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Post by olddave on Dec 11, 2016 16:44:26 GMT -5
It's simple - put some of the accounting people to work analyzing which is likely to cost Siena more a buyout this year or the loss of revenue next year and for a year or so after if they keep Jimmy through the end of next year. Also, Patsos should seriously, and I mean seriously, look at moving on at the end of this year so that he can do so on his own terms rather than as a recently fired MM, or ugh it pains me to say - LM head coach. God forbid the school uses resources available, yes a liberal arts school known for it's business school. Your right on, change in management much needed.
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Post by MTS on Dec 12, 2016 13:33:10 GMT -5
To be fair Fran basically had the same resume when Siena hired him. His nickname was even .500 Fran. The difference was Fran up his game when he got to Siena. Jimmy has coached/recruited/scheduled etc the same exact way he did at Loyola. What you get are the same results. I honestly don't know if Jimmy really got what the Siena job is. Maybe he thought it was just another MAAC job like Loyola. I think he just wanted to stay in the MAAC since Loyola went to the Patriot league. Siena did not want to take a risk coming off the Mitch disaster so they went with the safe call. Also a coach with a personality after Mitch's non-personality. The problem is when you not winning Jimmy's act starts to become very annoying. He's basically Rex Ryan. No Fran took two different programs to the NCAA tournament, and did it within several years of hire. Look at their career records before coming to Siena basically the same. Rob Lanier took a team to the NCAA tournament in his first year. That is kind of cherry picking, no?
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Post by saints22 on Dec 12, 2016 13:38:58 GMT -5
Sorry you are so wrong. I watched this on fold with my own eyes when we played at Loyola prior to Mitch getting fired. While having dinner at the MAAC tourney that year with ano influential donor it was confirmed PRIOR TO THE Tournament tip off that JP would be the next HC of the Saints. Finally you might want to enlighten yourself that the media only reports whatever bullshit is being flung outside of the locker room. If they actually had the ability to report truth we wouldn't be force fed a story about suspensions over parking violations. The only place I recall seeing any reference to "suspensions over parking violations" is on this board. Have no idea where that came from. Pretty sure the only statements from the school have referred to violations of Athletics Department rules. So not sure how we are being "force fed" a story about parking violations.
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Post by th24 on Dec 12, 2016 13:45:18 GMT -5
This is why people should not believe half the crap from this board.Half of it is BS and hateful rhetoric!
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Post by gorvy on Dec 12, 2016 15:13:36 GMT -5
No Fran took two different programs to the NCAA tournament, and did it within several years of hire. Look at their career records before coming to Siena basically the same. Rob Lanier took a team to the NCAA tournament in his first year. That is kind of cherry picking, no? Not at all. Prior to Siena st. Fran took two different programs within three years of hire to the NCAA tournament,at places without a history of making it. That is why I was in favor of the hire. The risk was whether or not he could do the same thing at a higher level. Meanwhile, patsos had already proven that he couldn't win at our level. It was so simple of a concept, at least to me and a few others. At Siena it's about winning championships. If you can't do that you won't last long, regardless of record. Lanier was an assistant, that was a different animal. As such, my only issue with him was his defensive style of play, one that led to his downfall. And the championship he won was after a miserable year. Again, our goal is not the 16 seed.
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Post by hankla on Dec 12, 2016 15:31:40 GMT -5
Don't you mean Lanier's style of offense with constantly backing up point guard Mark Price?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 12, 2016 16:05:51 GMT -5
Look at their career records before coming to Siena basically the same. Rob Lanier took a team to the NCAA tournament in his first year. That is kind of cherry picking, no? Again, our goal is not the 16 seed. So if we win the MAAC tourney, and got a 16 seed, that would be unacceptable to you?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 12, 2016 16:10:09 GMT -5
Sorry you are so wrong. I watched this on fold with my own eyes when we played at Loyola prior to Mitch getting fired. While having dinner at the MAAC tourney that year with ano influential donor it was confirmed PRIOR TO THE Tournament tip off that JP would be the next HC of the Saints. Finally you might want to enlighten yourself that the media only reports whatever bullshit is being flung outside of the locker room. If they actually had the ability to report truth we wouldn't be force fed a story about suspensions over parking violations. So you're saying that no other candidates were interviewed at the Final Four, or anywhere else, as reported? You're saying Jimmy was hired in February?? wow....thats a scoop.
