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Post by tcbaseball on Dec 13, 2014 13:17:29 GMT -5
SHUT IT DOWN!
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Post by DelmartianEd on Dec 13, 2014 13:48:32 GMT -5
Try to keep it, but not with *too* many concessions. The date getting bounced around is mostly the MAAC's fault. Brown is a dick, but the ADs will decide the new contract. I know a lot of Siena fans and alums who aren't season ticket holders but are coming out tonight. The Albany Cup is the region's most important human sporting event.
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Post by ezrider on Dec 13, 2014 13:58:27 GMT -5
Actually, I understand the politics of the situation pretty well. As you stated, 'most of the state guys were once local guys'. Very few of the state guys (Senate/Assembly) have any connection this area of the state. The downstate & western tier pols (really any outside of Albany County) could care less about about the Siena/UAlbany game, certainly don't care enough to pressure UAlbany to except TERMS of a game most of them don't even know exists. I doubt there is a lot of interest from the governor's office to get involved either. There is enough 'politics' involved in funding the SUNY system, no politician is in position, or has any incentive to bring any pressure to bear on UAlbany regarding a basketball game that no one outside of the capital region cares about. So where is the political pressure on UAlbany going to come from? If you believe the Albany politicians have bigger fish to fry than to pressure Siena, then why do you think the 'state guys' give a rat's a##? I actually dont think either way-- you were the one bringing up Siena could be "pressured" I just correctly stated its much easier to pressure UA than Siena. Not only for political reasons, but the City of Albany and county legislate would be more in line with Siena's way of thinking of keeping the game downtown every year instead of every other year- so if any pressure is brought to bear- easy to see it would be SUNY getting the pressure not Siena Regardless of who bought it, you did feel a particular way. I put forth a scenario where Albany city/county officials pressure Siena to accept unfavorable trends to appease UAlbany... a very plausible scenario. You stated I don't understand the politics involved, implying that you do understand the politics involved. You stated that UAlbany was suceptable to state political pressure, and I explained to you why I believed you were wrong. You agree with my scenario that city/county officials may apply pressure to keep the game downtown every year,but you are mistaken about the target of the potential pressure. UAlbany knows the game will never be played at SEFCU, so they are using it as a negotiating tactic to achieve their desired goal of having a home game at the TUC ALTERNATING years, so they don't need to be pressured into accepting the scenario I put forth. SIENA, however, does not want to alternate home games at the TUC, therefore they are the party that would need to be pressured into accepting the terms of ALTERNATING home games at the TUC. BTW, you are certainly free to disagree with my thoughts on the subject, but I sensed a rudeness to your response, that I don't feel was warrented.
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Post by Tony on Dec 13, 2014 14:47:41 GMT -5
I stated you didn't understand politics involved because you basic premise is completely wrong, you have it backwards. Personally I think very little if any pressure other than a "try and get it done" from county officials will be forthcoming, but if any pressure did occur it would be on UA
1)Because they are the one backing out of current deal. 2)Local officials would want the game downtown every year ( Siena's position) 3)Albany is more easily politically influenced than Siena.
Not sure what part of that you dont understand. Hope that helps
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 13, 2014 15:38:56 GMT -5
BTW, any Siena fan claiming it's UAs superbowl while your school is all over twitter pimping #beatalbany and selling beat Albany t-shirts is a complete and utter imbecile... I am a Siena fan and yes it's your Super Bowl!
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Post by clickclack on Dec 14, 2014 9:31:13 GMT -5
blog.timesunion.com/collegesports/ualbany-siena-is-it-over/19035/1 - Siena has 3090 season ticket holders and not 4k so it will be easier to accommodate the 25-30% of your fans. Next time, lets not bs on the numbers. 2 - Siena has paid UA $18k per game, that's it, that's right...$18k. So this nonsense that we make a nice amount is a complete joke. We can make more than that on our own home court. 3 - UA is given 750 shitty in the corner tickets...another lie from this board about what UA gets. It's all right there. This game has to change significantly or it will die. No more lies, these are the facts per the TU. So you sell the other 9k+ tickets...lets see who misses this game more. Cancel it, you'll be back in two years begging for this game back.
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Post by Tony on Dec 14, 2014 9:35:54 GMT -5
blog.timesunion.com/collegesports/ualbany-siena-is-it-over/19035/1 - Siena has 3090 season ticket holders and not 4k so it will be easier to accommodate the 25-30% of your fans. Next time, lets not bs on the numbers. 2 - Siena has paid UA $18k per game, that's it, that's right...$18k. So this nonsense that we make a nice amount is a complete joke. We can make more than that on our own home court. 3 - UA is given 750 shitty in the corner tickets...another lie from this board about what UA gets. It's all right there. This game has to change significantly or it will die. No more lies, these are the facts per the TU. a few things..knock off the BS on numbers I've heard several numbers and even you have said different numbers- so dont come here talking shit.. I dont think anyone purposefully bullshitted on numbers Albany only sold 700 tickets so who the hell are you to demand anything from Siena season ticket holders-- take you effing team and go in road for guarantee game--I dont care but dont come to this board demanding anything
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Post by gorvy on Dec 14, 2014 9:36:31 GMT -5
I always thought it was 3,000, not 4,000. Then again, with the TU, it could be 3,900 instead of 3,090 lol.
