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Post by hoopsforever on Dec 22, 2016 22:23:30 GMT -5
Ouch! This was the MOST troubling loss of a loss filled season to me. Siena just flat out could not compete with the Pride. It is not like the Pride is the best team we have played, so that to me, makes this the most troubling of all of the losses, and my concern for the team deepens.,,,, and I have to admit, my expectations for this year were sky high - I could not wait for Siena basketball to start - High expectations a killer to morale. So frustrating.
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Post by hooligan on Dec 22, 2016 22:33:34 GMT -5
He's so frustrating. He takes the blame for not calling out the defense.. In the next sentence he basically blames the seniors on the floor for not calling it out. I frighten hate when people speak out of both sides of their mouth. Same what you mean and mean what you say. Either take the blame or assess blame but don't do both.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 22, 2016 22:43:53 GMT -5
Sign of a poorly coached team is regression, Hofstra was better last year and we handle them, this year totally unprepared. So we were coached well last year? Not sure what you mean. Players are the same, coach is the same. What's different? No but nice try. The point is we are very inconsistent, regressing, lacking in leadership, lacking organization, lacking unity, undisciplined & hardly ever prepared. This team has taken on the personality of its coach. The players on this team either leave, regress or seldom show improvement. In short your boy is a lazy bad coach and needs to go. Didn't like the hire from day 1 and I hate it even more today. I just hope this program can recover from the last 7 years.
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Post by cowboyankee on Dec 22, 2016 23:00:23 GMT -5
I've been reading this forum for years..my first post.. Patsos is very undisciplined and his team emulates him..that's why they have issues with tardiness/suspensions, etc.. he's not a workaholic like the most successful coaches..he's an entertainer. I listened twice to Will Brown during the clash before the Albany Cup and what struck me was how he described Patsos and the team..He used phrases I like Jimmy-he's a great guy..I'd love to have the talent he has.. they have tons of talent.. if you listened, he never said, Jimmy's a good coach or they're well-coached..most coaches say that even if they don't mean it.. Brown never has..
Siena seems unprepared mentally and physically..guys are always hurt, he changes the lineup constantly, nobody really knows their role, etc..I never advocate firing someone but Siena is in real danger of not being relevant anymore in this area and resuming their games at the ARC.. I hope it all turns around soon
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Post by indian82 on Dec 22, 2016 23:16:46 GMT -5
I've been reading this forum for years..my first post.. Patsos is very undisciplined and his team emulates him..that's why they have issues with tardiness/suspensions, etc.. he's not a workaholic like the most successful coaches..he's an entertainer. I listened twice to Will Brown during the clash before the Albany Cup and what struck me was how he described Patsos and the team..He used phrases I like Jimmy-he's a great guy..I'd love to have the talent he has.. they have tons of talent.. if you listened, he never said, Jimmy's a good coach or they're well-coached..most coaches say that even if they don't mean it.. Brown never has.. Siena seems unprepared mentally and physically..guys are always hurt, he changes the lineup constantly, nobody really knows their role, etc..I never advocate firing someone but Siena is in real danger of not being relevant anymore in this area and resuming their games at the ARC.. I hope it all turns around soon Welcome. Good first post. Second paragraph is particularly accurate.
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Post by mattglassman312 on Dec 23, 2016 0:01:36 GMT -5
This is just embarrassing. We've had plenty of teams that just didn't have much talent, but I can't remember seeing a Siena team in my 30 years watching whose sum was so much less than the parts. Marquis, Javion, Nico, and Brett are all outstanding MAAC level players, and as a whole we still have basically nothing to show for it.
This can only be on the coach.
I'm coming to town for Christmas and I've got tickets to the Vermont game and the Union-ND hockey game on NYE. First time in my life I've been more excited to go to Union.
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Post by scooter23 on Dec 23, 2016 0:32:20 GMT -5
Sign of a poorly coached team is regression, Hofstra was better last year and we handle them, this year totally unprepared. So we were coached well last year? Not sure what you mean. Players are the same, coach is the same. What's different? I thought he put it pretty clearly when he said the word regression... has nothing to do with the coaching 2 years ago against Hofstra, last year against Hofstra or this year in the loss... Sounded to me like a metaphor for where this program has gone in the last 3 years. Im pretty sure sure oneindian summed it up pretty well comparing the performance tonight compared to the way this same team, as you put it, played Hofstra last year. That's all.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 23, 2016 0:34:46 GMT -5
So we were coached well last year? Not sure what you mean. Players are the same, coach is the same. What's different? No but nice try. The point is we are very inconsistent, regressing, lacking in leadership, lacking organization, lacking unity, undisciplined & hardly ever prepared. This team has taken on the personality of its coach. The players on this team either leave, regress or seldom show improvement. In short your boy is a lazy bad coach and needs to go. Didn't like the hire from day 1 and I hate it even more today. I just hope this program can recover from the last 7 years. You're missing the point. I'm not disagreeing with your analysis THIS year, but I want to hear why you think we went so far back in 8 months with basically the same team?? We were fairly successful last year. What went so wrong in that short period of time??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 3:58:55 GMT -5
Lucius Jordan, Ben Asher, Ryan Oliver, Kenny Wormley, Kinnon LaRose, Jimmy Paige, Cam Gottfried and any of others that are missing from last years team. Some cohesiveness disappeared when they left and put this team into disarray.
