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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 11:36:17 GMT -5
ok KK safely say we all agree. Real question is why the MAAC id down. Is it the coaching, recruiting or just cyclical as college hoops tends to be. Generally MAAC plays the style of ball kids want to play. AE on the other hand is more slowdown grind it out, nothing wrong with it just a different style. How many coach's in the MAAC are on the hot seat? Fairfield? Lot's of rebuilding in the MAAC, Clueless just seem to be able to reload. Comments folks It's part coaching, part recruiting. Like Siena, the MAAC other than Iona, is just not recruiting well. Iona is recruiting way above everyone. You see it in the athleticism and ball skills of their players...even before you see it in the standings. Other teams are finding kids with skills or who are athletes but not those with both. Manhattan, at the top of their game, failed to recruit well. Masiello pissed off people and then Sydney'd/Mitch'd himself with too many bigs. Coaches in this league just haven't been smart with their roster decisions. Cluess and Grasso know exactly what they're doing. Sometimes I wonder if anyone else does.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 26, 2015 19:20:05 GMT -5
MMs that recruit transfers and JUCO players are the ones that win the most games each season. Until the HS grads become upperclassmen and are able to compete
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Post by slim on Feb 26, 2015 19:36:57 GMT -5
MMs that recruit transfers and JUCO players are the ones that win the most games each season. Until the HS grads become upperclassmen and are able to compete That's not true. There's plenty of mid major that only take hs kids in win games. It's about recruiting in development.
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Post by olddave on Feb 26, 2015 19:59:53 GMT -5
PPC has a point especially regarding the JUCO transfers. Role players coming in transferring such as Duel was lucky for Siena. Have we ever determined what JP meant about Singletary. Slim you have an excellent point, though those programs that do are usually the perennial powers that are not rebuilding.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 26, 2015 20:22:34 GMT -5
Just remember that these perrennial "powers" in the maac still have not won a game in the NCAA tournament. Not one game.
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Post by drumfish on Feb 27, 2015 9:02:34 GMT -5
Just remember that these perrennial "powers" in the maac still have not won a game in the NCAA tournament. Not one game. We're really getting a lot of mileage out of that NCAA win. Meanwhile, while we rebuild, recruit, rebuild, we have a D 1 school across town that has become a frequent NCAA participant. Here's hoping Jimmy can pull it all together in the tournament.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 27, 2015 9:57:36 GMT -5
Just remember that these perrennial "powers" in the maac still have not won a game in the NCAA tournament. Not one game. We're really getting a lot of mileage out of that NCAA win. Meanwhile, while we rebuild, recruit, rebuild, we have a D 1 school across town that has become a frequent NCAA participant. Here's hoping Jimmy can pull it all together in the tournament. Which one are you referring to? I count multiple. College hoops is undoubtedly a "what have you done for me lately" sport, and I agree that Siena shouldn't be hanging its hat on teams that were here 5, 10, 25 years ago. No one is satisfied with that. It's time to make new history.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 27, 2015 10:21:08 GMT -5
MMs that recruit transfers and JUCO players are the ones that win the most games each season. Until the HS grads become upperclassmen and are able to compete That's not true. There's plenty of mid major that only take hs kids in win games. It's about recruiting in development. exactly... and some coaches just don't seem to have a grasp of recruiting the talents for their system or for the holes they have in their current roster. Mitch and Patsos both have said Siena would run... Mitch most certainly didn't recruit to run. Then you look at Patsos... and as Ive said before, his hands were tied in recruiting and I believe so for both of the first two classes. You look at this year and the recruiting has addressed (on paper) with pinpoint accuracy, the deficiencies of this team. Lets see how it all plays out now. If we see ANOTHER strong class next year then I truly believe it proves my point on his hands being tied thus far. Anthony Lamb is looking good for next year and one wonders if there wasn't something to Patsos heading out to Rochester earlier this week. Lamb reminds me a LOT of Alex Franklin when he came to Siena. Kind of a Franklin/Haddix hybrid when both arrived at Siena. Kid is a Junior and plays VERY strong not QUITE as as explosive as Alex but then again... kid is a Junior and a TON of up-side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 10:40:24 GMT -5