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Post by knicksaint on Dec 12, 2016 16:19:00 GMT -5
Unless this team has an epiphany and goes 17-4 or 18-3 to finish the regular season at 2011 or 21-10 with a second or third place finish in the MAAC, it has no chance of a seed higher than 15 if it wins the MAAC Tournament. Many people, myself included, thought this team would do better than 20 or 21 wins. I think a 16 seed, while not "unacceptable," would be a significant disappointment. However, it could save Jimmy unless the regular season continues as it has started and the 2016-17 team does what Dwayne and Prosper did in 2001-02. If we are under .500 and run the table the first weekend in March, it may not be enough to keep him employed.
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Post by MTS on Dec 12, 2016 16:25:23 GMT -5
Unless this team has an epiphany and goes 17-4 or 18-3 to finish the regular season at 2011 or 21-10 with a second or third place finish in the MAAC, it has no chance of a seed higher than 15 if it wins the MAAC Tournament. Many people, myself included, thought this team would do better than 20 or 21 wins. I think a 16 seed, while not "unacceptable," would be a significant disappointment. However, it could save Jimmy unless the regular season continues as it has started and the 2016-17 team does what Dwayne and Prosper did in 2001-02. If we are under .500 and run the table the first weekend in March, it may not be enough to keep him employed. Wow. KnickSaint is a very knowledgeable poster so that last part is very telling. Safe to say if Siena is around .500 with no postseason Jimmy could indeed be in trouble. I've always thought he was safe no matter what for another year. That does not look to by the case. Nobody is sure what the buyout is but it appears not to be prohibitive. People should ignore the contract extensions if they have no "teeth" they really don't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 16:43:03 GMT -5
It is strange that so many speculate about what "the buyout" may be while consistently disregarding the impact of the apparent sellout of the fan base by retaining a totally ineffective sub-mediocre head (and he is a head case) "coach"! Aside from HJ and Jumbo, not many folks are saying good things about our Program - all I hear is "What's wrong over there - you guys used to play good enjoyable hoop - now it's unwatchable"! I kid you not.
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Post by MTS on Dec 12, 2016 17:06:56 GMT -5
It is strange that so many speculate about what "the buyout" may be while consistently disregarding the impact of the apparent sellout of the fan base by retaining a totally ineffective sub-mediocre head (and he is a head case) "coach"! Aside from HJ and Jumbo, not many folks are saying good things about our Program - all I hear is "What's wrong over there - you guys used to play good enjoyable hoop - now it's unwatchable"! I kid you not. I don't disagree... it's hard to see Siena canning Jimmy is they win say 17 or 18 games this year. Four years without a major postseason tournament would be enough for me to make a change but who knows what Siena is thinking. Every time they've fired a coach (Beyer, Lanier, Mitch) it has been an easy decision - single digit win season. I don't want to see it get that ugly again. I think we can all agree barring a minor miracle Jimmy likely will be out after the 2017-2018 season. Beyer - 3 years 22-59 Lanier - 4 years 58-70 (NCAA, NIT) Buonaguro - 3 years 35-59 Every coach that got fired at Siena did so before getting a fifth year. Of course non of those coaches had to rebuild after replacing a fired coach. All of their predecessors had left them strong to very strong programs. While Patsos took over a disaster. If Siena goes, let's say, 18-15 with no postseason this year he'll be 70-66 at 4 years at and thus tough to fire. But it probably only delays the inevitable which would be N tournament or bust in 17-18 and if he couldn't get there with this roster hard to believe he would get there next year after graduating four seniors.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 12, 2016 17:34:19 GMT -5
It is strange that so many speculate about what "the buyout" may be while consistently disregarding the impact of the apparent sellout of the fan base by retaining a totally ineffective sub-mediocre head (and he is a head case) "coach"! Aside from HJ and Jumbo, not many folks are saying good things about our Program - all I hear is "What's wrong over there - you guys used to play good enjoyable hoop - now it's unwatchable"! I kid you not. Where did you see me say anything good about our program? Put all the quotes on this page.
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Post by olddave on Dec 12, 2016 17:35:52 GMT -5
It is strange that so many speculate about what "the buyout" may be while consistently disregarding the impact of the apparent sellout of the fan base by retaining a totally ineffective sub-mediocre head (and he is a head case) "coach"! Aside from HJ and Jumbo, not many folks are saying good things about our Program - all I hear is "What's wrong over there - you guys used to play good enjoyable hoop - now it's unwatchable"! I kid you not. Quite right, school is killing the proverbial golden goose. Management of the school by the administration has been highly suspect, change is never forth coming. Old saying of not being able to see the forest through the trees applies here. To many want to remain in the past. Hopefully the light comes on and we have a change in leadership coach on up.
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