As Mitch's recruits ride off into the sunset the vacuum that is Siena basketball is increasing.
And I don't care how it looks to some, I still think there's a riff between Wright and Clareth that's the poison to this team. Marquis never looks happy, ever.
I'm not surprised we lost at Hofstra, just in the way we lost. Do you think we'll be top 4 in the MAAC, probably, but no run in the tournament and no championship game appearance.
I feel bad for all involved, Players, fans and coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 6:39:45 GMT -5
Watched the presser twice - arghhhh! Not sure of the statistics but he fails to finish sentences more than the team finishes "plays". Tired of hearing "It's on me" - he is the only person who can fix that - START COACHING - and that means BEFORE THE GAME! How many "It's on me" quotes does it take to get one "It's on me" thought from D'Arg - he might be the only person who can get a level of maturity started at the top and get this clown to do the job he was hired for. He was upset team didn't communicate defenses prior to first time out - said they were at other end at that time - hello "coach" - during first half your team is on defense IN FRONT OF YOU! - failure to communicate is a glaring weakness that IS ON HIM - all through his Siena career we have seen our kids totally unprepared to recognize what the opponent is running - always turning back to bench with a blank look saying - "What do we do Coach"? Hints for possible changes in the future: Expand pre-game scouting beyond finding out opponent's arena address and names/numbers of top three players Use your bench to actually run opponent's plays, repeat, rinse, have your starters do the same, repeat, rinse.... Inside out plays work best when the play's three point shooter is in the ready shoot position before receiving the ball If your only game plan is get the ball inside to create 2 pt shots and incur fouls and it's not working, consider changing the plan - that's what halftime is all about... We are, without a doubt, the easiest team to scout and prepare for - just changing starting lineups will not cause opposing coaches to go "Oh shit, we aren't prepared for this - TIMEOUT"! OBTW, we didn't lose last night simply because we couldn't make layups - ask your assistants why, one of them might know - don't waste time watching last night's game tape - get ready for Vermont - lots of calendar space between now and then but not much practice time - consider working on a game plan BEFORE the kids return....
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Post by gorvy on Dec 23, 2016 6:42:08 GMT -5
Until they win one road game I don't see how they could finish higher than 5th.
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Post by scooter23 on Dec 23, 2016 7:21:27 GMT -5
He got it I'm sure. Have you listened to the press conferences? In other words....I maybe thinking WB, Fisher and Sammy are 15 fouls to give on the big guy....... Funny looking back at this... did he really get it? Sadly I'm not sure cause there was absolutely no plan to expose this, the kid shot 1 free throw! That is such bad coaching if you ask me. Can we all remember we're talking about a jackass coach that prides himself on the fact that his team @ Loyola held Steph Curry to 0 points in a game his team lost by 30... doesn't that say something?
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Post by hooligan on Dec 23, 2016 7:28:48 GMT -5
Not sure if my memory is accurate but did someone once post that jimmy rarely has the team practice free throws? If that's accurate he says in his presser that "anyone who knows me knows that I want to get to the foul line".
If my memory is accurate it's another example of bad leadership.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 23, 2016 8:27:31 GMT -5
No but nice try. The point is we are very inconsistent, regressing, lacking in leadership, lacking organization, lacking unity, undisciplined & hardly ever prepared. This team has taken on the personality of its coach. The players on this team either leave, regress or seldom show improvement. In short your boy is a lazy bad coach and needs to go. Didn't like the hire from day 1 and I hate it even more today. I just hope this program can recover from the last 7 years. You're missing the point. I'm not disagreeing with your analysis THIS year, but I want to hear why you think we went so far back in 8 months with basically the same team?? We were fairly successful last year. What went so wrong in that short period of time?? That's the trouble with JP he's the Rex Ryan of hoops. He's a 500 coach (this year sub 500) and has a very long MAAC conference track record to back it up. You win some, you lose some. That's the nature of the 500 guy. One characteristic I use to judge a good coach/team is growth unfortunately with this team all I see is inconsistency and regression. That's a very bad sign. Maybe the high expectations that surrounded this year are causing this team and staff to choke, but even if there is an element of truth to that statement, it's not the entire story. What I can tell you is that this team looks like they really don't enjoy being around each other or at least a few of them don't. As a group they look beaten down. That's chemistry part. The other things I've mentioned bwfore; leadership, discipline, growth, game prep, ingame coaching, regression, organization, all stem from the top. I believe this team has talent, on paper they have one of the strongest starting 5's in the conference. I really believe a better coach could get so much more out of this group. In my circle that's the general consensus anyway. Just my opinion but I strongly feel Siena needs to cut its loses and move on at this juncture. Quickly!
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Post by scooter23 on Dec 23, 2016 8:31:08 GMT -5
Not sure if my memory is accurate but did someone once post that jimmy rarely has the team practice free throws? If that's accurate he says in his presser that "anyone who knows me knows that I want to get to the foul line". If my memory is accurate it's another example of bad leadership. He's referencing getting the ball to the foul line in a players hands as his offensive strategy, not getting to the foul line to shoot free throws. "Get the ball at the foul line, create two's, get them in foul trouble and go from there" was his quote. That worked well Jim.
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