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Post by siena12077 on Dec 23, 2016 13:57:29 GMT -5
Is there anyone besides me that believes that Pastos playing Lavon at the point is a joke? ZERO assists for the game. Wright should go back to the point and Clareth should be starting. Also what is wrong with Smithen? I was hoping he would be more of a contributor than he has been. He was overhyped here by a lot of people who went to practice. Supposed to be an upgrade Over wormley
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 23, 2016 14:01:37 GMT -5
I am a big believer in metrics and performance measures as indicators and by seeing how many new posters we have here that is not a good indicator of the health of the program. People who have never posted are coming out to vent. That's how we just got changebin our country, So So Rex is in big trouble Actually I think it's the other way. The country just elected Patsos on steroids. All mouth, all the answers you want to hear. No truth in it. And soon to be similar results. A whole lot in it for him but nothing for the school or it's fans
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Post by hooligan on Dec 23, 2016 14:10:38 GMT -5
Not sure if my memory is accurate but did someone once post that jimmy rarely has the team practice free throws? If that's accurate he says in his presser that "anyone who knows me knows that I want to get to the foul line". If my memory is accurate it's another example of bad leadership. He's referencing getting the ball to the foul line in a players hands as his offensive strategy, not getting to the foul line to shoot free throws. "Get the ball at the foul line, create two's, get them in foul trouble and go from there" was his quote. That worked well Jim. Ok. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 14:26:17 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything wrong with Smithen. What you see is what you get, I was expecting a lot more from him. Not sure if it's a joke or an intentional distraction. Like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic--"I'm doing something..." As the ship sank the band played on.
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Post by hankla on Dec 23, 2016 16:44:48 GMT -5
As someone who actually went to this game I have some observations. First the gym was not empty. Hofstra fans were vocal. Even though school was out Hofstra kept some of the trappings of big time basketball such as a large kick line/cheer leading squad which frequently performed. Of course they didn't have any dancing coffee cups or ridiculous shooting contests that those who go to Siena home games so love. Nico was the only Siena player whose athleticism matched that of Hofstra's guards and small forwards. At one point Nico hurdled the Siena radio team cleanly landing behind their table. I compared the players' bodies a on both teams. My thought is that Hofstra has a big time training table while the Saints look like they exist on junk food . Hofstra's Lithuanian big man and his sub were both heavily muscled making the Saints big men look very skinny in comparison. A good nutrition and strength training program are hallmarks of a D I program. Marquis picking up two quick grabbing fouls has to stop. The three fouls of a three point shooter might not have made a difference . The way Hofstra was shooting they most likely would have made the shots if they weren't fouled. If I were in charge I would make Nico the team Captain now. A sub player I'll leave nameless was having an ongoing dispute with J P. .In a timeout huddle Nico got in his teammate's face and screamed at him. Criticize J P's recruiting and coaching all you want it's your right , but be truthful and stop making out that his sideline behavior is the same as in year one or at Loyola. Also stop criticizing him for taking team to historical or cultural sites . You must know that you are not allowed to practice a team 24/7 and doing nothing with your free time but listening to your headphones is in no way educational. One amusing incident ; while J O was on the foul line a guy behind me referring to Javion's yellow sneakers yelled out "my sister wants her shoes back". I turned around and said to him "man, your sister has mighty big feet".
Merry Christmas to all and be happy that your biggest problem in life is the poor performance of a basketball team.
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Post by MTS on Dec 23, 2016 16:58:40 GMT -5
I am a big believer in metrics and performance measures as indicators and by seeing how many new posters we have here that is not a good indicator of the health of the program. People who have never posted are coming out to vent. That's how we just got changebin our country, So So Rex is in big trouble Actually I think it's the other way. The country just elected Patsos on steroids. All mouth, all the answers you want to hear. No truth in it. And soon to be similar results. A whole lot in it for him but nothing for the school or it's fans The president-elect has actually accomplished something unlike our HC. OK no more politics.
