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Post by $cott on Dec 12, 2016 14:53:21 GMT -5
When you have four 1,000 point scorers on your roster the idea of making the Sweet 16 is hardly farfetched, much closer to the odds of hitting a trifecta than to winning the lottery.
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Post by MTS on Dec 12, 2016 15:00:01 GMT -5
When you have four 1,000 point scorers on your roster the idea of making the Sweet 16 is hardly farfetched, much closer to the odds of hitting a trifecta than to winning the lottery. Exactly. Plus if you add in Nico it's 5 1,000 point scorers plus Wright who's in the top 5 in assists and Bisping a potential 1,000 and 1,000 guy. I never thought this was a sweet 16 team but I thought it was a team capable of having a big season and getting to the NCAA with a 12/13 seed and that at least gives you a chance depending on match-ups to make a run. The team has enough talented and experience to do that. However that ship has sailed the team can still certainly win the league but bombing in the non-conference probably means a 14 or 15 seed at best barring losing only 3-4 more games. The talent is there...the chemistry and coaching are very problematic.
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Post by nolesaint on Dec 12, 2016 16:29:43 GMT -5
Really and you've seen a dramatic change from Loyola's performances vs Siena's under Patsos. A leopard doesn't change his spots. Hell I could make an arguement that he had performed better at Loyola than he has at Siena. After 12 + years, you are what you are...... Please stop with the Fran BS. At least Fran took 2 different teams to the NCAA prior to Siena and turned out to be arguably one of the most successful Siena coaches on record. Phew, when it comes to JP you're near schizophrenic. Get off the fence and take a stand one way or the other. I'm just saying basically Jimmy's Loyola record isn't relevant - he simply hasn't changed/upped his game at Siena. Nobody wins big at Loyola or at UNCG. Fran's nickname was .500 Fran. The difference is Fran took advantaged of what Siena can become - Jimmy has not. But to use JP's past record at Loyola as to why he is struggling at Siena I don't buy it. I have taken a stand - I'm ready to move on. Actually his record at LLLLLLLLoyola is totally relevant. Sure he had to compete in a big recruiting pond and there wasn't much school support, in fact there were school admission barriers. But he also found himself in a FANTASTIC hotbed of talent, he is soo connected throughout the basketball and sports world, he was in the MAAC for years at LLLLLLLLLLLoyola yet he couldn't figure out how to win. Don't kid yourself - it is relevant.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 12, 2016 16:50:12 GMT -5
I'm just saying basically Jimmy's Loyola record isn't relevant - he simply hasn't changed/upped his game at Siena. Nobody wins big at Loyola or at UNCG. Fran's nickname was .500 Fran. The difference is Fran took advantaged of what Siena can become - Jimmy has not. But to use JP's past record at Loyola as to why he is struggling at Siena I don't buy it. I have taken a stand - I'm ready to move on. Actually his record at LLLLLLLLoyola is totally relevant. Sure he had to compete in a big recruiting pond and there wasn't much school support, in fact there were school admission barriers. But he also found himself in a FANTASTIC hotbed of talent, he is soo connected throughout the basketball and sports world, he was in the MAAC for years at LLLLLLLLLLLoyola yet he couldn't figure out how to win. Don't kid yourself - it is relevant. Bingo, Patsos is what he is and he's got almost 13 seasons of MAAC play to back it up. To disagree and think Loyola was irrelevant is utter lunacy. Mike is the ultimate fence sitter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 17:45:24 GMT -5
Actually his record at LLLLLLLLoyola is totally relevant. Sure he had to compete in a big recruiting pond and there wasn't much school support, in fact there were school admission barriers. But he also found himself in a FANTASTIC hotbed of talent, he is soo connected throughout the basketball and sports world, he was in the MAAC for years at LLLLLLLLLLLoyola yet he couldn't figure out how to win. Don't kid yourself - it is relevant. Bingo, Patsos is what he is and he's got almost 13 seasons of MAAC play to back it up. To disagree and think Loyola was irrelevant is utter lunacy. Mike is the ultimate fence sitter. That would be the ultimate and painful wedgie.....ouch 😅
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 7, 2017 23:06:50 GMT -5
I'm still here, just not reading the board that much. Yes, I got tired of reading the board, especially after losses. The games, even the losses, don't seem as bad it you don't read the board afterward (from my perspective anyway). I just stick to what I can do to help out the team and cheer them on. If I knew how to help/fix things, I'd try and talk with the coach/coaching staff, AD, President, Board of Dirs. Some posters actually have good/reasonable ideas that could help; just think they need to talk to the right people who can implement their suggestions (like help Jimmy coach, scout other teams, recruit, etc. better; help D'Arg find the next coach; help the President/Board of Dirs find the next AD; etc.). I'm sure they'd be appreciative since we all want the program to not only succeed but to be great. I can't help with any of those (outside of my area of expertise) so I'll just stick to what I can do to help, and that's continue to support the coaches, team, admin, program. All the people you mentioned at Siena are well compensated to do their jobs. If they need us to tell them how to do their jobs then why do we need them? Was just thinking that if fans really cared about the "program" and "they knew what was wrong and knew how to fix it" that they should help Siena fix the problem. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:47:46 GMT -5
All the people you mentioned at Siena are well compensated to do their jobs. If they need us to tell them how to do their jobs then why do we need them? Was just thinking that if fans really cared about the "program" and "they knew what was wrong and knew how to fix it" that they should help Siena fix the problem. That's all. What makes you think that isn't the case here - many of us have "communicated" with folks at Siena that have various levels of influence with the basketball program. Just because it's not posted or published doesn't mean it isn't happening....the care for the program is actually the driver that prompts those contacts. "Communications" take many forms - letters, emails, phone calls and drop offs in financial support....
