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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 15:16:14 GMT -5
Where were all the actual/official D1 offers? I read here that there was one from Hartford but it was eventually pulled. I've also read here that he was blowing up, I've seen nothing official either way. Just a lot of talk. As to his section he's playing against inferior competition similar to Joel W. Did that impact his recruiting? Class goes by school size/section by geographical location. Hard to gage him by that, he did start a number of games for the Rocks so that should count for something. He's also has had decent games vs better comp from section 2 .. AA for example. What is Mr NY a combo of Academics and Athletics, what does it mean really? I'm not saying the kid IS D2 he just looked it vs HF. Could be better or not. Hard to tell by that/1 game. If interested go see for yourself Friday. Just curious, but if you saw the two games Platek played against Shen this year, what would your scouting report/opinion on him be? I did see him play vs CBA (last game) 20+ . He was as advertised no surprises One game so tough to tell where he'll land. Did you see the Shen game?
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 15, 2015 15:20:10 GMT -5
Columbia sent big a Frank Austin at Sam and. Fight started Frank Austin? lol He looked like one of the Hanson brothers from Slapshot! The year before we had to get a police escort out of there. Crazy amount of racist signs and props. Ahhh, the gold 'ole days. I think a certain players father ordered a "hit"
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 15, 2015 15:24:11 GMT -5
I can't answer #1. But question #2: NYS public high schools are organized in 10 sections. None of these sections include NYC. There are 5 classes. AA A B C D. The Double As are by far the largest schools -- Shen, CBA, Guilderland ETC. The As are the next largest Scotia dominates this class now. Kinnon plays in B like Watervliet (made a run recently), Cohoes, etc. Wincowski played in C with lake george. The Ds are the smallest school -- Adonal Foyle came out of a D school though in the 90s. The PSAL is made up of NYC schools. THey also have an AA, A and B. The Catholic schools (CHSAA) have their own group. The remaining few schools not in any of those are in the AIS (Independent). Albany academy usually plays in this group. At the end of the season, each of those four state champions play each other in the federation tournament. Usually the CHSAA, AIS and the PSAL dominate these, but occasionally the public schools win. Thank you for that detailed explanation. Am I to assume that the smaller schools almost always have lesser talent? That seems odd to me based on the fact that who goes to which public school is totally random based on where they happen to live. I find it unlikely that all the division 1 quality players just happen to live in the same school districts. Do we know of any examples of notable division 1 players who came from class B and smaller schools other than Foyle?
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 15, 2015 15:31:25 GMT -5
I find the comments on this kid amusing. Based on a one game sample, which by all accounts is his lowest performing this season, he is labeled a div. 2 player. The fact that he was double-teamed with physical defense specifically designed to take him out of the game and make his teammates beat the opponent appears to be of little consequence because it wasn't high-major recruits guarding him. Superior talent doesn't usually overcome superior numbers. LaRose in fact did the right thing in that game. He didn't force it against the double-teams. Instead, he let his teammates with the game. Sounds like a smart, team-oriented player to me. Had he tried to force it through the constant double teams and turned it over instead of passing the ball, we'd now be reading in this thread how much of a black hole he is. That all being said, I have a couple of questions: 1. If LaRose is allegedly a div. 2 player according to some expert scouts here, how is it possible that he's one of 4 finalists for NY State Mr. Basketball this season? 2. Can someone explain to me how NY State H.S. basketball is organized? I don't understand the classes, divisions, sections, etc. I'm trying to get a handle on what level this dude plays at. Where were all the actual/official D1 offers? I read here that there was one from Hartford but it was eventually pulled. I've also read here that he was blowing up, I've seen nothing official either way. Just a lot of talk. As to his section he's playing against inferior competition similar to Joel W. Did that impact his recruiting? Class goes by school size/section by geographical location. Hard to gage him by that, he did start a number of games for the Rocks so that should count for something. He's also has had decent games vs better comp from section 2 .. AA for example. What is Mr NY a combo of Academics and Athletics, what does it mean really? I'm not saying the kid IS D2 he just looked it vs HF. Could be better or not. Hard to tell by that/1 game. If interested go see for yourself Friday. Where were all of Hasbrouck, Moore, and Franklin's D1 offers? History tells us that just because you're obscure, doesn't mean you ain't good. As for seeing anyone play in person, I was born in NYC, grew up in Westchester, NY, and currently reside in Hoboken, NJ. My only time spent living in the capital region was my four years at Siena in the late 80s to early 90s. I am thus totally unfamiliar with the local high school sports scene there.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 15:52:45 GMT -5
