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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 15, 2016 19:32:23 GMT -5
. You are not comparing basketball competition to solving the poverty crisis are you? The difference is there is no basic nessecity required to win basketball games. But you are right I hate the everybody's equal nature of the Maac and programs like rider and Marist have done nothing to raise their profile since they joined. Hence the reason why so few teams win consistently. The trickle down concept would work here, it just isn't working in real life. I wish there wasn't suffering, poverty etc..but as Jesus said the poor will always be with us. I think that private charity is the best way of helping people. Do you want the government to own the individual? Sanders wants to take 90% of people's incomes you think that is "FAIR"? As far as Saintsfan goes if you think that John F. Kennedy or Harry Truman could get nominated by ANY party today much less the democratic party I can't help you. That's not Fox news telling my anything that's paying attention and analyzing the facts. You just quoted a bullshit lie. Where'd your 90% from. Don't be ignorant AND an idiot |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 19:43:34 GMT -5
I wish there wasn't suffering, poverty etc..but as Jesus said the poor will always be with us. I think that private charity is the best way of helping people. Do you want the government to own the individual? Sanders wants to take 90% of people's incomes you think that is "FAIR"? As far as Saintsfan goes if you think that John F. Kennedy or Harry Truman could get nominated by ANY party today much less the democratic party I can't help you. That's not Fox news telling my anything that's paying attention and analyzing the facts. You just quoted a bullshit lie. Where'd your 90% from. Don't be ignorant AND an idiot He can't help it - it's genetic! The 90% he is misquoting has been thrown out as the highest tax rate for the top whom Evers! |
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2016 20:08:33 GMT -5
Exactly, remember Reagan's famous quote, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic left me." Reagan couldn't get a sniff of a republican nomination today. He'll the first bush couldn't get a nomination today. And mts... Please explain why each on your list couldn't get the nomination. Interestingly enough...It's another Fox news quote. And cellar...you've done nothing but slam the policies offered by the democrats and offered no solutions yourself. Very typical republican response despite your claim that you aren't one. "No no no no no no"...never offering any solutions to the problems of today..And what's funny is the only reason you aren't offering...is you don't think those problems exist. Or...Do you have nothing to say but attacks on the position. Republicans: "global warming... A manufactured democrat lie" lie "Racism and religious oppression... Doesn't exist. Not a problem" - lie "Corporate tax evasion. No way! Corporations are over taxed over regulated" - lie "Foreign policy. Just kill em all, make sure we get the oil" - idiocy "Middle class and poor getting decimated. Not really a problem..get a job. You people are just lazy" - lie All of these are legitimate problems with no easy solution... But burying your head in the sand in ignorance is no solution. The ignorance level is comedy at its best. Just raise taxes. Problem solved.  |
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Post by th24 on Feb 16, 2016 10:14:28 GMT -5
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 16, 2016 20:02:37 GMT -5
while we're quoting sources we pull out of our ass... rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Hawkinsrationalwiki.org/wiki/Townhalland what these lunatics duck dodge and deny.... is that the issue does not lay in Capitalism... it lays directly in the implementation of our Capitalistic "Democracy" that allowed policy and government officials to be bought and paid for by wealthy interests. If you eliminated money from the election process and limited the bullshit slung in advertisements etc during the campaign season (which coincidentally has turned into an ENDLESS campaign cycle) it would probably allow the system to fix many of its own problems. If the majority are liberal and prefer liberal policies etc that would eventually bubble to the top. If they are conservative then THAT would eventually bubble to the top. Right now we have fringe individuals/small groups of wealthy individuals holding our economy and our government hostage. Enough is enough. now what i said about it fixing itself is of course in a perfect world. Well we dont live in a perfect world ... so therefor a combination of some socialistic values coupled with some capitalist values is the best option. The pendulum has swung WAY too far to the corporate / wealthy interests... and THAT is breaking the backs of the middle class and poor. Again... enough is enough. |
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 16, 2016 20:12:20 GMT -5
while we're quoting sources we pull out of our ass... rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Hawkinsrationalwiki.org/wiki/Townhalland what these lunatics duck dodge and deny.... is that the issue does not lay in Capitalism... it lays directly in the implementation of our Capitalistic "Democracy" that allowed policy and government officials to be bought and paid for by wealthy interests. If you eliminated money from the election process and limited the bullshit slung in advertisements etc during the campaign season (which coincidentally has turned into an ENDLESS campaign cycle) it would probably allow the system to fix many of its own problems. If the majority are liberal and prefer liberal policies etc that would eventually bubble to the top. If they are conservative then THAT would eventually bubble to the top. Right now we have fringe individuals/small groups of wealthy individuals holding our economy and our government hostage. Enough is enough. now what i said about it fixing itself is of course in a perfect world. Well we dont live in a perfect world ... so therefor a combination of some socialistic values coupled with some capitalist values is the best option. The pendulum has swung WAY too far to the corporate / wealthy interests... and THAT is breaking the backs of the middle class and poor. Again... enough is enough. I.e., just raise taxes. |
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Post by psycholojets on Feb 16, 2016 20:12:35 GMT -5
Nicely said SF!