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Post by mrsiena on Dec 23, 2016 17:24:22 GMT -5
It is tough bc I don't want to give the seats up for when a real coach is hired. I also don't wanna support the recent decisions.... My wife and I have had 4 season tickets for the past 15 years and we always took a couple of kids to the games with us. This year we gave up two of the tickets because the kids grew up and went off to college so we decided to "cherry pick" games and buy the two extra tickets when needed. So far there hasn't been any problem purchasing tickets for the two seats we gave up and because they were kids tickets they only cost me $8/ea (way less than I had been paying for the season tickets). The moral of the story is, don't be afraid to give up your season tickets and "cherry pick" games. No one is flocking to the TUC to purchase Siena season tickets, especially at the prices that are being charged. The seats will be there!!! Merry Christmas
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 23, 2016 17:32:12 GMT -5
Is there anyone besides me that believes that Pastos playing Lavon at the point is a joke? ZERO assists for the game. Wright should go back to the point and Clareth should be starting. Also what is wrong with Smithen? I was hoping he would be more of a contributor than he has been. I think it's ridiculous especially for a senior team like this. We should be tweaking things not overhauling them. I think Lavon looks ridiculous at the point.
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Post by mrsiena on Dec 23, 2016 17:51:09 GMT -5
Go Saints, First off Mihalich's teams have been noted for playing poor defense. In regard to our AD I don't blame him for some of the coaching hires. Lanier-Fr.Toale's pick; Mitch-Players influence due to being on Fran's coattails of success; JP-I believe he lobbied D'Arg before a search committee could be formed. I blame him if, which I believe, he didn't consult knowledgeable basketball people to make a nationwide search for the next coach. And lastly, I blame him for the absence of player alums such as Dinny Cahill, Kevin McGraw, etc., etc. which speaks volumes to me.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 23, 2016 18:43:45 GMT -5
Go Saints, First off Mihalich's teams have been noted for playing poor defense. In regard to our AD I don't blame him for some of the coaching hires. Lanier-Fr.Toale's pick; Mitch-Players influence due to being on Fran's coattails of success; JP-I believe he lobbied D'Arg before a search committee could be formed. I blame him if, which I believe, he didn't consult knowledgeable basketball people to make a nationwide search for the next coach. And lastly, I blame him for the absence of player alums such as Dinny Cahill, Kevin McGraw, etc., etc. which speaks volumes to me. Explains a lot, there should be a predefined procedure/process in place as to how a search and hire should be conducted. You shouldn't do things differently every time there is about to be a vacancy. Explains why we are successful less than half the time.
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Post by Tony on Dec 24, 2016 6:06:27 GMT -5
As someone who actually went to this game I have some observations. First the gym was not empty. Hofstra fans were vocal. Even though school was out Hofstra kept some of the trappings of big time basketball such as a large kick line/cheer leading squad which frequently performed. Of course they didn't have any dancing coffee cups or ridiculous shooting contests that those who go to Siena home games so love. Nico was the only Siena player whose athleticism matched that of Hofstra's guards and small forwards. At one point Nico hurdled the Siena radio team cleanly landing behind their table. I compared the players' bodies a on both teams. My thought is that Hofstra has a big time training table while the Saints look like they exist on junk food . Hofstra's Lithuanian big man and his sub were both heavily muscled making the Saints big men look very skinny in comparison. A good nutrition and strength training program are hallmarks of a D I program. Marquis picking up two quick grabbing fouls has to stop. The three fouls of a three point shooter might not have made a difference . The way Hofstra was shooting they most likely would have made the shots if they weren't fouled. If I were in charge I would make Nico the team Captain now. A sub player I'll leave nameless was having an ongoing dispute with J P. .In a timeout huddle Nico got in his teammate's face and screamed at him. Criticize J P's recruiting and coaching all you want it's your right , but be truthful and stop making out that his sideline behavior is the same as in year one or at Loyola. Also stop criticizing him for taking team to historical or cultural sites . You must know that you are not allowed to practice a team 24/7 and doing nothing with your free time but listening to your headphones is in no way educational. One amusing incident ; while J O was on the foul line a guy behind me referring to Javion's yellow sneakers yelled out "my sister wants her shoes back". I turned around and said to him "man, your sister has mighty big feet". Merry Christmas to all and be happy that your biggest problem in life is the poor performance of a basketball team. A few things, attendance for the game was 1,600- in a 5,000+ seat facility, that’s rather sparse, I could hear they were rather vocal. I agree Hofstra’s was more athletic than us- that’s what happens when most of your recruits have no or only low major offers. Hofstra graduated their top 2 scorers and 3 starters from last year’s team. Mihalic went out and got a dynamite recruiting class with playing time available- lead by the probable CAA ROY Pemebrton- and it’s no surprise, he was a 3 star recruit, with offers from several A10, CAA, MAC and MAAC schools- in other words a top notch mid major recruit. Gustys was a 2.5 star recruit, played at Oak hill, and had several offers from a10, CUSA, CAA and American schools. When you recruit those type players of course you are going to be bigger and more athletic than a school who recruits low major kids, kids with maybe 1 other low major offer and in many cases no other D1 offers. Other than nico the last 3 years