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Post by Tony on Mar 2, 2015 18:27:25 GMT -5
Long didn't look like he had much, if any, confidence at the end of the year. When he plays with confidence he is a top 3 player on this team. My guess is that he spends the off season working with Dan Taylor on his speed/lateral quickness. He better get a right hand, Lavon has been scouted, Teams are overplaying him to the left something fierce.
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Post by MTS on Mar 2, 2015 18:35:27 GMT -5
Long didn't look like he had much, if any, confidence at the end of the year. When he plays with confidence he is a top 3 player on this team. My guess is that he spends the off season working with Dan Taylor on his speed/lateral quickness. He better get a right hand, Lavon has been scouted, Teams are overplaying him to the left something fierce. Agree with that. Would make him so much more effective. Jimmy basically said it and I'm sure Lavon knows what he has to get done this off-season. Don't want to make excuses for the kid but it is pretty obvious he is a shell of himself right now with his injuries. That is the reality of the situation - but he is playing through it and you have to give him credit for at least trying to gut it out. That said - we need him to get better next year.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 2, 2015 18:38:29 GMT -5
Long didn't look like he had much, if any, confidence at the end of the year. When he plays with confidence he is a top 3 player on this team. My guess is that he spends the off season working with Dan Taylor on his speed/lateral quickness. He better get a right hand, Lavon has been scouted, Teams are overplaying him to the left something fierce. You know what will make him get a right hand? A qualified 3 man on the roster. No one on a 10 win team has anything locked up. No one.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Mar 2, 2015 18:41:06 GMT -5
Question...are you guys saying Lavon can't dribble to his right? Or you think he can't shoot with his right hand?
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Post by nolesaint on Mar 2, 2015 18:47:14 GMT -5
Loving the challenge. Off season work will tell the tale. Lavon is better playing with size than being the size. I have said that from day 1 Great attitude and I truly hope it works out for Lavon!
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Post by siena12077 on Mar 2, 2015 19:43:28 GMT -5
He better get a right hand, Lavon has been scouted, Teams are overplaying him to the left something fierce. Agree with that. Would make him so much more effective. Jimmy basically said it and I'm sure Lavon knows what he has to get done this off-season. Don't want to make excuses for the kid but it is pretty obvious he is a shell of himself right now with his injuries. That is the reality of the situation - but he is playing through it and you have to give him credit for at least trying to gut it out. That said - we need him to get better next year. His best games this year came AFTER the injury happened and "lingered." Stop making excuses he regressed and has hurt the team a lot lately with his poor play and fouling. He is going through a bad stretch, and it's not because of a nagging ankle injury.
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Post by siena12077 on Mar 2, 2015 19:45:45 GMT -5
Question...are you guys saying Lavon can't dribble to his right? Or you think he can't shoot with his right hand? He drives right about 3% of the time so I'm guessing dribbling. If he can but chooses not to then it is an awareness and IQ issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:51:58 GMT -5
Lavon has passed up quite a few open jumpers to dribble into double and triple teams. That's either a confidence issue or a brain issue.
The goal, as I understand it, is to get open shots not make them contested.
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 2, 2015 19:53:20 GMT -5
Lavon is in jeopardy of losing his starting spot. He can't keep on like he has been. He's only scored in double digits in 2 of the last 9 games. He's averaged 25 minutes per game and 4.78 fouls per game....and just 6.6 ppg. Add in the turnovers, and a strong case could be made that Oliver should start over him at SF. Lavon hasn't made a 3 pointer since 2/2. You just can't have that kind of production and win...not when your PG is not a shooter. Oliver has averaged 8.1 pts in 24 mpg but also has a positive assist ratio and doesn't foul as much. Neither one of them is lighting it up on defense but Lavon is hurting the team in a lot of ways. If Long can't beat out a tentative Oliver in overall contribution, he should not be a starter in this league. If we have guys like Oliver and LaRose who shoot and aren't going to foul and turn it over plus a contributing Clareth...why should Lavon start? Maybe he's struggling with injuries. But maybe teams just know him and force him into situations. The word is out on him...not just with the refs. He needs to greatly improve his all around game next year. He's struggling as a 3. He's struggling as a 4. Bisping and Silas come back. Fisher is added. He won't need to play the 4 as much. Lavon Long is now in a position where he's fighting to remain a major contributor on this team. Have we forgotten that Long has been playing injured for a good portion of this season? He was never the same after he came back after missing a few games. I find it curious that Poole gets a pass for under-performing this season due to his injuries, yet the same courtesy isn't extended to Long.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 2, 2015 19:56:57 GMT -5
Lavon is in jeopardy of losing his starting spot. He can't keep on like he has been. He's only scored in double digits in 2 of the last 9 games. He's averaged 25 minutes per game and 4.78 fouls per game....and just 6.6 ppg. Add in the turnovers, and a strong case could be made that Oliver should start over him at SF. Lavon hasn't made a 3 pointer since 2/2. You just can't have that kind of production and win...not when your PG is not a shooter. Oliver has averaged 8.1 pts in 24 mpg but also has a positive assist ratio and doesn't foul as much. Neither one of them is lighting it up on defense but Lavon is hurting the team in a lot of ways. If Long can't beat out a tentative Oliver in overall contribution, he should not be a starter in this league. If we have guys like Oliver and LaRose who shoot and aren't going to foul and turn it over plus a contributing Clareth...why should Lavon start? Maybe he's struggling with injuries. But maybe teams just know him and force him into situations. The word is out on him...not just with the refs. He needs to greatly improve his all around game next year. He's struggling as a 3. He's struggling as a 4. Bisping and Silas come back. Fisher is added. He won't need to play the 4 as much. Lavon Long is now in a position where he's fighting to remain a major contributor on this team. Have we forgotten that Long has been playing injured for a good portion of this season? He was never the same after he came back after missing a few games. I find it curious that Poole gets a pass for under-performing this season due to his injuries, yet the same courtesy isn't extended to Long. Bullshit I said it before and I'll say it again you don't play an injured player 34 min in a game that means zip. Long has been moving just fine. Long's problem is that he has been playing with his head up his butt. He's had a horrible last 1/4 of the season. I don't buy that injury BS for a second. Lavon's biggest issue is that JP has him at the wing spot he's too slow laterally, has no right hand and lacks a perimeter game and he can't guard faster guards ( which leads to fouls). The kid looks like he needs a break from basketball.