Where were all the actual/official D1 offers? I read here that there was one from Hartford but it was eventually pulled. I've also read here that he was blowing up, I've seen nothing official either way. Just a lot of talk. As to his section he's playing against inferior competition similar to Joel W. Did that impact his recruiting? Class goes by school size/section by geographical location. Hard to gage him by that, he did start a number of games for the Rocks so that should count for something. He's also has had decent games vs better comp from section 2 .. AA for example. What is Mr NY a combo of Academics and Athletics, what does it mean really? I'm not saying the kid IS D2 he just looked it vs HF. Could be better or not. Hard to tell by that/1 game. If interested go see for yourself Friday. Where were all of Hasbrouck, Moore, and Franklin's D1 offers? History tells us that just because you're obscure, doesn't mean you ain't good. As for seeing anyone play in person, I was born in NYC, grew up in Westchester, NY, and currently reside in Hoboken, NJ. My only time spent living in the capital region was my four years at Siena in the late 80s to early 90s. I am thus totally unfamiliar with the local high school sports scene there. LaRose is far from obscure he played for the Albany City Rocks premier national Nike sponsored team and has started multiple games at the 2. They play against some of the best AAU talent in major tournaments in the country. He's been seen.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 15, 2015 16:36:18 GMT -5
I can't answer #1. But question #2: NYS public high schools are organized in 10 sections. None of these sections include NYC. There are 5 classes. AA A B C D. The Double As are by far the largest schools -- Shen, CBA, Guilderland ETC. The As are the next largest Scotia dominates this class now. Kinnon plays in B like Watervliet (made a run recently), Cohoes, etc. Wincowski played in C with lake george. The Ds are the smallest school -- Adonal Foyle came out of a D school though in the 90s. The PSAL is made up of NYC schools. THey also have an AA, A and B. The Catholic schools (CHSAA) have their own group. The remaining few schools not in any of those are in the AIS (Independent). Albany academy usually plays in this group. At the end of the season, each of those four state champions play each other in the federation tournament. Usually the CHSAA, AIS and the PSAL dominate these, but occasionally the public schools win. Thank you for that detailed explanation. Am I to assume that the smaller schools almost always have lesser talent? That seems odd to me based on the fact that who goes to which public school is totally random based on where they happen to live. I find it unlikely that all the division 1 quality players just happen to live in the same school districts. Do we know of any examples of notable division 1 players who came from class B and smaller schools other than Foyle? The majority of the talent is going to come from the larger schools simply because they have a bigger pool to choose from. To put it in perspective, a class D school has less than 169 students while Brentwood has over 4,000. Also, some parents will either move to a larger district or send their kid to live with a relative in that district. Furthermore, some charter schools like Green Tech are smaller but are able to draw the best kids and play in a larger classification than their size. Having said all of that, there have been notable D 1 players from smaller schools, Corey Osinski comes to mind from Schalmont, a class b school (not sure if they were class b when he played). There have been plenty of solid D 1 players coming from these schools, it would depend upon your definition of "notable". It would be great if Kinnon can add to this list. www.nysphsaa.org/Classifications
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Mar 15, 2015 16:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 15, 2015 16:57:34 GMT -5
Just curious, but if you saw the two games Platek played against Shen this year, what would your scouting report/opinion on him be? Unfortunately not work gets in the way but I get to as many Syr Siena UA and high school games as I can. I did here Shen locked Platek up in the last one not sure about the 1st meeting. In two games against Shen, he had 3 baskets, and 14 points. Was shadowed by a 6' soccer player named Lewis. He's def a D-1 kid still. I felt like his coach, who had a week to prepare for a box-and-one, did a very poor job for the Sectional final. Kinnon will be a plus for the program. Definitely not a star, or a program changer. He does possess some qualities our current roster lacks (shooting skill, great passer and basketball IQ) I really hope he works on his body (get stronger),lateral quickness and handle. Honestly, he's a kid that should go to prep schoool for a year(think I heard he's still 17) , or maybe even redshirt this year IF we can still get an older wing to come for '15-'16.
