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Post by OneIndian on Feb 20, 2017 23:06:39 GMT -5
I agree I wish Worm stayed he would have made a big difference this year. In my post above he fell into the "tons of transfers" category.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 20, 2017 23:08:12 GMT -5
I agree I wish Worm stayed he would have made a big difference this year. In my post above he fell into the "tons of transfers" category. He and Cole would have.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 20, 2017 23:09:55 GMT -5
I agree I wish Worm stayed he would have made a big difference this year. In my post above he fell into the "tons of transfers" category. He and Cole would have. Yeah Cole had ability but was a bad seed. Too bad!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 11:10:21 GMT -5
I agree I wish Worm stayed he would have made a big difference this year. In my post above he fell into the "tons of transfers" category. He and Cole would have. Cole is a ball hog who averages 4 TOs per game and doesn't play D. He might likely hinder this team as much as help. Chemistry would not be there at all. It wasn't there when he was here. Wormley, if he remained the same as he was, is not much different than what we've gotten from the Shivers, Smithen, and Richard trio. Maybe he would have been better than that but no so sure. Give Siena a 6-3 combo guard who can shoot the three and defend without turning the ball over like crazy...that makes a difference. Or how about a guy named Ryan Oliver who settles the team down and makes the big shot.
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Post by Quackman on Feb 24, 2017 12:08:51 GMT -5
Cole is a ball hog who averages 4 TOs per game and doesn't play D. He might likely hinder this team as much as help. Chemistry would not be there at all. It wasn't there when he was here. Wormley, if he remained the same as he was, is not much different than what we've gotten from the Shivers, Smithen, and Richard trio. Maybe he would have been better than that but no so sure. Give Siena a 6-3 combo guard who can shoot the three and defend without turning the ball over like crazy...that makes a difference. Or how about a guy named Ryan Oliver who settles the team down and makes the big shot. I like what Shivers brings to the table. Good glue guy who plays hard on both ends of the court and seems to have a knack for hitting a bit shot in a big situation. Both Shivers and Richard have shown themselves to be MAAC level athletes/players. On a senior laden team, neither is asked/allowed to be more that a role player. They should be part of a solid back court going forward. Interested to see what Penn and Horn bring to the table next year. Clareth is the wildcard. If he comes back and playing team ball, then the Saints backcourt should be good to very good next year.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 24, 2017 12:25:04 GMT -5
Cole is a ball hog who averages 4 TOs per game and doesn't play D. He might likely hinder this team as much as help. Chemistry would not be there at all. It wasn't there when he was here. Wormley, if he remained the same as he was, is not much different than what we've gotten from the Shivers, Smithen, and Richard trio. Maybe he would have been better than that but no so sure. Give Siena a 6-3 combo guard who can shoot the three and defend without turning the ball over like crazy...that makes a difference. Or how about a guy named Ryan Oliver who settles the team down and makes the big shot. Cole plays D as good as any of our main guys do, and scores better than all of them, so trust me he'd help on the floor. *He'd also lead the MAAC in assists. Kenny would have had a good year. We invested a lot of time in him as a freshman. Players make their biggest jump in their sophomore season, and it's too bad we never got to see one from him.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 24, 2017 12:36:42 GMT -5
It's done now. Shivers has improved over the past ten games and Richard has shown flashes of what he can bring to the table. With roster turnover you never know who will be acmvailable but I suspect a similar season to this year going forward--- not a serious contender but not the doomsday scenario some are envisioning.
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Post by MTS on Feb 24, 2017 13:01:55 GMT -5
It's done now. Shivers has improved over the past ten games and Richard has shown flashes of what he can bring to the table. With roster turnover you never know who will be acmvailable but I suspect a similar season to this year going forward--- not a serious contender but not the doomsday scenario some are envisioning. I want to win as many games as possible but what I fear is another .500 type year and JP survives. Even with everyone expected back for the next year (barring transfers) we've seen twice now (14-15 and 16-17) that he can't handle high expectations so I don't trust that he could build towards a championship. Perennially .500 coach. He should go now but definitely after next year unless he wins the MAAC title and finishes in the top 3. With no seniors and lack of talent that is highly unlikely in 2017-18.
