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Post by nolesaint on Nov 21, 2016 18:46:16 GMT -5
Liberal? I'm a registered Conservative! The mutiny/revolution (of some) is against the HC. Others, not in this thread, also would like a change in the admin as well (for hiring the last tw HCs). I threw in the players and other coaching staff so as not to leave anyone out as to whom/who I was supporting. IS, don't sweat it, he called me a liberal as well (and I campaigned for Trump) he is just a little confused. Of course it is the liberals who would reference the nonsense coddling of those who think the world has ended because things didn't go their way that is going on at some campuses. Not me who's confused. You boys would do well to man up and embrace the principles you claim to hold dear. Recognize that its a fans message board where people come to shoot the bull about their team. Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad. Are you going the conservative route and respecting other peoples opinions or going the liberal elitist route of telling them how to behave "Calm down.." and making wild accusations "revolution against...." only to back track when called on it and saying 'well I was just talking about who I support' seems pretty clear that you may think you're conservative but you behave like liberal elitists. Newsflash - we all want what's best for the players, coaches, program and college!
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Post by indian82 on Nov 21, 2016 18:47:35 GMT -5
Can we take a deep breath? Some of you fragile darlings, hug your plushy bear, color in your books, play with your play-dough and drink your cocoa. We can all agree that right now the team is not quite where most expected them before the season began, but no one factored in no Lavon for 3 games to start the year and no Nico for 2 games so far. So how has the team done objectively (I think) so far? They beat a Cornell team as expected without LL and without struggling. Next up GW. Despite BB only going 5 and 6, JO missing two open bunny dunks, despite MW missing 2 key FT's late, they still had a chance to tie a team with 5.9 seconds left, that not everyone thought they would beat on the road. Two more seconds on the clock would have allowed a drive to the basket for a chance to tie or a drive and a foul with a chance to tie. Not a bad showing by any means. (and still no LL) Kansas, #7 in the country coming into the game. 21pt. underdog and they play them to with-in 5pts with 6 1/2 min remaining. Despite BB going 6 and 5 and no LL or NC. Sure they lost by 20, but no one would have expected it to be that close missing two starters and having BB continuing to struggle. That makes the team 1-2, where many think they would be even with a full healthy team. Finally, UNC-A. A team I think many Siena fans looked down their nose at because they are from the SoCon, and they surprised everyone. Once again a "non-Brett-like" BB with 6 and 5, no Nico, JO playing matador defense late because of 3 PF's, and just a horrific perimeter defensive effort in the second half. You can blame the loss on EF giving up a rebound if you are inclined to find reasons why he shouldn't play. You can say he is a defensive liability, but yesterday the the entire defense was a defensive liability. It was a stinker of a game. Numerous times the Saints had it down to 4 or 5 and then the defense would let UNC-A rain buckets. On the other side of the court, welcome back LL with momentum killing T/O's (although JO contributed just as many). Back to 19 T/O's a game. Numerous times leading up to the season Tony and many others correctly said "if we can cut down the turn-overs and tighten our perimeter defense, we are going to have a great season." Yesterday, they reverted to form (hopefully for only one game) and it doesn't look like such a great season. So after 4 games, I see an expected win, two encouraging efforts in road losses, and one really bad road loss. Haters will hate, but JP is doing about what was expected so far, and those were some pretty good expectations. Peace Great assessment of the first 4 games.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 21, 2016 18:57:45 GMT -5
Thats what I thought you'd say about last years MAAC representative, which totally contradicts your theory. Iona won 3 OOC games last year: ALL at HOME 1-Delaware (7-23), 2-Drexel (6-25), and 3-Texas Southern (18-15) Those 3 ultra impressive OOC wins, a 2nd place MAAC finish and a 22-10 record, got them a 13 seed. Tell me again why these 3 losses have already ruined our season, and the sky is falling? Dear Idiot, Round II What would Iowna JCs seed have been if they won all but 3 of their OOC games? Guarantee you it would have helped them. Once again ALL GAMES MATTER! Sincerely, Genius Yeah, the 2nd place team in the MAAC would have been a 10 seed if they beat Valpo and Akron last year.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 21, 2016 19:30:22 GMT -5
Evan Fisher is a player on this team, he is getting zero respect from some out here. I just don't get it, he is going to continue to be in the rotations, someone has to play the 40 minutes two starters are missing due to parking violations. If Brett isn't 100% he will get some of his minutes too. The team is underachieving due to rebounding and defense, that is 100% on the players not coaching. So without saying it (or even realizing it) you're blaming a good portion of the rebounding problem on Fisher. No respect from you. But I get your point. He's the 1st big man off the bench averaging almost 18 mins/game, yet only 2 reb/game. That's the worst rebounding avg for anybody getting more than 2 min/game except 6'0 frosh guard Khalil Richard. Now I see why you are being harsh on him for the rebounding problem (let's not even talk about his defense). Don't be so hard on him, I'm sure he's trying. And why would he want to give up any minutes to Friday (who's averaging 3 rebs in just 9 mins/game)? And we sure wouldn't want to see what WB can do, esp after spending a year red-shirting him, so let's keep him at his 1.3 mins/game. Why give him any of Brett's mins if he is hurt? So sure - give all the extra mins to Fisher cuz he's ripping it up at the offensive end as well, avging 3.5 ppg in his 18 mins, which is second worst on the team for anybody averaging over 9 mins/game. Oh, and thanks for all your analytical research and stats you provided to come up with your assessment of the team's big rebounding problem and why Fisher has been a major liability there in the first 4 games. If you find any other evidence about Evan's stats, please provide it here.
