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Post by johndoh12 on Nov 16, 2016 13:05:46 GMT -5
Does Jimmy or any of his assistants read this board? If all of the posters, with what I would presume, have varying degrees of basketball knowledge, can identify what they perceive to be shortcomings with the team, the coaching, or whatever, why can't the coaching staff, who are supposed to be the experts, see the same thing? I am not asking that the coaching staff give in to the wishes of fans who care about the team, school, and program, but they could, at least, consider the opinions of interested observers. It just makes this distant Siena alum, and lifelong fan wonder what goes on behind the scenes. I would have to assume WB is not seeing the court because he is not performing in practice. That is how coaches decide who plays (or it should be). However, sometimes guys just are different players in real game situations. If something is not working, a good coach should try something else. Who knows? Maybe WB might have made a three point difference last night. Lavon almost certainly would have, but at least the coach has the integrity to impose a punishment and follow through with it. I just hope our coach figures out how and when to use all of the pieces, because they are too talented to fail.
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 16, 2016 14:32:29 GMT -5
I think someone intimated that WB is out of favor because he went home for the summer....I wouldn't doubt it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 14:33:40 GMT -5
It might be a personality thing. It sounds like Fisher has a more outgoing personality. But, at the same time, I don't think that was the case with a guy like White who seemed less well-spoken so I don't know.
Sometimes Jimmy's just a dog with a bone.
I think he may be stuck on the fact that he's a good 3 point shooter. But after 2 games, Siena is shooting better from three than all but Quinny who only played 1 game...and Fisher is 1 for 6.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 16, 2016 14:39:07 GMT -5
Lavon has the 2nd highest points per shot efficiency on the team to JO. He also rebounds and defends. Maybe he turns it over or something but he brings things with him box outs...which seems to be sorely lacking. He always finds a body. So he's not just a better rebounder than Fisher but he makes rebounding easier for others. The rebounding might have been closer with him out there. Also, often times he is the one that helps us through certain scoring droughts because he is a great 15 and in face up scorer. He is a different type of scorer than the other 4 and he finds certain openings that they don't. It could be that while they were stopping the other 4, it was he who could have had room to put up points. It's all conjecture but, I'd say that yeah, he could have put us over the top in this one. He's a box score stuffer. Agree, Lavon would helped us win last night but also believe we should have won even w/o him. I'm just not as upset about it as some others are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 14:51:01 GMT -5
BTW, as it stands right now, Kenpom has us as the 4th best in the nation at taking care of the ball. Last year, we were 345th.
There are 9 MAAC teams who are averaging as many or more turnovers per game as we have in total on the season.
In 2 games, we have 14 turnovers. In 2 games, Manhattan has 40.
I hope it lasts.
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Post by threepeat012 on Nov 16, 2016 14:58:57 GMT -5
I think someone intimated that WB is out of favor because he went home for the summer....I wouldn't doubt it! My prediction is that he doesnt make it to the second semester
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Post by siena95 on Nov 16, 2016 15:17:37 GMT -5
BTW, as it stands right now, Kenpom has us as the 4th best in the nation at taking care of the ball. Last year, we were 345th. There are 9 MAAC teams who are averaging as many or more turnovers per game as we have in total on the season. In 2 games, we have 14 turnovers. In 2 games, Manhattan has 40. I hope it lasts. but if they start to lose the rebound battle, have they gained any ground? somehow, someway, it all needs to come together, or we will be wondering why they have 11 or 12 loses again.
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Post by siena95 on Nov 16, 2016 15:19:27 GMT -5
I think someone intimated that WB is out of favor because he went home for the summer....I wouldn't doubt it! My prediction is that he doesnt make it to the second semester so, well worth the redshirt scholarship.... and if jimmy is pissed at a kid who he recruited, who is a foreigner, who wanted to go home like every other kid on summer break, well don't recruit kids from 9000 miles away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 15:33:17 GMT -5
BTW, as it stands right now, Kenpom has us as the 4th best in the nation at taking care of the ball. Last year, we were 345th. There are 9 MAAC teams who are averaging as many or more turnovers per game as we have in total on the season. In 2 games, we have 14 turnovers. In 2 games, Manhattan has 40. I hope it lasts. but if they start to lose the rebound battle, have they gained any ground? somehow, someway, it all needs to come together, or we will be wondering why they have 11 or 12 loses again. No. You're absolutely right. We were outrebounding teams by 8 on average last year...and losing the turnover margin battle by 4. So we were +4 on the possession battle. The Saints have the potential to be an uber efficient team as far as both # of possessions AND being efficient in scoring on those possessions. We've been waiting since the 1st CBI for them to put all their skills together at the same time. It's always...this guy is out so we're not as at this but this guy is in so we're really good at that ...or vise versa. When is it going be all hands on deck and sailing in a straight line? We have all the pieces we need to be successful. I don't doubt that. They just need to get to 100% for once.
