comings and improvement areas, continue to root for our favorite team (including the coaches & admin). That's all. I agree but I'll continue to suggest that posters who don't like reading critics look elsewhere when those same posters are suggesting that critical fans should no longer follow the program. If posters would simply make counterpoints without attacking the posters posts like these would be unnecessary. Although, looks like this thread will get to ten pages after all. I understand. I can't counter many of the criticisms, but that doesn't stop me from supporters mg the program (including the people who are being critized (or criticisms about). It's almost asking religions to prove what they believe is is factually true. I just have faith that Siena, admin, coaches, players will do the right thing. I'm not changing my alliances even in down times. Not saying you are but others have expressed concerns/opinions that lead others wonder/question things. I really doubt anyone can question wher I stand with being a Siena fan or rooted no for my favorite team no matter what.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 2, 2017 18:56:35 GMT -5
I agree but I'll continue to suggest that posters who don't like reading critics look elsewhere when those same posters are suggesting that critical fans should no longer follow the program. If posters would simply make counterpoints without attacking the posters posts like these would be unnecessary. Although, looks like this thread will get to ten pages after all. I understand. I can't counter many of the criticisms, but that doesn't stop me from supporters mg the program (including the people who are being critized (or criticisms about). It's almost asking religions to prove what they believe is is factually true. I just have faith that Siena, admin, coaches, players will do the right thing. I'm not changing my alliances even in down times. Not saying you are but others have expressed concerns/opinions that lead others wonder/question things. I really doubt anyone can question wher I stand with being a Siena fan or rooted no for my favorite team no matter what. Not at all. Nobody can touch your fandom--/ every program needs supporters like you. In my mind I feel that others defend the coaches so vigorously that they end up criticizing the players, some may even say things they don't really mean to bolster their argument in defense of coach. A prime example is fisher who no doubt works his butt off day in and day out--- it remains to be seen what he can do under a different regime (maybe we never will) but he takes a lot of heat on this board.
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Post by olddave on Mar 2, 2017 21:54:52 GMT -5
I understand. I can't counter many of the criticisms, but that doesn't stop me from supporters mg the program (including the people who are being critized (or criticisms about). It's almost asking religions to prove what they believe is is factually true. I just have faith that Siena, admin, coaches, players will do the right thing. I'm not changing my alliances even in down times. Not saying you are but others have expressed concerns/opinions that lead others wonder/question things. I really doubt anyone can question wher I stand with being a Siena fan or rooted no for my favorite team no matter what. Not at all. Nobody can touch your fandom--/ every program needs supporters like you. In my mind I feel that others defend the coaches so vigorously that they end up criticizing the players, some may even say things they don't really mean to bolster their argument in defense of coach. A prime example is fisher who no doubt works his butt off day in and day out--- it remains to be seen what he can do under a different regime (maybe we never will) but he takes a lot of heat on this board. Got to agree with Gorvy, no one can compete with IndianSaint regarding his fandom. To top that off he is a gentleman. That being said no one should question anyone' s love for Siena who posts or reads this board. They, we have different degrees of what they want from the program but they support it. Obviously there are 2 factions regarding the program, those who believe the school can do no wrong, and just what it is and those that believe the school can do better and hasn't put the right pieces of the pie into place to run the program. To the poster who said it was old my reintegrating my opinion of folks who hire the coach, so be it, it is your opinion which I value along with others but as said in the posts give us facts to prove those allegations false.. I was taught, trained by the same school to accept problems as challenges and opportunities and accept change to make the school as a whole a better institution, financially sound while at the same time putting a once potent BB program on the court. That's what the majority want that participate here.
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Post by nolesaint on Mar 3, 2017 7:24:33 GMT -5
OMG, the record has improved in the second half. Three point shooting and free throws are vastly improved. Defense is better but the rhetoric has not changed at all. If there had been no improvement or development as a team then continuing to hammer the coach would make sense. Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards So what you're saying is that the early season games don't matter? You're SnOwSnOwflake's kind of fan....!
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Post by Quackman on Mar 3, 2017 8:15:14 GMT -5
OMG, the record has improved in the second half. Three point shooting and free throws are vastly improved. Defense is better but the rhetoric has not changed at all. If there had been no improvement or development as a team then continuing to hammer the coach would make sense. Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards So what you're saying is that the early season games don't matter? You're SnOwSnOwflake's kind of fan....! With all due respect Rob, I don't think that is what he is saying at all. Coaches are viewed on a variety of different levels and certainly wins/losses is high on that list. But, another thing used to evaluate a coach has to be improvement throughout the year. As poor as the Saints started the year, they played like a top tier MAAC team for the second half of the season. That does not excuse or explain away the Saints start to the season but, at least in my opinion, should be factored in when considering the entire year. As I've said before, I'd prefer to wait until the season is completely over before evaluating the season and the coach.
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