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 24, 2017 13:59:15 GMT -5
It's done now. Shivers has improved over the past ten games and Richard has shown flashes of what he can bring to the table. With roster turnover you never know who will be acmvailable but I suspect a similar season to this year going forward--- not a serious contender but not the doomsday scenario some are envisioning. I want to win as many games as possible but what I fear is another .500 type year and JP survives. Even with everyone expected back for the next year (barring transfers) we've seen twice now (14-15 and 16-17) that he can't handle high expectations so I don't trust that he could build towards a championship. Perennially .500 coach. He should go now but definitely after next year unless he wins the MAAC title and finishes in the top 3. With no seniors and lack of talent that is highly unlikely in 2017-18. Mike stop posting this crap. Jimmy won't listen to you and take your recruiting advice. This will turn him off and he won't hear about the next Nico
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Post by Tony on Feb 24, 2017 17:27:39 GMT -5
Guys lets keep recruiting thread about recruiting- as for the topic here- I think Kenny W would have made a huge difference- not only would his offense improve he was a pretty good defender with size and speed. Problem with Shivers( and I like him) he is too slow for a guard, watch him tonight he will not be able to get out on Hornbreak and Seaborn, if he does they will blow by him- Nico can go out and guard them and Kenny would have been able to also. Richards is ok, but he is about 5'9"
Patrick Cole is having a good senior year- but he turns ball over to much, and is ball hog - not my type of player
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 24, 2017 17:35:13 GMT -5
Guys lets keep recruiting thread about recruiting- as for the topic here- I think Kenny W would have made a huge difference- not only would his offense improve he was a pretty good defender with size and speed. Problem with Shivers( and I like him) he is too slow for a guard, watch him tonight he will not be able to get out on Hornbreak and Seaborn, if he does they will blow by him- Nico can go out and guard them and Kenny would have been able to also. Richards is ok, but he is about 5'9" Patrick Cole is having a good senior year- but he turns ball over to much, and is ball hog - not my type of player Shivers is not strater material, ok 7-9 min a game kid. No speed no hops limited offense. He is scrappy though and brings energy that's why he's a decent role kid. Patsos not trying to keep KW around was a huge miscalculation. He probably would have started most of the season and logged a lot of minutes. I thought the offense ran pretty well with him at the point last year and he was a solid defender as well.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:45:15 GMT -5
Guys lets keep recruiting thread about recruiting- as for the topic here- I think Kenny W would have made a huge difference- not only would his offense improve he was a pretty good defender with size and speed. Problem with Shivers( and I like him) he is too slow for a guard, watch him tonight he will not be able to get out on Hornbreak and Seaborn, if he does they will blow by him- Nico can go out and guard them and Kenny would have been able to also. Richards is ok, but he is about 5'9" Patrick Cole is having a good senior year- but he turns ball over to much, and is ball hog - not my type of player Shivers is not strater material, ok 7-9 min a game kid. No speed no hops limited offense. He is scrappy though and brings energy that's why he's a decent role kid. Patsos not trying to keep KW around was a huge miscalculation. He probably would have started most of the season and logged a lot of minutes. I thought the offense ran pretty well with him at the point last year and he was a solid defender as well..... Wormley wasn't a great attacker or finisher. He benefited a lot from passing around the perimeter and finding the open 3 pt shooter....Oliver etc. Long was more the PG last year than he was. He was just a glue guy who didn't take chances. Wormley was just 4th on the team in assists and he wasn't a scorer.
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Post by Tony on Feb 24, 2017 18:29:56 GMT -5
two things he was a freshmen on a team full of upperclassmen- he was our 2nd best guard defender after Nico. Worm had some size and length and good speed. He didnt make mistakes and kept his cool on court - I dont think much doubt Worm would have played ahead of Richard, SHivers or Smithin. Just from a defensive POV he would have helped. But I guess that's a pointless argument now since he is gone
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 24, 2017 18:33:54 GMT -5
Shivers is not strater material, ok 7-9 min a game kid. No speed no hops limited offense. He is scrappy though and brings energy that's why he's a decent role kid. Patsos not trying to keep KW around was a huge miscalculation. He probably would have started most of the season and logged a lot of minutes. I thought the offense ran pretty well with him at the point last year and he was a solid defender as well..... Wormley wasn't a great attacker or finisher. He benefited a lot from passing around the perimeter and finding the open 3 pt shooter....Oliver etc. Long was more the PG last year than he was. He was just a glue guy who didn't take chances. Wormley was just 4th on the team in assists and he wasn't a scorer. Long was more of a point last year, that's funny. Isn't a good pg suppose to locate the open man! Sometimes you're comical. KW did exactly what he needed to do last year and the team thrived with him at the point when MW went down. Good defender and solid with the ball in his hands. Sometimes your spreadsheets don't tell the entire story. KW would have made a big difference this year. Face it ... You didn't like the kid from the get go.
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Post by psycholojets on Feb 25, 2017 12:17:45 GMT -5
Jimmy didn't try to keep him? I missed that.
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