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Post by OneIndian on Nov 5, 2016 11:16:28 GMT -5
Tony that's meaningless LeMoyne beat Syracuse in '15 and was a 500 D2 squad and Syracuse made it to the semi's in the big dance. That outcome meant nothing. I believe Siena is extremely talented but that game proved nothing outside the first 5-10 minutes. I'd love to see Siena play UB but the outcome of the Daemon game as a common opponent would tell you nothing of the potential outcome between the 2. In other words using the Daemon game on as a metric is useless. Papi - yeah Evan can knock down the three but he's a screen door on a submarine on D. He's do ok filling the Oliver type role be he can't be on the floor for long stretches. While the final score difference doesn't mean I'm ready to say Siena will cut down the nets- Sorry not meaningless- common opponent and margin of final score are what sagarin pomeroy etc are based on. Now granted 1 game isnt a big thing- as you mention upsets can and do happen. That's why the more games played the more accurate. But its a little bit more important than "meaningless". If Siena barely beat Daemen and UB pounded them- I wonder if you would be saying same thing? Actually I would, just curious did you attend the game. That team was totally outclassed. Sorry just don't think they were a strong opposition and therefore it really didn't tell me much about our team other than a view things I observed. Think we both agree Siena should be very good
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 11:20:52 GMT -5
While the final score difference doesn't mean I'm ready to say Siena will cut down the nets- Sorry not meaningless- common opponent and margin of final score are what sagarin pomeroy etc are based on. Now granted 1 game isnt a big thing- as you mention upsets can and do happen. That's why the more games played the more accurate. But its a little bit more important than "meaningless". If Siena barely beat Daemen and UB pounded them- I wonder if you would be saying same thing? I would, just curious did you attend the game. He did!
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Nov 5, 2016 12:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by Quackman on Nov 5, 2016 12:13:52 GMT -5
While the final score difference doesn't mean I'm ready to say Siena will cut down the nets- Sorry not meaningless- common opponent and margin of final score are what sagarin pomeroy etc are based on. Now granted 1 game isnt a big thing- as you mention upsets can and do happen. That's why the more games played the more accurate. But its a little bit more important than "meaningless". If Siena barely beat Daemen and UB pounded them- I wonder if you would be saying same thing? Actually I would, just curious did you attend the game. That team was totally outclassed. Sorry just don't think they were a strong opposition and therefore it really didn't tell me much about our team other than a view things I observed. Think we both agree Siena should be very good Perhaps they were outclassed because Siena was just that good ...
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Nov 5, 2016 12:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by Papi on Nov 5, 2016 12:20:06 GMT -5
I'll be happy with 7-10 made 3's per game. I've just seen too many teams come into the TUC and shoot lights out from 3 and steal games. Hahahaha make sure you factor that into your side bets with MTS—maybe you can eventually beat him..LOL Im using your picks this year. If he beats me I'm blaming you.
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Post by Tony on Nov 5, 2016 14:19:32 GMT -5
While the final score difference doesn't mean I'm ready to say Siena will cut down the nets- Sorry not meaningless- common opponent and margin of final score are what sagarin pomeroy etc are based on. Now granted 1 game isnt a big thing- as you mention upsets can and do happen. That's why the more games played the more accurate. But its a little bit more important than "meaningless". If Siena barely beat Daemen and UB pounded them- I wonder if you would be saying same thing? Actually I would, just curious did you attend the game. That team was totally outclassed. Sorry just don't think they were a strong opposition and therefore it really didn't tell me much about our team other than a view things I observed. Think we both agree Siena should be very good Of course I was there-- and yes they were outclassed-- but they are also a pretty typical D2 team- they had some good players and are well coached. My point was Siena handled them easily and UB struggled beating them- taking Overtime to do it - UB is projected to be a decent MAC team this year. If Daemen was as bad as you suggest UB should have manhandled them- the fact they didn't- should tell you something. And again its one game, I'm not reading too much into it. Just thats it better this way than Siena struggling with them and UB blasting them
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Post by Tony on Nov 5, 2016 14:24:25 GMT -5
Hahahaha make sure you factor that into your side bets with MTS—maybe you can eventually beat him..LOL Im using your picks this year. If he beats me I'm blaming you. When MTS beats you blame yourself-- MTS> Papi LOLOLOL
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 5, 2016 16:44:58 GMT -5
BTW Daemen gave U Buffalo all they could handle, UB beat Daemen in OT. Bodes well for Saints-- as for scoring points- KK is right, who cares about 3 when you score at Siena's 2 point percentage. Cut down on turnovers and no telling how many points this team will score Tony that's meaningless LeMoyne beat Syracuse in '15 and was a 500 D2 squad and Syracuse made it to the semi's in the big dance. That outcome meant nothing. I believe Siena is extremely talented but that game proved nothing outside the first 5-10 minutes. I'd love to see Siena play UB but the outcome of the Daemon game as a common opponent would tell you nothing of the potential outcome between the 2. In other words using the Daemon game on as a metric is useless. Papi - yeah Evan can knock down the three but he's a screen door on a submarine on D. He's do ok filling the Oliver type role be he can't be on the floor for long stretches. To call it meaningless is as bad, if not worse, than with one considering it meaningful.
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Nov 5, 2016 16:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 5, 2016 16:46:15 GMT -5
Tony that's meaningless LeMoyne beat Syracuse in '15 and was a 500 D2 squad and Syracuse made it to the semi's in the big dance. That outcome meant nothing. I believe Siena is extremely talented but that game proved nothing outside the first 5-10 minutes. I'd love to see Siena play UB but the outcome of the Daemon game as a common opponent would tell you nothing of the potential outcome between the 2. In other words using the Daemon game on as a metric is useless. Papi - yeah Evan can knock down the three but he's a screen door on a submarine on D. He's do ok filling the Oliver type role be he can't be on the floor for long stretches. To call it meaningless is as bad, if not worse, than with one considering it meaningful. Yawn
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Post by sienahusker on Nov 6, 2016 2:06:47 GMT -5
This team needs to score points to be successful. I'd like to see more EF especially if he can knock down the three. What I'm taking from the exhibition is Siena only made 4 three's from guys not named Fisher. Maybe Evan will be this team's version of Jim Cantemessa.
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