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Post by olddave on Feb 25, 2016 11:01:56 GMT -5
Candidly right now Siena is better off having KW on point. Balance of team moves knows a pass is coming and push. MW has slowed the team down, perhaps we need to have Quis start at the 2, not control the tempo. Tempo won Siena games lets get back to it, run run. MW will be fine just needs to figure out not the same team. Also thought it hurt us not having Lavon help bringing the ball up.
Far as MB and JP. Not sure what else JP could have done, MB St Fran didn't keep him around all those years because he was a bad assistant coach.
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Post by MTS on Feb 25, 2016 11:09:33 GMT -5
Everybody calm down. We weren't expecting Marquis back until the Quinny game at one point and were just hoping he'd be fit enough to help for the MAAC Tourney. Now he's got 3 games under his belt with the chance at one more to get everyone on the same page for the MAAC Tourney. Don't underestimate what a difference another week of practice and some healing in his hand can make. As for Nico, he's a streaky shooter. There will be some adjustment to Wright being back but you can't pin his 0 for 12 from 3 point on Marquis. That's just a bad stretch, normal for a streaky freshman. Add in Brett going 2 for 11 from 3 and you've got a recipe for disaster. Was actually impressed that they fought back and made a run in both games when they should have been blown out of the building in both games the way they shot. Right now Lavon is the one that needs a fire lit under him. I'd much rather see him playing too intense and fouling out than the disengaged Lavon we saw last night. When the big 5 have it going Siena can't lose to anyone in the MAAC. When 4 of them put up a stinker Siena isn't going to beat anybody. Nico just hasn't shot the ball well like you said I don't know what affect Marquis being back actually has had on him. Nico is still play major minutes. Could Marquis have been eased back slowly? Perhaps but he still hasn't played a 30 minute game yet. We were rolling after Rider no reason why we can't get back to playing like that. We've played 60 minutes of bad basketball (taking out the second half against Iona) against two solid clubs. Sunday's game is important for a number of reasons. We can't afford a three game losing streak now something we haven't had all year (only the second time we've lost two straight this year since Duke and Wisconsin). We need a few days off and get the ship righted against Quinnipiac before the "playoffs" start.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 11:15:29 GMT -5
Candidly right now Siena is better off having KW on point. Balance of team moves knows a pass is coming and push. MW has slowed the team down, perhaps we need to have Quis start at the 2, not control the tempo. Tempo won Siena games lets get back to it, run run. MW will be fine just needs to figure out not the same team. Also thought it hurt us not having Lavon help bringing the ball up. Far as MB and JP. Not sure what else JP could have done, MB St Fran didn't keep him around all those years because he was a bad assistant coach. I admittedly, didn't watch this one but Siena only turned the ball over 13 times vs. 13 assists. That's nothing for us...and LL had 3 of those turnovers and no assists. It seems to me, from what I'm hearing, and what I saw vs. Iona that it's a combination of defensive lapses and stale offense. And the stale offense is partly from becoming overly reliant on shooting the 3 after being so hot....and now the Saints are all going cold at the same time. Siena's defensive ranking has steadily declined over the last 2 weeks. It is something that was happening even while winning. I think they need some practice time to regain their focus and re-assess things. The team has the talent to succeed. They just need to play at the level they are capable of. They need to again focus on creating clean 2 pt looks and playing aggressive D. A week and a half of practice may be just what the doctor ordered. It lets Wright's hand heal and allows him to get back into the flow and allows them to regain their chemistry as a team.
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Post by skipc on Feb 25, 2016 11:20:03 GMT -5
Credit MB and rip JP in same post- some things never change. MB hallmark as AN ASSISTANT - solid, thorough, effective scout and game plan and it was painfully evident last night. It appears that "You can't handle the truth." Thank you - Colonel Nathan Jessup (A Few Good Men). I guess MB didn't do the scout when we beat them by 15 earlier in the year.
