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Post by indian82 on Dec 24, 2016 9:49:21 GMT -5
Papi, it is a lot more than the posters on this board. I ran into a local politician yesterday who is a big fan and never misses a game. His comments were as negative as any on this board. And he used the same words that have been posted by some of Jimmy's strongest detractors. In light of his glowing praise in most past years, I was taken aback. The Pete Iorizzo column in the Times Union on Jimmy's lack of leadership a week or so back was telling on how that media source sees the program at present. And I was at All-Star Wine yesterday. Nothing specific, but that big donor is not happy with the results.
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Post by olddave on Dec 24, 2016 9:51:25 GMT -5
In regards to a coaching change; If the consensus states the current coach is middle of the road, the chance for things to get better would be about equal as they are to end up worse. I stand by my no vote for immediate dismissal for the reason I previously stated, but agree that things need to be evaluated at the end of the season. However, I would add the program as whole needs to be evaluated not just the coach. The process used to hire coaches, contract terms and the overall up and down of the program I find disturbing. Simply firing the coach is not a solution. Absolutely correct, start at the top. No AD, no search committee made up of the old boys club, use a consulting firm. Obvious as hell the methodology isn't working.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 24, 2016 9:52:01 GMT -5
25 unhappy fans isn't getting the coach fired. There's at least 20 games left to be played. This poll will look silly if Siena figures it out and finishes top 3 and wins the maac tournament. Papi I hope your right that Siena will will sweep Canisius. Highly doubtful, esp. with the way the Saints are playing and coached. Stop trying to stir the pot and give specifics, your as bad as th24. You probably thought Henny Youngman was 'King of the One-liners'. Henny is gone and there's a new king on the Siena board.
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Post by Papi on Dec 24, 2016 10:09:13 GMT -5
Papi, it is a lot more than the posters on this board. I ran into a local politician yesterday who is a big fan and never misses a game. His comments were as negative as any on this board. And he used the same words that have been posted by some of Jimmy's strongest detractors. In light of his glowing praise in most past years, I was taken aback. The Pete Iorizzo column in the Times Union on Jimmy's lack of leadership a week or so back was telling on how that media source sees the program at present. I understand, this team was picked to have success based on what? The senior class hasn't really accomplished much winning, they've but so so at best. They've been in most games and if they get some more shots to fall the record is probably around where most expected. I personally wasn't sold on this group, if people want to blame the coach that's fine when losses happen its part of the business. The Hofstra game was a stinker, bad time for a stinker with this fan base. I just think too much was expected from the start with this team. The move of playing Lavon at the point has me questioning the coach, that's the only negative I see so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 10:32:48 GMT -5
Papi, it is a lot more than the posters on this board. I ran into a local politician yesterday who is a big fan and never misses a game. His comments were as negative as any on this board. And he used the same words that have been posted by some of Jimmy's strongest detractors. In light of his glowing praise in most past years, I was taken aback. The Pete Iorizzo column in the Times Union on Jimmy's lack of leadership a week or so back was telling on how that media source sees the program at present. I understand, this team was picked to have success based on what? The senior class hasn't really accomplished much winning, they've but so so at best. They've been in most games and if they get some more shots to fall the record is probably around where most expected. I personally wasn't sold on this group, if people want to blame the coach that's fine when losses happen its part of the business. The Hofstra game was a stinker, bad time for a stinker with this fan base. I just think too much was expected from the start with this team. The move of playing Lavon at the point has me questioning the coach, that's the only negative I see so far. If you don't think this is on the coach you're kidding yourself. Who assembled this group of players and chose the staff? Who decides what's necessary day in and day out to put a competitive team on the floor? Who is in CHARGE? Jimmy Patsos, period.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 24, 2016 16:26:22 GMT -5
Agreed that he will at least get the end of this season to figure it out and thought he would get next season too based on past history. Now, I am not so sure. Either scenario is not good, and the likelihood of the best case scenario ( maac championship, nit runs etc) seems highly unlikely at this point.