That's not true. There's plenty of mid major that only take hs kids in win games. It's about recruiting in development. exactly... and some coaches just don't seem to have a grasp of recruiting the talents for their system or for the holes they have in their current roster. Mitch and Patsos both have said Siena would run... Mitch most certainly didn't recruit to run. Then you look at Patsos... and as Ive said before, his hands were tied in recruiting and I believe so for both of the first two classes. You look at this year and the recruiting has addressed (on paper) with pinpoint accuracy, the deficiencies of this team. Lets see how it all plays out now. If we see ANOTHER strong class next year then I truly believe it proves my point on his hands being tied thus far. Anthony Lamb is looking good for next year and one wonders if there wasn't something to Patsos heading out to Rochester earlier this week. Lamb reminds me a LOT of Alex Franklin when he came to Siena. Kind of a Franklin/Haddix hybrid when both arrived at Siena. Kid is a Junior and plays VERY strong not QUITE as as explosive as Alex but then again... kid is a Junior and a TON of up-side. Talent is talent but does Siena need another undersized PF? Seems to me that the role of shot blocking center will be open after next year. After this year, you'd think that just maybe some value would be put on that. Especially when you already have a ton of face up 4s. This team can't afford go guard poor..carrying 6 post players not including Lavon or Paige or White in 2016-2017 seems kind of risky no? Something needs to give in order to get this guy. We'd all love to have another Franklin but still need to watch the roster.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 27, 2015 11:05:04 GMT -5
MMs that recruit transfers and JUCO players are the ones that win the most games each season. Until the HS grads become upperclassmen and are able to compete That's not true. There's plenty of mid major that only take hs kids in win games. It's about recruiting in development. The best MM's have a combination of both. Iona may be perceived as just a Juco pit stop, but they have AJ and Casmir who are HS kids, and they're best player the last 5 years (Machado) was also a HS kid. They do a great job of getting both types to fill needs. Cluess has one major criteria. You need to be a prolific scorer to be a main piece of his program. He'll fill in the gaps with servicable guys that do the dirty work, but he always seems to have 4 legit scorers on the floor at all times. They are very good at spacing out offensively and usually end up with a great look, for these scorers/shooters.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 27, 2015 11:07:21 GMT -5
exactly... and some coaches just don't seem to have a grasp of recruiting the talents for their system or for the holes they have in their current roster. Mitch and Patsos both have said Siena would run... Mitch most certainly didn't recruit to run. Then you look at Patsos... and as Ive said before, his hands were tied in recruiting and I believe so for both of the first two classes. You look at this year and the recruiting has addressed (on paper) with pinpoint accuracy, the deficiencies of this team. Lets see how it all plays out now. If we see ANOTHER strong class next year then I truly believe it proves my point on his hands being tied thus far. Anthony Lamb is looking good for next year and one wonders if there wasn't something to Patsos heading out to Rochester earlier this week. Lamb reminds me a LOT of Alex Franklin when he came to Siena. Kind of a Franklin/Haddix hybrid when both arrived at Siena. Kid is a Junior and plays VERY strong not QUITE as as explosive as Alex but then again... kid is a Junior and a TON of up-side. Talent is talent but does Siena need another undersized PF? Seems to me that the role of shot blocking center will be open after next year. After this year, you'd think that just maybe some value would be put on that. Especially when you already have a ton of face up 4s. This team can't afford go guard poor..carrying 6 post players not including Lavon or Paige or White in 2016-2017 seems kind of risky no? Something needs to give in order to get this guy. We'd all love to have another Franklin but still need to watch the roster. Lamb and a shotblocker will be replacing Silas and Oliver. Remember, this is all contingent on us not being done this year. Look for another scoring guard-transfer to round out the '15-'16 roster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 11:09:53 GMT -5
Talent is talent but does Siena need another undersized PF? Seems to me that the role of shot blocking center will be open after next year. After this year, you'd think that just maybe some value would be put on that. Especially when you already have a ton of face up 4s. This team can't afford go guard poor..carrying 6 post players not including Lavon or Paige or White in 2016-2017 seems kind of risky no? Something needs to give in order to get this guy. We'd all love to have another Franklin but still need to watch the roster. Lamb and a shotblocker will be replacing Silas and Oliver. Remember, this is all contingent on us not being done this year. Look for another scoring guard-transfer to round out the '15-'16 roster. Why are you so certain on this transfer? Do you have a name?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 27, 2015 11:59:55 GMT -5
Lamb and a shotblocker will be replacing Silas and Oliver. Remember, this is all contingent on us not being done this year. Look for another scoring guard-transfer to round out the '15-'16 roster. Why are you so certain on this transfer? Do you have a name? I have a crystal ball
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Post by mrsiena on Feb 27, 2015 12:05:05 GMT -5
I sat behind Lamb out at the Canisius game. Alex claimed to be 6'6". My traveling friend is 6'4.5" and Alex wasn't bigger than him. Alex was muscular. Lamb is no bigger than 6'2" and not a wide body.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 27, 2015 12:20:02 GMT -5
Mr. Siena is correct.
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