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Post by greenblood on Mar 15, 2015 17:16:38 GMT -5
I thought a redshirt also while watching him yesterday...I don't like agree with it; I think you need to come in June and be ready to play in October. Save the redshirt if you need it later in career for injury.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 17:20:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately not work gets in the way but I get to as many Syr Siena UA and high school games as I can. I did here Shen locked Platek up in the last one not sure about the 1st meeting. In two games against Shen, he had 3 baskets, and 14 points. Was shadowed by a 6' soccer player named Lewis. He's def a D-1 kid still. I felt like his coach, who had a week to prepare for a box-and-one, did a very poor job for the Sectional final. Kinnon will be a plus for the program. Definitely not a star, or a program changer. He does possess some qualities our current roster lacks (shooting skill, great passer and basketball IQ) I really hope he works on his body (get stronger),lateral quickness and handle. Honestly, he's a kid that should go to prep schoool for a year(think I heard he's still 17) , or maybe even redshirt this year IF we can still get an older wing to come for '15-'16. Hope so we need all the help we can get. I'm going to see if I can get back from Boston Fri and try and make the game.
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 15, 2015 18:18:58 GMT -5
Where were all of Hasbrouck, Moore, and Franklin's D1 offers? History tells us that just because you're obscure, doesn't mean you ain't good. As for seeing anyone play in person, I was born in NYC, grew up in Westchester, NY, and currently reside in Hoboken, NJ. My only time spent living in the capital region was my four years at Siena in the late 80s to early 90s. I am thus totally unfamiliar with the local high school sports scene there. LaRose is far from obscure he played for the Albany City Rocks premier national Nike sponsored team and has started multiple games at the 2. They play against some of the best AAU talent in major tournaments in the country. He's been seen. Fair enough. But didn't he start for the Rocks? I have to think that doesn't happen if you suck. I don't think anyone expects this dude to come in and be a star. But if he can come in and shoot better than 40% from behind the arc as a role player, I'd say he's just what the doctor ordered for this program.
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Mar 15, 2015 18:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 18:54:25 GMT -5
LaRose is far from obscure he played for the Albany City Rocks premier national Nike sponsored team and has started multiple games at the 2. They play against some of the best AAU talent in major tournaments in the country. He's been seen. Fair enough. But didn't he start for the Rocks? I have to think that doesn't happen if you suck. I don't think anyone expects this dude to come in and be a star. But if he can come in and shoot better than 40% from behind the arc as a role player, I'd say he's just what the doctor ordered for this program. If I recall he started about 60% of the games. So yes I agree he must have some game to get time at that level. I'm hoping I can make it back to the area in time Friday to get another look.