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 8, 2017 6:53:09 GMT -5
All the people you mentioned at Siena are well compensated to do their jobs. If they need us to tell them how to do their jobs then why do we need them? Was just thinking that if fans really cared about the "program" and "they knew what was wrong and knew how to fix it" that they should help Siena fix the problem. That's all. You have an inflated understanding as to your importance. "Your money is the ONLY thing of import...keep your opinions on how the program should be run to yourself"
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Post by olddave on Jan 8, 2017 10:35:08 GMT -5
MP and SaintsFan hit the nail on the head. Comes down to money. When the school starts to loose money from lack of fan attendance things will change. When they call and ask for your donation tell them to F off and give them the reason. When the big donors tell them the same then you will really see a fast change. It is obvious over the last 8 years the power laden egotistical admin in charge are lacking any common business sense. This applies to the whole school just not the athletic program
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 9, 2017 22:34:29 GMT -5
Was just thinking that if fans really cared about the "program" and "they knew what was wrong and knew how to fix it" that they should help Siena fix the problem. That's all. What makes you think that isn't the case here - many of us have "communicated" with folks at Siena that have various levels of influence with the basketball program. Just because it's not posted or published doesn't mean it isn't happening....the care for the program is actually the driver that prompts those contacts. "Communications" take many forms - letters, emails, phone calls and drop offs in financial support.... I was thinking more of the specific in game coaching comments, etc.. there seems to be some very knowledgeable fans with good insight into game management, recruiting, etc.. I mean this in all seriousness, not to be snarky as II thinks. I'm not knowledgeable to be able to suggest anything to the coaches or admin. I just thought that some who really know their stuff could help out and let the coach or admin know how to correct things. That's all. Trust me, if I knew how to help, I'd be in Jimmy's office and make sure John D was there to and I'd let him know what I thought was wrong but more importantly how to fix it. Since I can't do that, I simply cheer my favorite team on.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 9, 2017 22:35:11 GMT -5
Was just thinking that if fans really cared about the "program" and "they knew what was wrong and knew how to fix it" that they should help Siena fix the problem. That's all. You have an inflated understanding as to your importance. "Your money is the ONLY thing of import...keep your opinions on how the program should be run to yourself" Not to duplicate, see my response to MP.
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Post by olddave on Jan 10, 2017 11:24:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately money drives the world especially college hoop. They even screw around on the D3 level where no ships are given. And please don't give me the BS about the IVy's, round about ways to give the kids money. What everyone I believe is saying here is if we are going to compete, compete, if not do away with the program and put the $ somewhere else.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 10, 2017 14:14:37 GMT -5
Actually, some of the comments I've read specifically detail in game coaching deficiencies, recruiting, and other specifics. I truly believe some of these posters do know what they're talking about (in an all serious, no joking matter). I wish they'd provide that helpful info to the coaches/admin so they could actually do something with it as opposed to just being posts on a message board.
The money thing, or loss of season ticket holders is a separate issue the admin should take notice of, I agree.
I'm the mean time, I'd like our team/coaches improve and get back to winning. So please, if anyone knows how to help the team/coaches with actual stuff they can use/implements now - talk to the coaches. They're very approachable, from my experience.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 12, 2017 17:31:55 GMT -5
Here is a big part of the problem. When bisping is your best player...you aren't going too far. He's a really good role player. No star.
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Post by MTS on Jan 12, 2017 18:12:21 GMT -5
Here is a big part of the problem. When bisping is your best player...you aren't going too far. He's a really good role player. No star. Kind of harsh. Role players aren't usually first team all-MAAC players. Brett isn't having the year we expect him to have though. But I agree there is no Hasbrouck, Ubiles or Franklin. Those are the talent you win the MAAC championship with. I thought Nico had the potential but he has regressed too (might be part injury).
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