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Post by hockeyguy on Nov 16, 2016 15:34:41 GMT -5
Since I am the one who raised the point (without any inside knowledge) I would like to clarify that I also said that if that were the case I doubted that JP would have any problem with him going home for 5 or 6 weeks, just like every other kid on the team. The difference being none who were physically able took the entire summer off, they cam back from wherever and hung out and worked out and played pick-up as a TEAM (albeit not all of them all at the same time). As a scholarship athlete either you are committed or you are not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 15:38:40 GMT -5
So far Siena is -10 on rebounding and +6 on turnover margin.
So we're -4...vs. +4 last year.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 16, 2016 15:49:33 GMT -5
Does Jimmy or any of his assistants read this board? If all of the posters, with what I would presume, have varying degrees of basketball knowledge, can identify what they perceive to be shortcomings with the team, the coaching, or whatever, why can't the coaching staff, who are supposed to be the experts, see the same thing? I am not asking that the coaching staff give in to the wishes of fans who care about the team, school, and program, but they could, at least, consider the opinions of interested observers. It just makes this distant Siena alum, and lifelong fan wonder what goes on behind the scenes. I would have to assume WB is not seeing the court because he is not performing in practice. That is how coaches decide who plays (or it should be). However, sometimes guys just are different players in real game situations. If something is not working, a good coach should try something else. Who knows? Maybe WB might have made a three point difference last night. Lavon almost certainly would have, but at least the coach has the integrity to impose a punishment and follow through with it. I just hope our coach figures out how and when to use all of the pieces, because they are too talented to fail. John, I'm not sure if they read this board but even if they did; they'd probably take many comments with a gain of salt. Sure some posters are really upset and/or don't care for some of Jimmy's decisions; but I don't know how that translates to the Siena fan population. Heck, there's probably less than 25 regular posters on this board that are that upset. Gaguging by 90% of season ticket holders renewing coupled with a few hundred brand new season ticket holders, there doesn't seem to be too many who were so upset to not renew. Many people I talk with at the games are no where as upset with team/Jimmy as a few appear to be on this board. So, I really don't think it's as bad as the few make it out to be. If the GW being upset poll, only 20 posters (out of hundreds) bothered to vote and of the 20, 8 were not that upset. Maybe only 12 are really upset. ( edited by Tony- keep politics off this board please)
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Post by MTS on Nov 16, 2016 15:58:01 GMT -5
So far Siena is -10 on rebounding and +6 on turnover margin. So we're -4...vs. +4. That's the problem...good to see TOs down but what's up with rebounding? Even against Duke last year we held our own on the glass. Cornell out-rebounded us and GW tattooed us last night. Getting Lavon back should help this but other guys have to pick it up too. We're shooting .433 from the field and .367 from three but it is only a two game sample. I still believe if the TO think stays as an improvement and we get back to rebounding like we expect us to and shoot a good percentage this year will win in the 20's and be right there for the MAAC championship.
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Post by Tony on Nov 16, 2016 17:22:33 GMT -5
I think the rebounding will improve.. something going on with Brett--as KK as pointed out Brett has been a notoriously slow starter in his career. We are getting very little rebounding out of the 3- not only is Lavon a good rebounder himself, he is extremely good at using his 220lb frame to box out allowing for easy rebounds for JO and Brett. When Lavon gets back the rotation will improve also. In hindsight we knew the GW game was the game not having Lavon could make a difference- you never know for sure, but I think the results would have been different with Lavon, not only rebounding, he would have been another established scorer we could have gone to with Brett struggling
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 17:55:26 GMT -5
So far Siena is -10 on rebounding and +6 on turnover margin. So we're -4...vs. +4. That's the problem...good to see TOs down but what's up with rebounding? Even against Duke last year we held our own on the glass. Cornell out-rebounded us and GW tattooed us last night. Getting Lavon back should help this but other guys have to pick it up too. We're shooting .433 from the field and .367 from three but it is only a two game sample. I still believe if the TO think stays as an improvement and we get back to rebounding like we expect us to and shoot a good percentage this year will win in the 20's and be right there for the MAAC championship. We were -4 on the boards vs Duke and -11 vs. Wisconsin...so it wasn't overly great either. I think, once clicking, Siena can be as high as +10 on the possession battle most nights...(+7 rebs, +2 or 3 TO margin) If we keep our points per shot (1.33) of last year...that means they're basically winning by over 10 points on average....because of 5 or 6 more possessions than last year. Siena's scoring margin was +5 last year..so the numbers work. If you use only MAAC only stats...it gets even more crooked: Siena was +9.6 on the boards and -4 on turnover margin...so closer to a net of +6 in the MAAC play vs. the +4 overall. With a potential double digit nightly possession advantage AND their high FG%, they have the ability to practically run the table....if they ever managed to actually put it all together in a neat little package. I'm not sure they ever will though. Other teams get better, injuries happen, unforced TOs etc.. But, with this team, it's at least possible.
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