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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 13:22:18 GMT -5
All things in context. I have been "running numbers" as a professional for over 40 years, I can do it with the best of them. Early in the season JP had EF trying 3 pointers they both thought he could make. He didn't. They are "baked into" the numbers and with sparse minutes have an out-sized effect. I get it that a lot of you do not particularly appreciate what a guy like EF can contribute. I hate to sound like "an apologist" for the kid, but I like the intensity with which he plays AND his leadership on the floor. Watch him sometime on defense, recognizing the other team's set and "directing", that counts. Hate him all you want, I am rooting for him. He seems like a good kid and has a good personality but unfortunately, other than communication, what is his strength? Every other kid on this team has at least one strength. Smithen plays great D, handles the ball, and makes his FTs. Shivers can attack the rim, play tough, and take care of the ball. Richard can shoot and score and handle PG some. Friday can rebound and score inside, and play some D. Fisher is a big man shooting 28%, who is not a ball handler, not a good rebounder for his position, and struggles mightily on D. He's also missing half his FTs. He really shouldn't haven been playing so many minutes in the 1st place. This was obvious from about December of 2015.
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Post by $cott on Feb 28, 2017 13:28:57 GMT -5
All things in context. I have been "running numbers" as a professional for over 40 years, I can do it with the best of them. Early in the season JP had EF trying 3 pointers they both thought he could make. He didn't. They are "baked into" the numbers and with sparse minutes have an out-sized effect. I get it that a lot of you do not particularly appreciate what a guy like EF can contribute. I hate to sound like "an apologist" for the kid, but I like the intensity with which he plays AND his leadership on the floor. Watch him sometime on defense, recognizing the other team's set and "directing", that counts. Hate him all you want, I am rooting for him. I don't hate the kid at all. Just seems like he's bringing absolutely nothing to this team as a guy playing regular minutes. Might be the absolute perfect kid to have busting his butt in practice and acting as an extra coach from the bench. But playing him at the expense of Friday is simply not good for Siena right now.
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Post by MTS on Feb 28, 2017 13:34:48 GMT -5
I still don't get how WB couldn't get minutes over Fisher. For sure Friday should play over him.
To be competitive at all next year..hopefully Nico comes back and we add some more talent. The problem is we don't have good luck with JUCOs and can't get graduate transfers (and a sit out transfer is obviously not going to help next year). Has to be freshmen and most of the top ones are off the board in April. JP has made his bed.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 28, 2017 14:47:07 GMT -5
All things in context. I have been "running numbers" as a professional for over 40 years, I can do it with the best of them. Early in the season JP had EF trying 3 pointers they both thought he could make. He didn't. They are "baked into" the numbers and with sparse minutes have an out-sized effect. I get it that a lot of you do not particularly appreciate what a guy like EF can contribute. I hate to sound like "an apologist" for the kid, but I like the intensity with which he plays AND his leadership on the floor. Watch him sometime on defense, recognizing the other team's set and "directing", that counts. Hate him all you want, I am rooting for him. I don't hate the kid at all. Just seems like he's bringing absolutely nothing to this team as a guy playing regular minutes. Might be the absolute perfect kid to have busting his butt in practice and acting as an extra coach from the bench. But playing him at the expense of Friday is simply not good for Siena right now. FWIW- and again, I now (according to hoopjunkie) only know how to make good sauce My assessment of Evan is that he is a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. A young man of his body stature with lack of quick feet is in a precarious situation in the F L E X offense. Things are supposed to F L O W which is kind of hard if you are slower footed. I think that his 3 point shooting confidence has been blown out of the water and hasn't been productive because of all the energy he has to expend (mind and body) to keep up say with Quis and Nico for example, and look over his shoulder all the time while taking a beating here. Brett is much more fluid and JO, god love him, perfunctorily stays put for the most part. Just saying, I don't think the kid was really given a fair shot to ever have been playing to his strengths in this system of play whatever it is supposed to be.
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Post by skipc on Feb 28, 2017 15:39:18 GMT -5
I don't hate the kid at all. Just seems like he's bringing absolutely nothing to this team as a guy playing regular minutes. Might be the absolute perfect kid to have busting his butt in practice and acting as an extra coach from the bench. But playing him at the expense of Friday is simply not good for Siena right now. FWIW- and again, I now (according to hoopjunkie) only know how to make good sauce My assessment of Evan is that he is a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. A young man of his body stature with lack of quick feet is in a precarious situation in the F L E X offense. Things are supposed to F L O W which is kind of hard if you are slower footed. I think that his 3 point shooting confidence has been blown out of the water and hasn't been productive because of all the energy he has to expend (mind and body) to keep up say with Quis and Nico for example, and look over his shoulder all the time while taking a beating here. Brett is much more fluid and JO, god love him, perfunctorily stays put for the most part. Just saying, I don't think the kid was really given a fair shot to ever have been playing to his strengths in this system of play whatever it is supposed to be. I really like the motion offense we run. The goal of our offense is to pass rather than dribble and continue moving the ball and cutting until an advantage is gained in the paint. By rotating the ball around quickly, you have a better chance to catch the defense flat footed and we create an inside advantage- distribute the ball to that person preferably in the paint and then they need to finish. Where we get bogged down is when we try to take the air out of the ball and drain the shot clock. We are terrible at getting into our offense early enough when we do this so as we get a good opportunity inside 5 seconds of the shot clock. This is when you see Nico hoist up desperation 3's or the clock expires without a shot taken. That is unacceptable. I would prefer we continue to play our style through the entire game rather than let teams back into the game because of our inability to effectively use clock. EF appears to be a smart player who knows where he is supposed to be(that's why he plays instead of WB) however lacks the athleticism to perform at this level. I'm agree with KK on this one.