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Post by skipc on Feb 25, 2016 11:31:10 GMT -5
Assuming Marquis is fine physically, the only way he's going to knock the rust off and build up his stamina is by giving him a lot of playing time. Once we lost to Iona, the last 2 games became irrelevant(sorry MTS- I'm still rooting for you to get the season tickets). IMO, the easier path to the final is as a 4 seed not a 3 seed. Let's remember the ultimate goal- the MAAC tournament. I understand that you want to be playing your best basketball at season's end but our priority should be getting Marquis ready to play three days straight. Once 100%,there is no doubt in my mind we are a much better team with him than without him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 11:41:34 GMT -5
MB hallmark as AN ASSISTANT - solid, thorough, effective scout and game plan and it was painfully evident last night. It appears that "You can't handle the truth." Thank you - Colonel Nathan Jessup (A Few Good Men). I guess MB didn't do the scout when we beat them by 15 earlier in the year. Maybe and then maybe not! One thing is for certain they made adjustments from that game to this one and it sure didn't look like we were doing ANYTHING different except failing to show up. Maybe it's a stretch but one would think the staff could sense where the team is at during the pregame meal, shoot around and locker room game plan review and it if it appeared that more were dozing than grasping, then WAKE THEM UP or let them continue their nap on the bench when the game starts. The staff's jobS are to get them ready, keep them ready and make changes when things aren't going the way intended. Relying on random substitution patterns to enable a continuous coaching rant (yes, JP 2.0 was RANTING) up close and personal involving all - including the "you just f'd up" bench, "the maybe you'll play" bench, the "no way will you play" bench, the "you can't play" bench, and the manager at the scorer's table does not seem effective - certainly the case last night.
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Post by MTS on Feb 25, 2016 11:42:19 GMT -5
Assuming Marquis is fine physically, the only way he's going to knock the rust off and build up his stamina is by giving him a lot of playing time. Once we lost to Iona, the last 2 games became irrelevant(sorry MTS- I'm still rooting for you to get the season tickets). IMO, the easier path to the final is as a 4 seed not a 3 seed. Let's remember the ultimate goal- the MAAC tournament. I understand that you want to be playing your best basketball at season's end but our priority should be getting Marquis ready to play three days straight. Once 100%,there is no doubt in my mind we are a much better team with him than without him. Forgetting the bet with Papi - I don't care about that I care about our team winning it is important as you don't want to go into the tournament on a skid. Plus 20 wins in the regular season IS important. 3 or 4 seed...you're going to have to go through Iona/Monmouth in some order. Manhattan, St. Peter's or Fairfield will won't be easy games in the Quarterfinals. I was worried about last night's game because of human nature. These are young guys they lost an emotional game Monday night after being down 25...they are smart - they knew had a "safety net" (now gone) of winning Sunday and still ultimately getting the #3 seed. Throw in a quick turnaround and travel and it's no surprise what happened. FF wanted it more. I expect the intensity will be there on Sunday and in the tournament. Jimmy has some time to correct things now.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 25, 2016 12:40:01 GMT -5
I think there are a few things going on with the team. Having Wright back at less than 100% and having missed 15 games is an issue. Staff can't seem to figure out how to best work him back without disrupting the teams chemistry. Lavon has the looks of a player with an attitude issue. He appears to have bailed on the team mentally and physically. I said it weeks back he hasn't looked right for awhile. Dont know if he's burned out in the game, too much input from family or has issues and feels other are surpassing him on the team. Whatever it is when he's dialed in it makes all the difference in the world. Nico has faded a bit not sure why? Not sure if it's having Wright back, or a correction -he was hot as a pistol. I think it's a combination. I suspect you'll see the swag back soon.
If I'm JP I work Wright back at the SG spot and take some of the ball handling decisions and let Kenney run with it and try and get Wright in the flow that way. Next I have a heart to heart with Lavon to see what's bugging him, somethings up! I would go with KW MW NC BB and JO and use RO LL & KL off the bench. Would also give Silas a crack at Fishers minutes.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 25, 2016 13:00:10 GMT -5
Don't forget regarding Nico, he isn't an unknown anymore. I'd have to look back at some games., but i guarantee he is being looked at more every possession, being guarded by the other teams better defenders and generally being game planned for.... his shooting is off, but he is still the best on ball defender i have seen at siena in a long time, so he doesn't let any offensive slump effect the rest of his game. If Bisping was truly sick again, can we just have Hammer have a constant IV going for the kid?
At this point Silas isn't seeing PT (outside of a token start sunday). If he hasn't cracked the playing rotation now, he won't come MAAC tourney time. What an odd career he has had here. There is no reason he shouldn't play some minutes each game, unless he just sleeps during practice, which I highly doubt.
I don't know what the answer is for the rotation, but that is why the coaches get paid. This should not be a huge deal, but it is starting to play out like one. Win Sunday and spend the week figuring it out, all in, or one and done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 14:24:56 GMT -5
I would hope that Imoh gets to start this Sunday - it's Senior Day and he certainly deserves to be intro'd with the team.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 25, 2016 14:29:59 GMT -5
I can't remember, did Steven Cruze start Sr night? If so, I'd assume Imih Imoh would start too.
Regardless, I too hope all the Srs start (even if only for a few mins).
Edited because I forgot how to spell Imoh. I had to look it up in the program because I forgot he was still on the team. What's that expression "Out of sight ... ."