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Post by sienahusker on Mar 15, 2015 19:50:58 GMT -5
I can't answer #1. But question #2: NYS public high schools are organized in 10 sections. None of these sections include NYC. There are 5 classes. AA A B C D. The Double As are by far the largest schools -- Shen, CBA, Guilderland ETC. The As are the next largest Scotia dominates this class now. Kinnon plays in B like Watervliet (made a run recently), Cohoes, etc. Wincowski played in C with lake george. The Ds are the smallest school -- Adonal Foyle came out of a D school though in the 90s. The PSAL is made up of NYC schools. THey also have an AA, A and B. The Catholic schools (CHSAA) have their own group. The remaining few schools not in any of those are in the AIS (Independent). Albany academy usually plays in this group. At the end of the season, each of those four state champions play each other in the federation tournament. Usually the CHSAA, AIS and the PSAL dominate these, but occasionally the public schools win. Thank you for that detailed explanation. Am I to assume that the smaller schools almost always have lesser talent? That seems odd to me based on the fact that who goes to which public school is totally random based on where they happen to live. I find it unlikely that all the division 1 quality players just happen to live in the same school districts. Do we know of any examples of notable division 1 players who came from class B and smaller schools other than Foyle? Adonal Foyle played his HS ball at Hamilton HS of Section III, at the time it was a Class C school. Hamilton is where Colgate University is located and he opted to play for them spurning several higher offers to be close to his legal guardians. I was at a game at Cotteral Court when one of Bob Beyer's players , Andy Thiees(sp) submarined Foyle causing him to fall and hit his head giving him a severe concussion. It almost derailed Foyle's chance at going to the NBA. Our hometown school Norwich High played in class B and won the state class B title 2 yrs in a row. The 6' 10'' center from that team, Bob Lazor went, to Syracuse to play for Boehiem, transferred to Arizona State and played in 3 NCAA tournaments. Lazor was a contemporary to Foyle.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 15, 2015 20:26:40 GMT -5
and how quick you all forget he torched Albany Academy for 30pts this yr in a loss, does that count for something...........I saw that game and he was terrific against higher caliber players than what he faced this weekend.............he will fit a role we need.............does Patsos need to hit a home run with every recruit, no, it's ok to hit doubles & triples as well!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 15, 2015 21:33:36 GMT -5
Thank you for that detailed explanation. Am I to assume that the smaller schools almost always have lesser talent? That seems odd to me based on the fact that who goes to which public school is totally random based on where they happen to live. I find it unlikely that all the division 1 quality players just happen to live in the same school districts. Do we know of any examples of notable division 1 players who came from class B and smaller schools other than Foyle? Adonal Foyle played his HS ball at Hamilton HS of Section III, at the time it was a Class C school. Hamilton is where Colgate University is located and he opted to play for them spurning several higher offers to be close to his legal guardians. I was at a game at Cotteral Court when one of Bob Beyer's players , Andy Thiees(sp) submarined Foyle causing him to fall and hit his head giving him a severe concussion. It almost derailed Foyle's chance at going to the NBA. Our hometown school Norwich High played in class B and won the state class B title 2 yrs in a row. The 6' 10'' center from that team, Bob Lazor went, to Syracuse to play for Boehiem, transferred to Arizona State and played in 3 NCAA tournaments. Lazor was a contemporary to Foyle. That Norwich team had a great guard named Charlie something. Pretty sure he ws left-handed and made like 7 3's in one game at GF. Great team.
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Post by sienahusker on Mar 15, 2015 21:46:23 GMT -5
Adonal Foyle played his HS ball at Hamilton HS of Section III, at the time it was a Class C school. Hamilton is where Colgate University is located and he opted to play for them spurning several higher offers to be close to his legal guardians. I was at a game at Cotteral Court when one of Bob Beyer's players , Andy Thiees(sp) submarined Foyle causing him to fall and hit his head giving him a severe concussion. It almost derailed Foyle's chance at going to the NBA. Our hometown school Norwich High played in class B and won the state class B title 2 yrs in a row. The 6' 10'' center from that team, Bob Lazor went, to Syracuse to play for Boehiem, transferred to Arizona State and played in 3 NCAA tournaments. Lazor was a contemporary to Foyle. That Norwich team had a great guard named Charlie something. Pretty sure he ws left-handed and made like 7 3's in one game at GF. Great team. Charlie Wightman , was a deadeye shooter. He and a team-mate ended up going to SUNY Plattsburg if I remember correctly. HJ did you play baseball at Shaker High?
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