recruiting has been a "bust" Next year’s class of Horn (good shooter – one other low major offer) and year and year after that Jake Wojcik – no offers basically replay of Cam Gottfried situation- Jimmy replaying a Loyola favor with Siena scholarship Nothing wrong with under the radar type kids, occasionally you can find a diamond in rough. Sometimes you have a kid like Shivers- love the kids work ethic, plays hard and is a tough sob- surround him with good players and shooters and he could be a valuable role player- a glue type guy. Starting him a team of non-shooters is not a good idea, he isn’t particularly big , fast or athletic, and can’t shoot - that why his offers and interest was limited. Sorry for long winded post- in short there is a reason why Hofstra was bigger faster, more athletic and had better shooters than us. It has nothing to do with training facility. It’s called recruiting- the life blood of any program. The current coach is struggling on recruiting trail- whether it’s his work ethic, other coaches using his behavior against him or combination of both- unless he has a “hook” for a kid ( knows AAU or High school coach)- Jimmy almost never lands a kid- with valid other D 1 mid major offers, we always knew Jimmy was not a John Wooden type when it came to X and o's- he needs to recruit at a high mid major level- and he's not, its not even close. After losing 4 starters off this year team- we are in a world of trouble for next year. So enjoy the 15 to 18 wins this year- next year we will be lucky to win 10 games
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 6:43:38 GMT -5
As someone who actually went to this game I have some observations. First the gym was not empty. Hofstra fans were vocal. Even though school was out Hofstra kept some of the trappings of big time basketball such as a large kick line/cheer leading squad which frequently performed. Of course they didn't have any dancing coffee cups or ridiculous shooting contests that those who go to Siena home games so love. Nico was the only Siena player whose athleticism matched that of Hofstra's guards and small forwards. At one point Nico hurdled the Siena radio team cleanly landing behind their table. I compared the players' bodies a on both teams. My thought is that Hofstra has a big time training table while the Saints look like they exist on junk food . Hofstra's Lithuanian big man and his sub were both heavily muscled making the Saints big men look very skinny in comparison. A good nutrition and strength training program are hallmarks of a D I program. Marquis picking up two quick grabbing fouls has to stop. The three fouls of a three point shooter might not have made a difference . The way Hofstra was shooting they most likely would have made the shots if they weren't fouled. If I were in charge I would make Nico the team Captain now. A sub player I'll leave nameless was having an ongoing dispute with J P. .In a timeout huddle Nico got in his teammate's face and screamed at him. Criticize J P's recruiting and coaching all you want it's your right , but be truthful and stop making out that his sideline behavior is the same as in year one or at Loyola. Also stop criticizing him for taking team to historical or cultural sites . You must know that you are not allowed to practice a team 24/7 and doing nothing with your free time but listening to your headphones is in no way educational. One amusing incident ; while J O was on the foul line a guy behind me referring to Javion's yellow sneakers yelled out "my sister wants her shoes back". I turned around and said to him "man, your sister has mighty big feet". Merry Christmas to all and be happy that your biggest problem in life is the poor performance of a basketball team. A few things, attendance for the game was 1,600- in a 5,000+ seat facility, that’s rather sparse, I could hear they were rather vocal. I agree Hofstra’s was more athletic than us- that’s what happens when most of your recruits have no or only low major offers. Hofstra graduated their top 2 scorers and 3 starters from last year’s team. Mihalic went out and got a dynamite recruiting class with playing time available- lead by the probable CAA ROY Pemebrton- and it’s no surprise, he was a 3 star recruit, with offers from several A10, CAA, MAC and MAAC schools- in other words a top notch mid major recruit. Gustys was a 2.5 star recruit, played at Oak hill, and had several offers from a10, CUSA, CAA and American schools. When you recruit those type players of course you are going to be bigger and more athletic than a school who recruits low major kids, kids with maybe 1 other low major offer and in many cases no other D1 offers. Other than nico the last 3 years recruiting has been a "bust" Next year’s class of Horn (good shooter – one other low major offer) and year and year after that Jake Wojcik – no offers basically replay of Cam Gottfried situation- Jimmy replaying a Loyola favor with Siena scholarship Nothing wrong with under the radar type kids, occasionally you can find a diamond in rough. Sometimes you have a kid like Shivers- love the kids work ethic, plays hard and is a tough sob- surround him with good players and shooters and he could be a valuable role player- a glue type guy. Starting him a team of non-shooters is not a good idea, he isn’t particularly big , fast or athletic, and can’t shoot - that why his offers and interest was limited. Sorry for long winded post- in short there is a reason why Hofstra was bigger faster, more athletic and had better shooters than us. It has nothing to do with training facility. It’s called recruiting- the life blood of any program. The current coach is struggling on recruiting trail- whether it’s his work ethic, other coaches using his behavior against him or combination of both- unless he has a “hook” for a kid ( knows AAU or High school coach)- Jimmy almost never lands a kid- with valid other D 1 mid major offers, we always knew Jimmy was not a John Wooden type when it came to X and o's- he needs to recruit at a high mid major level- and he's not, its not even close. After losing 4 starters off this year team- we are in a world of trouble for next year. So enjoy the 15 to 18 wins this year- next year we will be lucky to win 10 games Bravo Tony, Bravo!
