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Post by hankla on Dec 17, 2016 22:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by nolesaint on Dec 18, 2016 4:32:49 GMT -5
Rather than attack a messenger maybe you could take an active interest and do a little digging of your own. Trust me it's not well hidden you just have to be willing to look, ask, listen. Sorry - if you think that it's so easy to do a 'little digging' with such a vague message you are mistaken. I have no 'in' at the school. What should I google 'Siena molestation', 'Siena corruption'? Can you give us a key word here? We've got nothing. So are you saying that when among people with a common interest, who at the end of the day all want the best for the program, someone can't clue you in to an issue if they aren't willing to give you every detail you desire? Further, when they do, you can't take just a couple seconds to think for yourself about what you've seen and heard on the board, from friends, etc about this guy and some of his assistants over the last few years? So you're model is to blow up the messenger and immediately go to things like Sandusky. You must be a great negotiator especially when the answers have been staring you in the face for years. SoSo is a horrible role model for these young men and a cancer at the school. I'll grant you he takes them on great field trips but IMO most of what he does exemplifies how not to live your life and has a direct bearing on what we're seeing on the floor.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 23, 2016 15:22:51 GMT -5
Just curious anyone of the 14 Rex "No" votes care to change their vote after last nights stellar coaching job?
Also for the 14 saying Rex deserves more time. Why?
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Post by sky on Dec 23, 2016 15:56:19 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be antagonistic...could those that think Jimmy should stay give a reason for their decision...those that think he should go have laid out a long list of basketball related reasons but what I have heard from those that support Jimmy has been mostly emotional with minimal exception...I admit from day one I was not in favor of his hire but I also stated several times on this board that I hope I'm wrong..so please..in basketball related terms...please tell me why you support Jimmy...
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Post by mjs72 on Dec 24, 2016 5:54:34 GMT -5
Sky, I don't support him but there are reasons you could argue: (1) Two 20 win seasons sandwiched around an injury plagued one; (2) His buyout whatever it is. Unlike a high major football program, not likely any of our boosters, or the Trustees, are going to want to pay it and the school is otherwise unable to eat two years of his contract; (3) Suspensions of LL and Nico are annoying but far from a scandal driven story and the kids are graduating with no public off the court embarrassments. Also not all of the blame or fix for poor chemistry can be placed on the staff who can do only so much; (4) TUC attendance hasn't cratered (yet); (5) Jimmy being Jimmy is what they knew they'd get going in. And for those concerned about his alleged night life,no scandal or public embarrassments( yet). PS: D'Arg also lived through the "Deaner" years and there was some partying going on after a win. and, ta da!!!!!, (6) the Under Armor money is sure nice for a school to have. (7)-(10) See number 6. (11) Not wanting to start over yet again and uncertainty if said expectations and the diminished brand might result in a weak and untested candidate pool.
Don't kill the messenger!
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Post by Tony on Dec 24, 2016 6:18:50 GMT -5
Just curious anyone of the 14 Rex "No" votes care to change their vote after last nights stellar coaching job? Also for the 14 saying Rex deserves more time. Why? I said no and stand by that- I'm no fan of Jimmy, but you don’t fire a college coach mid-season unless you have misconduct or some other very serious charge. That’s why I said it’s something we can revisit in late February early March. Not even sure if Siena is willing and or able to eat the remainder of his contract. I do know with poor recruiting we are looking at horrible season next year, and maybe that's what it will take to get rid of him. I fully expect attendance to crater big time next season. It stinks that's the way it is, but Siena is a small college, not a pro franchise. Of course always a chance Jimmy will leave at end of season ( knowing he will be fired next year) or perhaps Siena can work something out on buyout- but again that something to revisit after the season. Barring major misconduct, it’s silly to be talking about firing a college coach in December. Just not going to happen
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Post by sky on Dec 24, 2016 6:31:44 GMT -5
Mjs72....I agree with the items you posted and I apologize for not being clearer in my query...I was referring to things such as game substitutions...lack of game plan...poor in game management...actual things that are part of the game...unfortunately, even though we have some very knowledgeable and articulate posters, we do not know what happens behind closed doors...you mentioned under armour...it could be them or any other big money source that is "firmly" backing Jimmy that provides Patsos with the "what..me worry" attitude...I think the key word is choice and Jimmy has chosen not to do his job.....maybe he needs a 3 game suspension.