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Post by Papi on Nov 21, 2016 20:20:52 GMT -5
I'll put the major blame on Lavon and Nico for not being on the court. Fishers not the only guy not rebounding. But your group of coaches always finds a whipping boy. Just happens the past two whipping boys for your group is Evan.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 21, 2016 20:44:32 GMT -5
I'll put the major blame on Lavon and Nico for not being on the court. Fishers not the only guy not rebounding. But your group of coaches always finds a whipping boy. Just happens the past two whipping boys for your group is Evan. Of course, others are not rebounding, but he's the first big man off the bench. Rebounds are his job!! You think he's deserving of those 18 mins over Friday or giving WB a chance just to see what he can do? But thanks for all those amazing stats to back up your assessment. Just like you always do. Just pulling out whatever happens to be in your A$$ at the time. So you want to give Jimmy a pass, and put it on the players. But only some of them. Got it.
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Post by Papi on Nov 21, 2016 20:50:51 GMT -5
I love how this place gets after a tough loss. Why all the anger?
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Post by indian82 on Nov 21, 2016 20:56:22 GMT -5
I love how this place gets after a tough loss. Why all the anger? Don't know. Maybe cuz it's a fan message board with some passionate fans. Why you not answering questions? Who does the buck stop with? You think Fisher's deserving of those 18 mins over Friday or giving WB a chance just to see what he can do?
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Post by Papi on Nov 21, 2016 21:12:29 GMT -5
I love how this place gets after a tough loss. Why all the anger? Don't know. Maybe cuz it's a fan message board with some passionate fans. Why you not answering questions? Who does the buck stop with? You think Fisher's deserving of those 18 mins over Friday or giving WB a chance just to see what he can do? That's a coaching decision. I'll go with the coach.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 21, 2016 21:15:14 GMT -5
Don't know. Maybe cuz it's a fan message board with some passionate fans. Why you not answering questions? Who does the buck stop with? You think Fisher's deserving of those 18 mins over Friday or giving WB a chance just to see what he can do? That's a coaching decision. I'll go with the coach. That's a pussy non-answer. Of course, it's a coach's decision. I think we all realize that. What is YOUR opinion? And still looking for who YOU think the buck stops with?
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Post by billmurray on Nov 21, 2016 21:36:05 GMT -5
Papi is on to something here. The coach sees what EF, Friday and WB can do every day in practice and he makes the decision. Game time is not meant to see what a player can do. Game time is for players who have shown in practice that they deserve time on the court when it matters.
I say that having not been to practice on a daily basis. If any of you are there daily and believe the HC is making the wrong call then you may be in a better position to judge. If you are not there daily than Papi's position seems sound.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 21, 2016 21:58:07 GMT -5
Papi is on to something here. The coach sees what EF, Friday and WB can do every day in practice and he makes the decision. Game time is not meant to see what a player can do. Game time is for players who have shown in practice that they deserve time on the court when it matters. I say that having not been to practice on a daily basis. If any of you are there daily and believe the HC is making the wrong call then you may be in a better position to judge. If you are not there daily than Papi's position seems sound. I am not asking JP's opinion. I know it based on the time he is giving him. But this is a message board where we share opinions among the posters here. Many see little production in the mins EF has been given and I am asking Papi's opinion. So I will ask you - Do you think Evan has deserved the 18 mins/game he has gotten in the games in which we have gone 1-3? Go back and review the stats I took time to research and post while Papi gives out non-answers. To summarize: 18 mins/game - 3.5 ppg, 2.0 reb/game (1st big off the bench and Papi admits rebounding is 1 of our biggest problems), 0.3 blocks/game. 19% from 3 pt line. Weak defense. I am not saying he shouldn't get in. Just saying his production doesn't justify his mins. Papi's not saying anything. You? YOUR opinion?
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 21, 2016 22:20:10 GMT -5
Papi is on to something here. The coach sees what EF, Friday and WB can do every day in practice and he makes the decision. Game time is not meant to see what a player can do. Game time is for players who have shown in practice that they deserve time on the court when it matters. I say that having not been to practice on a daily basis. If any of you are there daily and believe the HC is making the wrong call then you may be in a better position to judge. If you are not there daily than Papi's position seems sound. Yikes he recruited WB Friday and Fisher. If your telling me Evan is the best of the three than you better take a hard look at your recruiting. Not sure what Friday or WB are doing in practice and frankly i dont care. Look when you have a player that you're giving 18 min a game, that is shooting 29% from the floor, 18% from 3 and is avg'ing 2 rebounds a game and is struggling on D and you have 2 other guys you won't give time to, something's very very very wrong. Don't give me the practice line of BS because you clearly have one guy that come game time that is absolutely struggling and not getting it done. Hell I would even make the argument that Evan needs a break to regroup and maybe be utilized in a different role. He needs a confidence boost Patsos running him out for 20 min a game when he's struggling isn't doing him any good or any favors. Look Evans trying but in his current role he's struggling.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 21, 2016 22:23:01 GMT -5
And here's something that KK posted in a different thread on this topic. An opinion backed up by some stats.
And I'll go one further and say I would like to see what WB could do given at least 10 mins/game. But Friday has already shown what he is capable of.
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Post by skipc on Nov 22, 2016 0:16:10 GMT -5
If Lavon plays in the GW game, we probably win. If Nico plays in the UNC-A game we probably win. If Brett was the Brett that we expect in either game, we probably win. These are 3 key guys that we need to show up every night to win and 2 of them made selfish decisions that very much hurt their team. JP needs to do a much better job but so do the guys that were supposed to lead us this year and I'm sure they all know it.
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