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Post by mjs72 on Dec 24, 2016 6:51:01 GMT -5
Tony, with his future on the line,and its impact on the next 2-3 years,can we really think that JP mailed in the recruiting effort this summer? Does he lack HS and/or AAU contacts after all these years in the game? Maybe a lot of the blame rests of Manning, Watson and the departed Jordan. Or are we way off the radar to MM kids now. Have to think there is a reason they offered Horn rather than wait to see how the spring recruiting effort panned out.
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Post by Tony on Dec 24, 2016 7:38:05 GMT -5
Tony, with his future on the line,and its impact on the next 2-3 years,can we really think that JP mailed in the recruiting effort this summer? Does he lack HS and/or AAU contacts after all these years in the game? Maybe a lot of the blame rests of Manning, Watson and the departed Jordan. Or are we way off the radar to MM kids now. Have to think there is a reason they offered Horn rather than wait to see how the spring recruiting effort panned out. MJS72- that is million dollar question- why isn’t Jimmy recruiting better? When you have playing time available, a good mid major with a history of winning, one of larger mid major fan base, play in pro arena, media interest, 12 million dollar practice facility, it's a head scratcher why he can't recruit. Some will say he is lazy recruiter, would rather spend spring time in Paris, attend triple crown races, Cal Ripken luncheon rather than spend time recruiting. Every other Siena coach I can remember I would see at local high school games- how many times have you seen Jimmy or his staff at local High school games, we use to see kids at practices, scrimmages and even games. Jimmy seldom has kids in, some coaches get tired of kissing the a$$ of high school players or dealing with sometimes (not always) slimy AAU coaches. Other people say coaches are using his sometimes bizarre (yelling and screaming) not even watching game behavior against him. Whatever the reason – bottom line he isn’t landing them. Just this past fall with playing time available he swung and missed on 3 of his primary targets, one a football player – might play college football- ok I’ll give him a pass- another kid, solid player not a top notch recruit- in fact Albany didn’t think he was good enough for Albany, but anyway we have him in for official visit - Vermont gets involved late and he signs with AE team. Another PG we bring in on official visit – again same thing another program gets in and he chooses Chattanooga. In both cases primary target choose a school from lower rated conference. Both of these kids were solid mid major recruits- not top of the line, but solid and Jimmy couldn’t land him- won’t get into Anthony Lamb last year, who Jimmy also lost to Vermont- he will probably end us beating us next week..LOL.. In short I don’t know reason, other than to say this coach is a bull shitter and cant recruit at level Siena wants. I think at Loyola he also recruited that way- but Baltimore /Washington area produces several D1 athletes every year and Jimmy got his share of them that didn’t work out at higher level and wanted to come home- here at Siena it doesn’t work that way- you have to get recruits the ole fashioned way- and Jimmy’s social life and behavior seems to be getting in the way. All I know is any coach at Siena that consistently swings and misses on primary recruits, give scholarships away as favors to friends and recruits a majority of kids with little to no other D1 offers- isn’t going to last at Siena, and I think that’s the dilemma Jimmy now faces. Only so long you can bullshit fans, blame asst coaches etc- recruiting eventually falls on head coach. No question Jimmy isnt getting it done
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Post by greenblood on Dec 24, 2016 8:06:13 GMT -5
The Baltimore pipeline is drying up, and the reasons for that should be evident to anyone with eyes and ears.
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