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Post by sky on Dec 24, 2016 6:38:08 GMT -5
Just curious anyone of the 14 Rex "No" votes care to change their vote after last nights stellar coaching job? Also for the 14 saying Rex deserves more time. Why? I said no and stand by that- I'm no fan of Jimmy, but you don’t fire a college coach mid-season unless you have misconduct or some other very serious charge. That’s why I said it’s something we can revisit in late February early March. Not even sure if Siena is willing and or able to eat the remainder of his contract. I do know with poor recruiting we are looking at horrible season next year, and maybe that's what it will take to get rid of him. I fully expect attendance to crater big time next season. It stinks that's the way it is, but Siena is a small college, not a pro franchise. Of course always a chance Jimmy will leave at end of season ( knowing he will be fired next year) or perhaps Siena can work something out on buyout- but again that something to revisit after the season. Barring major misconduct, it’s silly to be talking about firing a college coach in December. Just not going to happen Tony...I'm not sure the question was should JP be fired immediately...I would be againt that myself...but should he go...yes
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Post by greenblood on Dec 24, 2016 8:16:46 GMT -5
I agree on the question not being immediately. But, like the we heard on all the transfers and coaching changes...it isnt the right fit for him. And Yes, the protection of the Underecruiting Armour $$$$ is big in the equation. But that has nothing to do with Ali and we're not moving in the right direction on that front either, so....
Right now Siena is the third best program in Albany. The other two are on opposite ends of Western Avenue.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 24, 2016 8:58:58 GMT -5
Just curious anyone of the 14 Rex "No" votes care to change their vote after last nights stellar coaching job? Also for the 14 saying Rex deserves more time. Why? I said no and stand by that- I'm no fan of Jimmy, but you don’t fire a college coach mid-season unless you have misconduct or some other very serious charge. That’s why I said it’s something we can revisit in late February early March. Not even sure if Siena is willing and or able to eat the remainder of his contract. I do know with poor recruiting we are looking at horrible season next year, and maybe that's what it will take to get rid of him. I fully expect attendance to crater big time next season. It stinks that's the way it is, but Siena is a small college, not a pro franchise. Of course always a chance Jimmy will leave at end of season ( knowing he will be fired next year) or perhaps Siena can work something out on buyout- but again that something to revisit after the season. Barring major misconduct, it’s silly to be talking about firing a college coach in December. Just not going to happen Sorry wasn't clear, I don't think Rex should be fired mid-season, however at the seasons end I feel we should be letting him go. Time to move in another direction. Rex is what he is - mediocre at best. It's never going to change.
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Post by Papi on Dec 24, 2016 9:31:46 GMT -5
25 unhappy fans isn't getting the coach fired. There's at least 20 games left to be played. This poll will look silly if Siena figures it out and finishes top 3 and wins the maac tournament.
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Post by mjs72 on Dec 24, 2016 9:43:05 GMT -5
Papi, it is a lot more than the posters on this board. I ran into a local politician yesterday who is a big fan and never misses a game. His comments were as negative as any on this board. And he used the same words that have been posted by some of Jimmy's strongest detractors. In light of his glowing praise in most past years, I was taken aback. The Pete Iorizzo column in the Times Union on Jimmy's lack of leadership a week or so back was telling on how that media source sees the program at present.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 24, 2016 9:47:58 GMT -5
25 unhappy fans isn't getting the coach fired. There's at least 20 games left to be played. This poll will look silly if Siena figures it out and finishes top 3 and wins the maac tournament. We never would have guessed 25 message board posters could not get a coach fired. I certainly hope we can turn it around and have always said evaluate at the end of the season. I also rarely participate in these kinds of polls. All I am saying is that I have seen little evidence to believe this coach can lead the 12-13 guys he recruits, signs and coaches to consistent successful results over the course of their careers and also represent my school as maybe its most visible employee in a manner I think a coach should - again in a consistent manner. (The most offensive comment is the one that he laments that his career is dependent on 18-22 year old kids. I believe that is part of the job description. Every other coach does it as well. I do not want to hear that excuse/pity-party.)
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Post by marshotel on Dec 24, 2016 9:48:44 GMT -5
In regards to a coaching change; If the consensus states the current coach is middle of the road, the chance for things to get better would be about equal as they are to end up worse.
I stand by my no vote for immediate dismissal for the reason I previously stated, but agree that things need to be evaluated at the end of the season.
However, I would add the program as whole needs to be evaluated not just the coach. The process used to hire coaches, contract terms and the overall up and down of the program I find disturbing. Simply firing the coach is not a solution.
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Post by olddave on Dec 24, 2016 9:49:14 GMT -5
25 unhappy fans isn't getting the coach fired. There's at least 20 games left to be played. This poll will look silly if Siena figures it out and finishes top 3 and wins the maac tournament. Papi I hope your right that Siena will will sweep Canisius. Highly doubtful, esp. with the way the Saints are playing and coached. Stop trying to stir the pot and give specifics, your as bad as th24.
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