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 25, 2016 14:43:17 GMT -5
All this talk about Chemistry. I'm pretty sure it's not a required course (unless they're in pre-med) maybe some players will take it as an elective. If it's important maybe Siena can make it a requirement for all sports (players).
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Post by olddave on Feb 25, 2016 14:56:51 GMT -5
JP I guess MB didn't do the scout when we beat them by 15 earlier in the year. Maybe and then maybe not! One thing is for certain they made adjustments from that game to this one and it sure didn't look like we were doing ANYTHING different except failing to show up. Maybe it's a stretch but one would think the staff could sense where the team is at during the pregame meal, shoot around and locker room game plan review and it if it appeared that more were dozing than grasping, then WAKE THEM UP or let them continue their nap on the bench when the game starts. The staff's jobS are to get them ready, keep them ready and make changes when things aren't going the way intended. Relying on random substitution patterns to enable a continuous coaching rant (yes, JP 2.0 was RANTING) up close and personal involving all - including the "you just f'd up" bench, "the maybe you'll play" bench, the "no way will you play" bench, the "you can't play" bench, and the manager at the scorer's table does not seem effective - certainly the case last night. JP has the right to rant and he wasn't that bad. Refs knew he wasn't passed at them. 20-22 yo or more, 29 + games under their shorts sorry its on them the players. Up to them to fix the chemistry challenges , yes the staff should help, but the players know what's bothering LL, players know if Quis is fouling the game plan, yes he has the tendency to hold the ball as Wormely does not, if Quis shooting better perfect sg. As far as last night several only gave up with just under 2 minutes to go. Some more made FT and not the sleepwalking we could have won. Certainly hope the way the game was called is no indication how the tournament will be called. Both teams looked at the refs at times in dismay.
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Post by saints22 on Feb 25, 2016 16:01:37 GMT -5
Everybody calm down. We weren't expecting Marquis back until the Quinny game at one point and were just hoping he'd be fit enough to help for the MAAC Tourney. Now he's got 3 games under his belt with the chance at one more to get everyone on the same page for the MAAC Tourney. Don't underestimate what a difference another week of practice and some healing in his hand can make. As for Nico, he's a streaky shooter. There will be some adjustment to Wright being back but you can't pin his 0 for 12 from 3 point on Marquis. That's just a bad stretch, normal for a streaky freshman. Add in Brett going 2 for 11 from 3 and you've got a recipe for disaster. Was actually impressed that they fought back and made a run in both games when they should have been blown out of the building in both games the way they shot. Right now Lavon is the one that needs a fire lit under him. I'd much rather see him playing too intense and fouling out than the disengaged Lavon we saw last night. When the big 5 have it going Siena can't lose to anyone in the MAAC. When 4 of them put up a stinker Siena isn't going to beat anybody. Not too long ago, most here couldn't wait for Marquis to come back, even though, realistically there had to be concerns about regaining shooting touch, stamina and foot speed. Now, many seem to be questioning why he is playing as much as he is,, even though we had to believe that his return would not be seamless. The team was playing well with Marquis before the injury (he was our best player); have to believe they will again, once everyone is used to having him back on the floor. What happened in his absence is that the team dynamic changed. Our front court became dominant, and Nico emerged as a game changer. Nico is drawing a lot more attention from other teams now than he was before, and teams have learned to pack the middle more against Brett and JO without the outside threat Marquis provided, and without having to be concerned about him penetrating to the basket as he was able to do so well. From where I was sitting at the game last night, I saw everyone playing hard. We outrebounded the Stags by a fair margin, and we all say that's a hustle/want to stat, right? Guys were hitting the floor going after loose balls. Shooting was off. Okay, it happens. Marquis took a lot shots, many of which because he was open. If a couple of the misses go in instead, it's a whole different ballgame. I also saw Marquis come to the bench twice to throw away a bandage and a piece of tape from his cut hand, so you have to believe that's still an issue. Despite all the problems the team had last night, they were still right there with two minutes left and s chance to win. Not saying there aren't issues, but this team isn't that far removed from runaway wins over Canisius and Rider, a significant road win at Iona (some on here have called it the best win in the Patsos era), and an almost epic comeback win at home against Iona (which to me had to take a lot out the players emotionally). I hope I'm not wrong, but I don't think things are nearly as dire as some here seem to think. Players and staff will figure this out and be ready for the MAAC Tournament.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 25, 2016 16:11:28 GMT -5
All this talk about Chemistry. I'm pretty sure it's not a required course (unless they're in pre-med) maybe some players will take it as an elective. If it's important maybe Siena can make it a requirement for all sports (players). No way.. they use Bunson burners in Chemistry...last thing we need is another injury in the classroom!
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