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Post by great10110 on Feb 28, 2017 15:43:50 GMT -5
I still don't get how WB couldn't get minutes over Fisher. For sure Friday should play over him. To be competitive at all next year..hopefully Nico comes back and we add some more talent. The problem is we don't have good luck with JUCOs and can't get graduate transfers (and a sit out transfer is obviously not going to help next year). Has to be freshmen and most of the top ones are off the board in April. JP has made his bed. Is every comment you make on this board about Patsos and your hate for him? Your getting to be as bad as PPC on Twitter and this board.
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 28, 2017 15:50:21 GMT -5
I still don't get how WB couldn't get minutes over Fisher. For sure Friday should play over him. To be competitive at all next year..hopefully Nico comes back and we add some more talent. The problem is we don't have good luck with JUCOs and can't get graduate transfers (and a sit out transfer is obviously not going to help next year). Has to be freshmen and most of the top ones are off the board in April. JP has made his bed. Is every comment you make on this board about Patsos and your hate for him? Your getting to be as bad as PPC on Twitter and this board. I think you are way off base criticizing MTS. He's a true fan and he gave JP plenty of rope.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 28, 2017 15:51:40 GMT -5
I still don't get how WB couldn't get minutes over Fisher. For sure Friday should play over him. To be competitive at all next year..hopefully Nico comes back and we add some more talent. The problem is we don't have good luck with JUCOs and can't get graduate transfers (and a sit out transfer is obviously not going to help next year). Has to be freshmen and most of the top ones are off the board in April. JP has made his bed. This assumes that the redshirt PG and Huerter and the kids that signed can't contribute next year. I'm not willing to write them off unseen. Let them get on the floor and see what they bring before dismissing their potential. They will certainly get their chance to step up. I for one hope they can and do and in a big way.
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Post by Quackman on Feb 28, 2017 16:14:35 GMT -5
and this is why Money ball does not work for basketball. I'll give you Long has been very good and at times great. But there is no way that JO should rank above Bisping or Wright. It is generally easier for a big guy to be more efficient, especially on a team that shoots the three ball poorly. Bisping and Marquis both had some pretty bad stretches during MAAC play too. I also think you have to look at the defensive drop off when you take Ogunyemi out of the game and lose that shot blocking ability. Bisping can do absolutely nothing defensively but take the charge and is a huge drop-off defensively when he has to play center. While I would still agree with you that Ogunyemi was probably our fourth best player in conference play I don't think the gap between the top 4 is very big. I, too, am a numbers guy. But basketball is a vastly different sport than baseball where stats really do tell the entire story. With as much as Siena trys to run the offense through JO, his inconsistent production has really hurt the Saints at times. Yes, he helps on defense but I disagree on Bispring. While not a great 1 on 1 defender, he is solid at the top of the press, takes charges, gets his share of steals and, perhaps most importantly, rebounds his position at a rate that far exceeds JO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 16:42:42 GMT -5
This drives me crazy....... who the hell is Bispring???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 16:59:22 GMT -5
This drives me crazy....... who the hell is Bispring??? Bispring is one of the many active springs in Saratoga Springs from which the city draws (pun intended) its name. The Bi stands for Bismuth and it is found in high concentrations in the water coming from the Bi-spring. Bismuth is reported to treat upset stomach, heartburn and nausea. The training staff at Siena has, over the past five years, invested heavily in bringing the Bispring natural water based product to their training facility to quell the recent rise in such maladies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 17:43:10 GMT -5
Hathorn #3
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Post by great10110 on Feb 28, 2017 18:10:35 GMT -5
Is every comment you make on this board about Patsos and your hate for him? Your getting to be as bad as PPC on Twitter and this board. I think you are way off base criticizing MTS. He's a true fan and he gave JP plenty of rope. The constant negativity just gets old. Don't you think recruits and parents read this board? Don't like where the program is headed, don't buy tickets
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 18:25:35 GMT -5
I think you are way off base criticizing MTS. He's a true fan and he gave JP plenty of rope. The constant negativity just gets old. Don't you think recruits and parents read this board? Don't like where the program is headed, don't buy tickets Oh these young whipper snappers who weren't around during the great MB1 feud of 2010. The sky was blue, the birds were chirping, and the air was filled with a scent of happiness and the sound of wonder....until Mitch started out 2-5 and people died. Locusts swept through the land, lava rained from the heavens, cats ate dogs, demons walked the TUC, and MTS went on a diet. It was complete anarchy. 1 in 10 posters didn't leave that era alive and those of us who survived have deep emotional scars. This board is rays of sunshine and butterflies right now. Take our word for it.
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Post by hankla on Feb 28, 2017 19:01:00 GMT -5
I think you are way off base criticizing MTS. He's a true fan and he gave JP plenty of rope. The constant negativity just gets old. Don't you think recruits and parents read this board? Don't like where the program is headed, don't buy tickets Gets old? Hell tripping on their beards.
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