The browns won today, maybe there is hope?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:43:19 GMT -5
In regards to a coaching change; If the consensus states the current coach is middle of the road, the chance for things to get better would be about equal as they are to end up worse. I stand by my no vote for immediate dismissal for the reason I previously stated, but agree that things need to be evaluated at the end of the season. However, I would add the program as whole needs to be evaluated not just the coach. The process used to hire coaches, contract terms and the overall up and down of the program I find disturbing. Simply firing the coach is not a solution. Absolutely correct, start at the top. No AD, no search committee made up of the old boys club, use a consulting firm. Obvious as hell the methodology isn't working. Dave, we absolutely, without a doubt, 100% know where you stand. 100%
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Post by indian82 on Dec 24, 2016 16:48:09 GMT -5
Papi, it is a lot more than the posters on this board. I ran into a local politician yesterday who is a big fan and never misses a game. His comments were as negative as any on this board. And he used the same words that have been posted by some of Jimmy's strongest detractors. In light of his glowing praise in most past years, I was taken aback. The Pete Iorizzo column in the Times Union on Jimmy's lack of leadership a week or so back was telling on how that media source sees the program at present. I understand, t his team was picked to have success based on what? The senior class hasn't really accomplished much winning, they've but so so at best. They've been in most games and if they get some more shots to fall the record is probably around where most expected. I personally wasn't sold on this group, if people want to blame the coach that's fine when losses happen its part of the business. The Hofstra game was a stinker, bad time for a stinker with this fan base. I just think too much was expected from the start with this team.
The move of playing Lavon at the point has me questioning the coach, that's the only negative I see so far. Then you tell us what your 21-22 win prediction was based on? Ha ha - This fan base!! That was a bad time for a stinker for any fan base when you haven't won ONE game on the road and are several games under .500. Excuse me miss, but your true colors are showing! And when would you think we can expect much from this team?
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 24, 2016 18:06:07 GMT -5
Papi, it is a lot more than the posters on this board. I ran into a local politician yesterday who is a big fan and never misses a game. His comments were as negative as any on this board. And he used the same words that have been posted by some of Jimmy's strongest detractors. In light of his glowing praise in most past years, I was taken aback. The Pete Iorizzo column in the Times Union on Jimmy's lack of leadership a week or so back was telling on how that media source sees the program at present. I understand, this team was picked to have success based on what? The senior class hasn't really accomplished much winning, they've but so so at best. They've been in most games and if they get some more shots to fall the record is probably around where most expected. I personally wasn't sold on this group, if people want to blame the coach that's fine when losses happen its part of the business. The Hofstra game was a stinker, bad time for a stinker with this fan base. I just think too much was expected from the start with this team. The move of playing Lavon at the point has me questioning the coach, that's the only negative I see so far. 4 1k point scorers (which nobody in the country has) and one of the best sophomores in the MAAC 4 - 8 and 0 - 8 on the road is a joke and severely underachieving .
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Post by Papi on Dec 25, 2016 0:19:35 GMT -5
What has this group of 1k scorers accomplished? What's their record as a group? They have logged minutes and points, and don't forget that cbi championship. They have 20 games left, so so or will they step it up?
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 27, 2016 14:39:23 GMT -5
One Rex down, one to go.....
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 7, 2017 23:21:11 GMT -5
We'll, its official. The 26 fans have decided that Jimmy should be fired. 26 out of 400 on this board, that's not even a 1% minority.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:39:31 GMT -5
We'll, its official. The 26 fans have decided that Jimmy should be fired. 26 out of 400 on this board, that's not even a 1% minority. So in your "glass is overflowing" world, extant after a good win last night, you are extrapolating the statistics you presented as having 374 votes of confidence from this board (I wonder what the number of active posters is - i.e., how many of the 400 post at all?)
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 8, 2017 9:57:39 GMT -5
We'll, its official. The 26 fans have decided that Jimmy should be fired. 26 out of 400 on this board, that's not even a 1% minority. So in your "glass is overflowing" world, extant after a good win last night, you are extrapolating the statistics you presented as having 374 votes of confidence from this board (I wonder what the number of active posters is - i.e., how many of the 400 post at all?) One W against a team that couldn't throw the ball in the ocean in the second half, a coach who should not have had Brett in the game with 4 fouls and the lead and not to mention that we also tried to give the game away at the end. Yeah we got a much needed win but there's a ton of work to do to get this team up to speed. At least one poster is all giddy. I also might add that (at the UVM game) for the first time in a long time that I heard boo's, fans calling out the coach and watched people walk out of a game with six minutes left. Not exactly a vote of confidence. So I look at this board as kind of a barometer of sorts.....so it's more than a handful of posters!
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Post by billmurray on Jan 8, 2017 10:35:47 GMT -5
A win against a team that is a quality MAAC team with a win against Monmouth is by definition a good win. Not pretty and still much work to be done, but I'll take the W and look for continued improvement.
As to the firing issue, the 27 are a given, I'm sure there are many more who would agree, but fiscally I don't think it is doable so I'm in the lets hope for the best going forward on the court this year and on the recruiting trail because I don't see any changes happening this year or next.
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