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 16, 2016 20:24:37 GMT -5
while we're quoting sources we pull out of our ass... rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Hawkinsrationalwiki.org/wiki/Townhalland what these lunatics duck dodge and deny.... is that the issue does not lay in Capitalism... it lays directly in the implementation of our Capitalistic "Democracy" that allowed policy and government officials to be bought and paid for by wealthy interests. If you eliminated money from the election process and limited the bullshit slung in advertisements etc during the campaign season (which coincidentally has turned into an ENDLESS campaign cycle) it would probably allow the system to fix many of its own problems. If the majority are liberal and prefer liberal policies etc that would eventually bubble to the top. If they are conservative then THAT would eventually bubble to the top. Right now we have fringe individuals/small groups of wealthy individuals holding our economy and our government hostage. Enough is enough. now what i said about it fixing itself is of course in a perfect world. Well we dont live in a perfect world ... so therefor a combination of some socialistic values coupled with some capitalist values is the best option. The pendulum has swung WAY too far to the corporate / wealthy interests... and THAT is breaking the backs of the middle class and poor. Again... enough is enough. I.e., just raise taxes. Like all republicans..a giant erection for the word taxes. If you're wealthy I'm not buying your "I'm over taxed" bullshit. Not only do they not pay anywhere near the rates they bitch about but they under the table so much income it isn't even funny. I've recently looked into purchasing multiple businesses and spoke to friends who own businesses. All are pretty well off. 200k+ And each and every one of them wouldn't explain how they continue to show little to no income and pay little if any taxes...One of the people I actually know is someone I know to bitch about taxes. I call bullshit on him and his wife all the time. YOU DON'T PAY TAXES SO SHUT THE HELL UP. And the business gets a break to near zero on property taxes. All these people can do is wink or smirk...So no... You can take your tax arguments and stick it. Corporate taxes accounted for nearly 45% of tax revenue 30/40 years ago...today...just over 10%. Not only have they raped and pillaged things like retirement and salary of employees...But they pushed nearly all of the tax burden on to the employees as well. Enough |
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 16, 2016 20:40:51 GMT -5
Corporations like GE that are in bed with the Obama administration? Or people like Elon Musk who get millions for his ventures also a friend to the Obama administration? I don't support crony "capitalism" - because it's not free market capitalism. In fact, it's typically an evil of big government trying to influence the private market. That's what socialists do.
So enough of your enough. Listen to some Milton Friedman and get enlightened. Socialism isn't the cure for big government gone bad as you suggest. In fact that's pure lunacy.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 17, 2016 3:53:17 GMT -5
Where are you when these corporations are knobbing republicans?
And I never said obama administration wasnt just as bad as republicans. I haven't heard you bad mouth a single republican yet and we know they are the standard bearer for whoring to the corporate world
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 17, 2016 6:32:32 GMT -5
Where are you when these corporations are knobbing republicans? And I never said obama administration wasnt just as bad as republicans. I haven't heard you bad mouth a single republican yet and we know they are the standard bearer for whoring to the corporate world Again, I'm not a republican. Most republicans that are in office aren't republicans. I could say the same about democrats. Crony capitalism, bail outs no matter what administration it happens under isn't right. Political favor is alive and well in both parties. Wall Street is supposedly the enemy of most Dems yet Goldman Sachs is a large contributor to the dem party. George Soros, the quintessential capitalist - a democrat! It's not that simple. That's why I don't belong to any political party. Ran Paul, a republican - libertarian I believe is an honest man. He believes strongly in civil liberties as I do and also in the free market. I agree with some of what you say. But your assignment of culpability is naive. Your rush to socialism is also naive. It's throwing out the baby with the bath water. Money in politics is the problem, on both sides, or all sides I should say. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 17, 2016 7:37:51 GMT -5
But libertarians are as much if not more so pie-in-the-sky as anyone.
And regarding your comments of assignment of culpability... Are not the corporations/individuals who buy law/policy/politicians to blame.
Yes money is to blame and only one candidate including your boy has pushed and continues to push to get it out of politics...And that's Sanders.
And I know you so desperately want to paint him a black and white socialist and he openly has stated that isn't true.
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Post by th24 on Feb 18, 2016 19:47:47 GMT -5
Here is the problem with Sanders!
1. Back in 2015-Sanders admitted that his tax plan would " hit everyone "! Breaking news ...people are moving out of northeastern states to avoid taxes! And moving to southern states like Florida, TX, NC.. for lower taxes!
2. If Sanders raises taxes on your typical small business - they are either going to close or raise the prices on their products.
3. In order to attract corporations, the US must lower the corporate tax rate much like Ireland has! In Ireland the tax rate is 12.5 per cent. As a result, they have attracted major companies like Google and Facebook.
4. Even if you were to take the 1 percent and take all of their money — tax it 100 percent — do you know that couldn’t keep Medicare, just Medicare, in this country going for three years!
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 18, 2016 20:22:24 GMT -5
Bernie is an angry, frustrated old man that never accomplished much in his life. He's has a net worth that's pretty pathetic for a man his age. So it doesn't surprise me he wants to steal it from people who are more successful and probably work smarter and a lot harder than he does.
Class warfare is the tactic that scoundrels use, you should be used to it we have had almost 8 years of it. These folks prey on people's hatred and jealousy.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 18, 2016 21:41:16 GMT -5
Bernie is an angry, frustrated old man that never accomplished much in his life. He's has a net worth that's pretty pathetic for a man his age. So it doesn't surprise me he wants to steal it from people who are more successful and probably work smarter and a lot harder than he does. Class warfare is the tactic that scoundrels use, you should be used to it we have had almost 8 years of it. These folks prey on people's hatred and jealousy. You measure a man by his net worth? Figures. I think serving your constituency in an ethical manner is quite an accomplishment. Certainly rare in these times. |
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