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Post by Tony on Dec 14, 2014 9:39:43 GMT -5
I always thought it was 3,000, not 4,000. Then again, with the TU, it could be 3,900 instead of 3,090 lol. I heard 3400
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Post by SIENA1971 on Dec 14, 2014 10:49:29 GMT -5
It may have just been my vantage point but it looked like the number of Albany fans was down a fair amount from previous years
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Post by Tony on Dec 14, 2014 11:02:19 GMT -5
It may have just been my vantage point but it looked like the number of Albany fans was down a fair amount from previous years agreed-- UA just doesn't draw fans, for some reasons there fans think they should cash in on Siena's abilty to draw fans..I must admit if the numbers Wilken said are correct ( a big if) then UA deserves a bigger cut, but any ridicules demands just drop the series, SUNY has to know its place, they draw flies, let them go back to playing in sefcu in front of 1200 fans
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Post by olddave on Dec 14, 2014 12:27:41 GMT -5
before everyone goes bonkers what are the true #'s. Click what is the real # for avg ticket price at sefcu. If UA didn't sell all their allotted tickets than don't complain. Should they perhaps some options on better seating yes. Do I believe UA makes 18K a game, not in this lifetime, not even sold out. Perhaps if they got Siena in they could adjust ticket prices but would need to do that form everyone. Do UA students pay to get into the games?
As far a political pressure. How many games played at TUC. For 1 game someo2n is going to jeopardize the balance? Of course with the Albany politicians one never knows. But very unlikely.
JP at the press conference put #'s out that I was frankly surprised at. 18-20k, not bad could be upped. UA not selling all the tickets allotted. That is Brown's fault for the game date. UA says they care about the students but do they? IMO the AD and BROWN should not push the agenda to hard or else the people who really run the Univ may start taking a closer look at the athletics, which I think are fine, but are they coinciding with the schools mission statement.
What dis JP mean when he said Siena could not get Singletary?
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Post by bigd on Dec 15, 2014 18:45:02 GMT -5
I know this issue has been discussed at length, but here is another view from a UA perspective. Let's start with the premise that the game is good for the area, good for both teams and should be continued if reasonable minds sit down to work out a solution. There are two equitable ways to continue this game. The first is to have a traditional home and home series the way it is done with most non-conference rivalries. One year at Siena’s home venue (TUC) with Siena keeping all the revenue. The next year at UA’s home venue (SEFCU) with UA keeping all the revenue. Those Siena fans who have suddenly become advocates for the “community interest” in having as many people as possible attend the game, be honest with yourselves…you’re not using this line of argument because you care about the community, but rather as a pretext for not yielding on the current arrangement.
There is precedent for a home and home arrangement. Providence College and URI have a longstanding home and home series, even though an extra 5000 get to see the game when it is in Providence(12,500 vs. 7500). Boston College and Harvard have been playing home and home (9000 seats at BC vs. 2100 seats at Harvard).
The other option is to have the teams alternate as the home team at the TUC. That’s the way Providence and URI used to do it in the 80s-90s. That’s the way Villanova, Penn and St. Joe’s used to do it (using the Palestra as the venue).
Any other proposal is based on a false narrative…that Siena and UAlbany are not competitive equals. That narrative was true 10 or 15 years ago but no longer. Losing 4 of the last 5 years should make this clear to even the most delusion Siena fan.
I personally prefer the traditional home and home arrangement, and think alternating sites would add energy and interest to the game. The rivalry is fun and the game gives the area sports fan something to look forward to each year. Siena would still get the 10K plus crowd every other year (without having to take a haircut on the revenue) and Siena can ytry to schedule another good non-conference home game on the years the game is played at SEFCU. If the series is cancelled, both sides lose, but it should notcontinue on the current terms.
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Post by glen on Dec 15, 2014 20:02:51 GMT -5
BigD - here's another idea... when we play in our place there's enough capacity that all your fans can come - no shutouts. Since your gym can't accommodate that for us I think at least 25% of the tix (if not 50%) should be carved out for Siena fans. Your season holders can keep their sites, we'll take the ends, etc.
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Post by olddave on Dec 15, 2014 20:06:03 GMT -5
I listened to Brown on Wyland today and will not comment til I hear JP on Tuesday.
I heard UA received 20k and some 2300 seats, yes did not sell them all. Ridiculous scenario let UA host the game at SEFCU. Same numbers apply to Siena 2300 seats and 20k. Money loser for UA again ridiculous, but if Siena does go to SEFCU what will the guarantee be. It would be high enough to be a loser for UA, couldn't open their doors. Now you can do it for a big team coming in because you have been paid well 2-3x to go to their venue to loose. That is fact, what all teams do. Just look up Browns comments on his trip last year visiting Pitt. His words nice payday. Always said be careful what you ask for.
Have found the cool aid drinkers of each team, especially on the TU site do not like to face facts.
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