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Post by musicman on Mar 2, 2015 20:00:46 GMT -5
Lavon has passed up quite a few open jumpers to dribble into double and triple teams. That's either a confidence issue or a brain issue. The goal, as I understand it, is to get open shots not make them contested. I love the kid but I have to agree with these comments. He's not making good decisions. I think some of it is like Evan. They both want to make something happen so badly that they end up making bad choices.
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Post by Tony on Mar 2, 2015 20:02:18 GMT -5
Cant address why Long was playing 34 min a game-- I do however sit fairly close to the floor and I can attest 100% Lavon has not been playing healthy for quite some time. Not making excuses for Lavon, because I do think he needs to improve his game- but if you think lavon was anywhere near 100% the last 6 weeks you either dont go to games ( or sit in nose bleed sections) or dont know basketball
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 2, 2015 20:06:36 GMT -5
Cant address why Long was playing 34 min a game-- I do however sit fairly close to the floor and I can attest 100% Lavon has not been playing healthy for quite some time. Not making excuses for Lavon, because I do think he needs to improve his game- but if you think lavon was anywhere near 100% the last 6 weeks you either dont go to games ( or sit in nose bleed sections) or dont know basketball Don't give me the old you don't know the game BS Tony .... you don't play a guy for 34 min in a shit game if he's hurting. You can't address it cuz it makes no sense ... If he's hurting you rest him like Poole Sure he's probably dinged up a bit but what player isn't at this time of yr
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Post by Papi on Mar 2, 2015 20:08:51 GMT -5
The past two games have been beyond awful. Sorry 2 points and 3 rebounds in 34 minutes is not getting it done and he put up a bagel in the Q game. Let someone else get the minutes if he can't get his head out of his ass. The fouls are becoming comical.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:12:11 GMT -5
Lavon is in jeopardy of losing his starting spot. He can't keep on like he has been. He's only scored in double digits in 2 of the last 9 games. He's averaged 25 minutes per game and 4.78 fouls per game....and just 6.6 ppg. Add in the turnovers, and a strong case could be made that Oliver should start over him at SF. Lavon hasn't made a 3 pointer since 2/2. You just can't have that kind of production and win...not when your PG is not a shooter. Oliver has averaged 8.1 pts in 24 mpg but also has a positive assist ratio and doesn't foul as much. Neither one of them is lighting it up on defense but Lavon is hurting the team in a lot of ways. If Long can't beat out a tentative Oliver in overall contribution, he should not be a starter in this league. If we have guys like Oliver and LaRose who shoot and aren't going to foul and turn it over plus a contributing Clareth...why should Lavon start? Maybe he's struggling with injuries. But maybe teams just know him and force him into situations. The word is out on him...not just with the refs. He needs to greatly improve his all around game next year. He's struggling as a 3. He's struggling as a 4. Bisping and Silas come back. Fisher is added. He won't need to play the 4 as much. Lavon Long is now in a position where he's fighting to remain a major contributor on this team. Have we forgotten that Long has been playing injured for a good portion of this season? He was never the same after he came back after missing a few games I find it curious that Poole gets a pass for under-performing this season due to his injuries, yet the same courtesy isn't extended to Long. Injuries don't explain bad decisions. His numbers are very similar to last year when he was healthy. Lavon is a good player but his game has big weaknesses. Defense, decision making, and speed. And he's not nearly as good of a rebounder as you'd think he should be with his build. The scout on him from day 1 on the MAAC board was that even in the PPC 'Lavon never can do wrong' highlights there was rarely highlights of him going left. This is not new. He crosses over and tries to go left. That's his thing. He may be able to go right a little but not nearly as well. Teams know this. If he didn't foul every 2 secs, and defended better you could almost live with his other weaknesses. But he does. Then you have to start to weigh the whole picture here. Remember, there is a very good chance that Lavon is the all time NCAA single season foul record holder. We know he is by far over the last 10 years or so that we have data...and in the past there were less games. This team just can NOT afford to continue to give up those extra 6+ FTAs per game over the league average. I mean that's just ridiculous in a down year. If you're blocking shots, defending the interior well, and rebounding at a good rate and you're fouling...then fine. That's the price of playing tough interior D. But Lavon, by the numbers, is not doing any of that particularly well. So then, also, why does a SF need to foul 6.2 times every 40 minutes? Why? He plays undisciplined, struggles laterally, and tries to muscle the game. This cannot continue. This was the same story last year. It's just that Bisping and Silas did things that protected the interior so it wasn't as noticeable.
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